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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/29 15:51:01
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hey All, I have played fantasy for a while but I am looking to get into 40k. I have never played apart from a few AoBR games but I have done some research on the game.
I am thinking of IG because I really like the whole concept of the "weaker" race with inferior technology against all these other high tech alien scum.
The list I am thinking on is supposed to be competitive, and hopefully fun to play?
CCS: Plasmax4 Chimera: 165
PCS: LC Plasmax2
IS LC Plasma
IS AC Plasma
IS AC Plasma
315
Vets Plasmax3 Chimera 170
Vets Plasmax3 Chimera 170
Vets Meltax3 Chimera 155
Vendetta w/ HBx2 150
Vendetta w/ HBx2 150
Vetsw/ Flamersx3 85
Lemun Russ Vanquisher w/ LC 170
Manticore
Manticore
Total: 1850
Game Plan: Castle up Vanquisher and Manticores with the Blob to defend.. (If I keep the blob on the side of my tanks, does that block the side armor, or can people just shoot over the infantry?
Slowly move up Chimeras to try to hold center and delay people from getting to the tanks. Disembark and Sacrifice chimeras to hopefully get off more shots (don't know if this works well or not)
Vendettas to take out other flyers (I heard they are good at that?) The Vets with flamers were an after thought..have 85 extra points and they fit the bill. But they can hopefully objective clear?
Let me know what you think!
Oh, and I am considering using DKoK models. But for Vets, PCS and CCS only. For the IS I want to use the shooters from DV (Only the ones with respirators or hoods, which is surprisingly a good amount) to soften the $$ blow. I would remove all chaos icons but they will still probably have a chaosy feel. Do you think people would be okay with this? (I have the DV models already, so I am going to paint them up and see how I like it first)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/29 17:58:09
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Flamer vets are great for clearing objectives, they become even better when you give them demolitions and they just put a large amount of wounds on any troops holding the objective.
As for the bubble wrapping your opponent can shoot through your guys as long as he can see the tank and since its bigger than the infantry he can obviously see it BUT vehicles only get cover if 25% of them is blocked in some way. So if 25% of the vehicle is blocked from the infantry then the vehicle will get the cover save. which firing through intervening models is a 5+
The list is pretty nice and I would say its pretty solid. The platoon gives you a force to sit back and bubble wrap the artillery and tanks. The chimeras push for mid field or even further to get to the opponents objectives. The flamer vets then add a squad to clear last turn objectives and or grab line breaker.
Lastly the vendettas cover the air or hunt the armor on the ground.
I would say a pretty solid army
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 15:25:06
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thank you so much for the feeback!
Are Plasmas on infantry squads and PCS worth it if they will most likely be hanging back? Or would a heavy weapon team with autocannons be better in that place since they have better range any all
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 15:28:59
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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i'm not denying its a reasonable list but have you considered as a 40k newb to start with lower point level lists for learning the games basics? 500 - 750 - 1000pt levels can all be fun and develop your gaming before the jump up?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 15:54:51
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Plasmaguns are not worth the points on normal infantry Squads due to their low BS. I would just give them each an Autocannon, and maybe each a Flamer to discourage assaults.
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"A wizard who reads a thousand books is powerful. A wizard who memorizes a thousand books is insane." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 16:16:14
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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I would free up some points by getting rid of the plasma in the infantry squads. Put a flamer in there place. I think you have the points on the vendetta off by ten points, but, I cant be for sure, as, i dont have codex in front of me. Use the extra points and add demolitions to the vet squad with flamers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 17:24:22
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I agree that getting all 1850 points at once is probably unreasonable, I am just trying to get a general list to work towards. I think the first 500 points I am planning on getting is : Vet Squad with 3 meltas in a chimera and a PCS with 4 Flamers and a Power Weapon, 2 IS 1 with LC and 1 with AC, a Heavy Weapon Squad with 3 AC and a Lord Commissar with a Power Weapon.
And I believe it says you can take a pair of sponsons armed with heavy bolters..xx points per model..So I thought it meant you had to take two models of it since it was a pair
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 21:40:01
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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So I play tested your list against necrons. This was the guys like 3rd time playing crons and your list held up decently but it still was basically a losing battle the whole game.
I would drop the heavy bolter sponsons on the vendettas, they were useless.
The Vanq did so poor it wasnt even funny. It hit once the entire game which it failed to pen the monolith. Statistics say it will hit 50% of the time but it lived all the way until turn 5 when it died and only hit once. I was pretty pissed and I honestly would have rather had a standard russ in its place. Or a third manticore.
The platoon kinda did its job in the back but obyron and some lych guard teleported across the map and all the guys basically died.
Annihilation barges pretty much destroyed the chimeras before they could make it half way across the field. I should have spaced them out more.
