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 Troike wrote:
No. Not everybody wants to spend money on a tablet just for carrying around wargaming rules. It's simple enough to turn them into physical copies if you so desire, and BL allows for allows for this in its terms and conditions. Alternatively, one can be patient and wait for an eventual physical release. Either way, there's no need to buy a tablet for these just because GW likes digital stuff.

Shesh... All I was doing was pointing out that there are inexpensive ways to get the digital books. Fine, some people may not want one, but cost is not a reason. £30 for the e-reader and a £5 discount on e-book codex's. I was just putting that up because some people are under the impression that digital versions somehow exclude people, and others will say they are not aloud printed versions at X event or store.

 Troike wrote:
No. Not everybody wants to spend money on a tablet just for carrying around wargaming rules. It's simple enough to turn them into physical copies if you so desire, and BL allows for allows for this in its terms and conditions. Alternatively, one can be patient and wait for an eventual physical release. Either way, there's no need to buy a tablet for these just because GW likes digital stuff.

I am hoping that codex wise, all the digital ones are eventually coming out in physical form, just at a later date. Like the Black Legion one that is coming out in hardback next month.
I really dont want to have to use yet another electronic device, especially to read books, of all things !!

 Squidbot wrote:
The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?

As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.

The only constant? Complaints.

 pretre wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?

As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.

The only constant? Complaints.

No. But forum (internet?) bias.

The majority of people simply enjoy things (quietly).
A vocal minority complaints on the web, and since they are the visible part, they (foolishly) think they represent the majority.

This has clearly been the case for a lot of complaints about GW: Matt Ward, Dreadknights, Random Psychic Powers, etc.. . Why should it be different for Digital Releases?

That cover does look pretty cool.

Pity it's a digital exclusive, not sure if I like this trend. Will it be tablet only, or can it be read on a PC?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Pity it's a digital exclusive, not sure if I like this trend. Will it be tablet only, or can it be read on a PC?

As with all of the digital releases, you can read it on anything that has an e-reader (including PCs) and can print one copy.

I'm new to the digital codex thing and have had no problems with them running on a desktop. Only problem I've encountered is getting use to a non paper format. Different but not a bad thing.

Definitely excited about this rumor though. New sisters followed by an inquision book? Christmas came early this year!

 Zweischneid wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?

As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.

The only constant? Complaints.

No. But forum (internet?) bias.

The majority of people simply enjoy things (quietly).
A vocal minority complaints on the web, and since they are the visible part, they (foolishly) think they represent the majority.

No.

Personal bias?

I doubt many people think they represent the majority.

I think the majority of people think their opinion represents their opinion.

But then that's just...my opinion.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Interesting, I have every 28mm inquisitor GW has made- time for some to see the tabletop.

Post some pics! I've been meaning to do my Inquisition Convacade.

I just got this guy on ebay, can't wait to paint him up!

 Steve steveson wrote:
Shesh... All I was doing was pointing out that there are inexpensive ways to get the digital books. Fine, some people may not want one, but cost is not a reason. £30 for the e-reader and a £5 discount on e-book codex's. I was just putting that up because some people are under the impression that digital versions somehow exclude people, and others will say they are not aloud printed versions at X event or store.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude. I just really don't like the idea of people feeling that they have to go and buy a product unrelated to 40K to use these rules, when there exists good ways of getting said rules into a physical format. It's just something that I feel a bit strongly about.

 Rayvon wrote:
I am hoping that codex wise, all the digital ones are eventually coming out in physical form, just at a later date.

This very much seems to be what's happening with digital products in general. The previous supplements have steadily been released in hardback, Cruddace said that the SoB digital codex would get a physical release if it sold well (which I think it has). So a physical release for this is a very real possibility.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Im going to call it now. Pretre, don't add me to the list.

A super-duper deluxe master collector's edition that includes Codex SM, AS, Inq, GK and IG. That'll be 600$ please. To pay for the leatherette case, you see.

Still no love for the Dark Angels, because screw them.

Made me laugh.