In the end I think if your going artillery stick to it, if your going russes then go all russes. I would almost recommend that if you are running a vanq then pask should be in it. I typically always have him in mine and using a vanq with just a lascannon seemed too poor. My standard loadout is Vanq-pask, LC/PC sponsons sometimes I will just use MM sponsons instead for more anti tank.
The plasma guns werent terrible on the PIS's but melta guns probably would have served better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 04:28:50
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Fresh-Faced New User
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So I play tested your list against necrons. This was the guys like 3rd time playing crons and your list held up decently but it still was basically a losing battle the whole game.
I would drop the heavy bolter sponsons on the vendettas, they were useless.
The Vanq did so poor it wasnt even funny. It hit once the entire game which it failed to pen the monolith. Statistics say it will hit 50% of the time but it lived all the way until turn 5 when it died and only hit once. I was pretty pissed and I honestly would have rather had a standard russ in its place. Or a third manticore.
The platoon kinda did its job in the back but obyron and some lych guard teleported across the map and all the guys basically died.
Annihilation barges pretty much destroyed the chimeras before they could make it half way across the field. I should have spaced them out more.
In the end I think if your going artillery stick to it, if your going russes then go all russes. I would almost recommend that if you are running a vanq then pask should be in it. I typically always have him in mine and using a vanq with just a lascannon seemed too poor. My standard loadout is Vanq-pask, LC/PC sponsons sometimes I will just use MM sponsons instead for more anti tank.
The plasma guns werent terrible on the PIS's but melta guns probably would have served better.
Wow. That has to be the coolest thing I have ever heard and makes me so happy/grateful that I started posting on this site!
I am bummed the list didn't do too well. I guess I can see the point on why it didn't though. I will try to alter the list based on your suggestions though, I have been slowly working on a test DV cultist turned DKOK model
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 07:42:56
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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i wouldnt judge the failing vanq down to its load out - its still very cost effective at what it does and i would blame the dice gods on its poor performance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 08:05:38
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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I run a list similar to yours, but different enough too. I'm not a big fan of infantry squads, but, others like them and they do work.
I'm not sold on the vanquisher. I'm a bigger fan of the exterminator with lascannon and heavy bolter sponsons, alot of dakka for 185 points. Keep the heavy bolters on the vendettas, unless you really need to free up some points. I keep them there more for a weapon destroyed result, but, they have had their use.
Playing necrons with IG, you have to keep out of their weapon range. So, movement (6) + range of weapons (24 inches most) = 30 inches. Stay 31 inches away. You can premessure now, so, do so. Most weapons the IG have have a good range. Nothing wrong with a tactical movement to the rear (retreat).
Manticores are nice, I use them, however, the ap4 is not great against most armies. It is however, great against armor. I have seen others and myself use them to off Landraiders and other high armor vehicles with ease. Something you might want to think about when you look at the vanquisher.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 14:14:20
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper
Greece
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Not a bad list,but there are some things that can make it a lot better;like others said before me,PG/MG/LC arent good on basic guardsmen because of their low BS.Also,the Vanquisher is a pretty meh tank with its BS of 3;its only worth taking if you know you ll be fighting against a lot of AV 13/14 tanks,and even then you ll need Pask to make it count,making it a very obvious target for your opponents.In addition,running only one HQ at 1850,and that HQ being an IG HQ that is going to roll forward is a guaranteed Slay the Warlord point for your opponents.Finally,you want to castle up your blob and your artillery/tanks and you dont have an ADL nor a commissar to keep the low morale guardsmen in check?Not gonna work well imo.
How about this?
CCS:4x PG,Chimera,Astropath - 195
LC - 70
PCS:4x Flamers - 50
ISx3:3x Flamers,3x AC - 195
Vets:3x PG,Chimera - 170
Vets:3x PG,Chimera - 170
Vets:3x MG,Chimera - 155
Vendetta - 130
Vendetta - 130
Manticore - 160
Manticore - 160
ADL - 50
Total: 1635
LC is there to to keep your blob in the field conferring them Stubborn and LD 10 and be your Warlord,denying an easy StW to your opponents by hiding in a sea of LoS from the thirty disposable wretches that form your blob behind the ADL,who also bubble wrap your vehicles and hold your home objectives;the only thing that should worry you is mass artillery or mass cover ignoring fire pouring on them,but if that happens,your chimeras and tanks are given free reign to do their thing;oh,and Drakes of course,but they wont live much with 2 vendettas in unless they are spammed or extremely lucky,and you can always avoid all that by positioning your ADL close to a building and hide the LC inside it.PCS with flamers is there to either flame a DS unit to death(kinda),or deploy in front of the blob to hopefully take the charge or force the enemy unit to shot them instead of the blob;alternatively,you can put them in a Vendetta and drop them to an enemy objective.Flamers and AC work well on blobs because the former are good assault deterrents with their 3D3 hits and the latter will get on a average 3 s7 ap 4 shots instead of 1,5 s9 ap 2 shot from LC,and are cheaper to boot.
This is a pretty solid core for an army imo,and it leaves you 215 points to use as you please to fill in the gaps.
You feel you need more AT since you are going up against multiple vehicles?2 5 man squads of ST with 2x MG each are 210 points,or a Vanquisher with Pask and hull LC are 220.
Need AA protection because your opponents are dicks and play flying circuses?Well,say hello to a pair of squadron Hydras plus Quad gun on ADL manned by the LC for 200 points.
You want to go airborne on their objectives and have to fill the flyers?Get a vet squad with flamers and maybe demo doctrine plus whatever else you like to fill in the rest of the points,or get 2 SWS in them with a combination of flamers/demo charges as you wish and combine them with Marbo for maximum str 8 ap 2 large blast hilariousness.
MCs still being an issue despite all the PG and LCs?Get yourself a Punisher with HB sponsons or an Exterminator with HB sponsons and make them look like a slice of Swiss cheese.
I could go on,but i guess you get what i mean.Filling the rest of the points should depend on what you want and what you are going to be facing on your local meta.so its all up to you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 15:01:05
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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badgermeister wrote:i wouldnt judge the failing vanq down to its load out - its still very cost effective at what it does and i would blame the dice gods on its poor performance.
Oh yes Im not saying the vanq was bad but it was all in the dice rolls. It isnt the first time thats happened to me with a vanq with a lascannon but you get the idea. In my opinion I think a third manticore may be better if he keeps the same list.
But I do like the idea of the LC as the hq. I just feel like once all those squads are blobbed together they may get tied up and have the LC challenged out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 15:28:04
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper
Greece
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tankboy145 wrote:
Βut I do like the idea of the LC as the hq. I just feel like once all those squads are blobbed together they may get tied up and have the LC challenged out.
Let them challenge him.You have 3 sergeants to step to the meat grinder instead of him,bogging down that (probably) decked up assault unit for 3 rounds,plus one they lose after they deep strike/teleport/infiltrate etc etc.Hell,it is worth it to spend 40 points and get 4 power axes for your sergeants and LC;unless we are talking about MC with more than 4 wounds and absurd toughness,you should put a dent on anything else with a bit of luck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 15:50:03
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Hi, I'll just interject my opinion here... lol. Bolters on the Vendettas are good. it's cheep and if you run into a troop heavy list, it's nice to put out the extra dice.
Plasma guns on infantry are worthless. they don't hit when you need them too and often blow up and kill the shooter. you don't want to be killing your own guys, let your opponent do that lol.
I LOVE the vanquisher, but you need to take pask with it for it's ballistic skill. if you want to run DKoK look into purchasing Imperial Armor Vol 12. the DKoK Assault Brigade has amazing options. Like a Forward observation Russ (a Standard russ with BS4 for 35 pts more (15 pts cheaper than pask.) and you can use it to spot for different ordinance tanks. (Oh and you can take 3 of them!) that's right 3. lol Imagine a Punisher cannon with 3 TL HB's shooting 29 S5 shots at BS4 *Giggles*
If your going to take IS's, a ADL is a MUST. your troops (And Tanks) will get a 4+ Cover behind it (Vastly improving your life span) and a 2+ when they go to ground. Nothing pisses off an opponent when they shoot at your squishy guardsmen and they don't die. This is the voice of experience.
I would also change your Vets in Chimeras from PG to MG. you save a few points and lets be honest, you want them for tank busting. and they hurt infantry just as bad. What's that mr Space Marine Captain? You just got insta gibbed cause it's Strength 8? That's right suck it. lol works wonders for Nids too. Pesky Zoanthrops got you down? One unsaved wound from a melta gun and there toast. can't do that with PG's. Just my two cents on that one.
Oh, on your Blobs, take AC's. leave the LC for the Vendettas. AC hurt heavy troops as well as light armor. I usually run two IS and one or two HWT with AC's. you get more bang for your buck with orders. Bring it Down and you get 6-TL S7 shots. with guard, it's about torrent of fire, not necessarily how many high AP shots you get. roll enough dice, he's going to roll 1's eventually. lol
Anywho Hope that helps as one DKoK player to another. :-D Semper Fi!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/01 15:28:44
Subject: Re:First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hey guys,
Been a little busy the past day or so with halloween, but I am going to try to get out an updated list based on everyone's suggestions later today. I had a quick question on lore though. If I have a DKoK themed army, and I ended up getting an Elysian drop troop (with respirators of course!) to be my Vendetta Vets, would that be lore friendly that DKoK and Elysian troops would work together?
Thanks again everyone
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/03 01:47:01
Subject: First 40k List: 1850 IG
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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It's not to say that they wouldn't work together. More over that most Guard regiments don't like working with DKoK due to their meat grinder tactics and total empathy for the lives they waste. it's simply a numbers game for them and they will win through shier weight of numbers.
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