If GW liked the Dark Angels they wouldn't make them wear dresses into battle.

 pretre wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
The community person/people responsible for posting this on the FB page is supposed to try and generate excitement for upcoming products. Chances are all they're allowed to work with right now is that image, so yeah, that's what they focus on.
And it IS a cool picture. The text seems like an excited young player drooling over a new 40K image.
None of us has ever done that, right?

As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.

The only constant? Complaints.

Well giving away puppies free or otherwise is pretty irresponsible no matter what way you look at it... Someone think of the puppies.

I am liking what I hear about the inquisition fitting into normal imperial charts.

Maybe they will be able to ride in that armies transports? An inquisitor (with divination ) riding along with some IG vets in a chimera is fluffy and cool.

 Happygrunt wrote:
I am liking what I hear about the inquisition fitting into normal imperial charts.

Maybe they will be able to ride in that armies transports? An inquisitor (with divination ) riding along with some IG vets in a chimera is fluffy and cool.

Giving IG access to cheap divination and (maybe) servo skulls would be...incredible.

 xole wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
I am liking what I hear about the inquisition fitting into normal imperial charts.

Maybe they will be able to ride in that armies transports? An inquisitor (with divination ) riding along with some IG vets in a chimera is fluffy and cool.

Giving IG access to cheap divination and (maybe) servo skulls would be...incredible.

Throw in some anti-daemon stuff and we are all set!

If I can run my inquisitorial army like I did when C:WH is out I'll be so happy. Had a ton of fun with that list.

Remember the summer/year of Mystics in every IG army so you could shoot at deep strikers as they came down? Ahh, that'll be back I'm sure.

 pretre wrote:
As with anything, there are many facets:
1) GW releases nothing and shuts down leaks. People complain.
2) GW releases preview images and tries to create buzz. People complain.
3) GW starts snuffing drifters. People complain.
4) GW cures cancer and gives out free puppies. People complain.

The only constant? Complaints.

Curing cancer? Okay. Showing pics to create buzz? Now, let's not get crazy!

Anyway, this release is another step for reducing potential customers. More and more rules become English only, now the second full Codex. Also the requirements of non-gaming technical devices and financial ressources grow exponentially. And even now, revenue grows at inflation rate at best. This is not a strategy to grow a business, but to milk the few remaining customers of as much as you can before they also quit.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Also the requirements of non-gaming technical devices and financial ressources grow exponentially.

You don't need an e-reader. You need a computer. How many gamers don't have a computer and/or a printer?

Also, found another good one from 2000:
"I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.

Make no mistake, they are squeezing Game Shack and others because they are overextended, having trouble in Japan, etc. Watch for Hasbro to make a generous offer in the near future. It could be a case of "the Devil we know" vs. "the Devil we don't know.""

Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices

Brother Weasel wrote:
Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices

I lol'd.

I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well. Maybe they figure most folks who play warhammer can find someone to help them translate it? Are translation services for documents like codexes expensive for a company like GW? I.e. You get some company to translate your Codex: AS into 5 languages and it costs 10k or something?

Could be a lot of reasons why they haven't translated these digital books yet, doesn't mean they never will or that this is how it will be from now on.

 pretre wrote:
Also, found another good one from 2000:
"I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.

GW would have been in trouble, if not for Lord of the Rings and DeAgostini's effective TV marketing and introductory material. After the bubble, GW went back to pre-LOTR revenue level (2001) and stayed there. The number of sold boxes should have halved by now.

 pretre wrote:
I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well.

Keep in mind that some time ago, GW disbanded the German translation team in Germany and transferred it back to someone at GW HQ. Requiring all teens in foreign countries to first learn the master race's language (and alphabet in the case of Japan and China) good enough to read and comprehend 200 pages of rules is just out of this world and arrogant.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Also, found another good one from 2000:
"I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.

GW would have been in trouble, if not for Lord of the Rings and DeAgostini's effective TV marketing and introductory material. After the bubble, GW went back to pre-LOTR revenue level (2001) and stayed there. The number of sold boxes should have halved by now.

I found another one from 2020 referencing this very thread!!!:
"GW would have been in trouble, if not for their increased release schedule and cut back in costs by reducing stores and translation costs for codexes. After the revenue slowdown, their sales went back to 2004 levels and continued that way until 2016."

Seriously, we don't know yet. The point isn't that the guy in 2000 was right. It was that he had some very good points about GW's financial stability, just as you do and yet was still wrong about the demise of the company.

edit: Also, label your damn graph.

 pretre wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Also, found another good one from 2000:
"I think GW is in more trouble than they let on - having your stock drop by 50% overnight and not recover at all, is a real problem in gross capital. Plus they just bought out their plastics subcontractor, and I'm sure that was expensive.

GW would have been in trouble, if not for Lord of the Rings and DeAgostini's effective TV marketing and introductory material. After the bubble, GW went back to pre-LOTR revenue level (2001) and stayed there. The number of sold boxes should have halved by now.

I found another one from 2020 referencing this very thread!!!:
"GW would have been in trouble, if not for their increased release schedule and cut back in costs by reducing stores and translation costs for codexes. After the revenue slowdown, their sales went back to 2004 levels and continued that way until 2016."

Seriously, we don't know yet. The point isn't that the guy in 2000 was right. It was that he had some very good points about GW's financial stability, just as you do and yet was still wrong about the demise of the company.

edit: Also, label your damn graph.

A quote from 2020? By the Gods, Pretre is a time-travelling Daemon!

Sec, I'm calling the Inquisition..

 pretre wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:
Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices

I lol'd.

I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well. Maybe they figure most folks who play warhammer can find someone to help them translate it? Are translation services for documents like codexes expensive for a company like GW? I.e. You get some company to translate your Codex: AS into 5 languages and it costs 10k or something?

Maybe they will at some point... It's all new to them, are Bl books all translated? maybe they don't have a proper way to (or way they like) to sell them separately yet. If they get and remain popular, i could see them translating them all, and doing short hard copy runs. As much as i feel bad for other languages on translation, i'm just happy they are doing more and more.

Brother Weasel wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Brother Weasel wrote:
Maybe they are only doing digitals in English because we all seam to be the ones that have digital devices

I lol'd.

I really don't get the English only decision. It seems silly but oh well. Maybe they figure most folks who play warhammer can find someone to help them translate it? Are translation services for documents like codexes expensive for a company like GW? I.e. You get some company to translate your Codex: AS into 5 languages and it costs 10k or something?

Maybe they will at some point... It's all new to them, are Bl books all translated? maybe they don't have a proper way to (or way they like) to sell them separately yet. If they get and remain popular, i could see them translating them all, and doing short hard copy runs. As much as i feel bad for other languages on translation, i'm just happy they are doing more and more.

AFAIK BL books aren't translated.

BTW if you have a pdf-software to edit the digital Codex for print, can you also easily alter the stats and point costs of the units?

On BL books. A selected few are translated to German and French. ATM though the following books are not available anymore in German, because BL cancelled the licence to the former producers: Eisenhorn and Ravenor triology, first 10 or so HH books including the essential first 4, most gaunt's Ghosts books, most Gotrek&Felix books, basically anything released before 2012.

 Kroothawk wrote:
BTW if you have a pdf-software to edit the digital Codex for print, can you also easily alter the stats and point costs of the units?

Not really? At least as far as I know.

A PDF is not like a Word document, where you can just highlight something and hit backspace to edit it out.

From Natfka:

"via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Codex inquisition still uses your allies slot.

They were written as "battle brother allies" in witch hunters and grey knights before the allies rules were actually implemented an edition later. Now they'll play that way, requiring a troop etc

The difference now though is that the troop choice can be the retinue, full of fun stuff, or the retinue can be an HQ choice without taking a slot so that you can take storm troopers.

It's not a full codex in a sense, you'll find fast attack and heavy support a little light on options.

It's the first of what will be ally intended codexes which as I explained about a year ago can stand alone, but not with the same breadth as other armies.

Also, immediately afterward we'll be seeing the Forgeworld forces of the space marines and inquisition to update all those rules as well. "