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I'm dead serious.

But I was wrong about it being called Imperial, its long vs short scale. GW measurements are in Long scale while modern numbers are Short scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_large_numbers

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I'm imagining storm troopers as models:
Imperial Stormtrooper- Unit of 10 or more, 2 pts per model
Bs Ws S T A W I Ld
1 N/A 3 0 1 1 3 7

Equipment: Flashlights, except they shoot out red light and sometimes smoke

They're terrible shots, never, ever do melee, getting hit period = insta-gib, and what the heck is this "armor" you speak of?

Essentially, the guardsmen would win because even shining their flashlights will be like a hot knife going through butter, and their foes are simply even more inaccurate then they are.

You are the only person I have seen make a Star wars to 40k statline for stormtroopers that wasn't Space marine stats. thank you.

 Harriticus wrote:
Star Wars is a much more developed universe and is much more maturely written.

You'll have to introduce me to the EU you're talking about. My experience has led me to believe it's basically gutter trash and a constant stream of writers trying to one-up each other.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I'm imagining storm troopers as models:
Imperial Stormtrooper- Unit of 10 or more, 2 pts per model
Bs Ws S T A W I Ld
1 N/A 3 0 1 1 3 7

Equipment: Flashlights, except they shoot out red light and sometimes smoke

They're terrible shots, never, ever do melee, getting hit period = insta-gib, and what the heck is this "armor" you speak of?

Essentially, the guardsmen would win because even shining their flashlights will be like a hot knife going through butter, and their foes are simply even more inaccurate then they are.

Wow. Just wow.

We've seen that it has much more knock-down power than a modern SMG or even a carbine. It can heat stormtrooper chest-plate armour to red-hot, it can blast grapefruit-sized chunks out of the Bespin walls and small pockmarks out of Death Star bulkheads, and it can even kill a man with the explosive shockwave from a near-miss.When was the last time a las-gun knocked a man down just from the shot, or blew grapefruit size chunks out of metal?

A stormtrooper's body armour capabilities are very impressive. According to the SWVD, the hardened white shell is virtually immune to corrosion (very important considering the fact that corrosive gas grenades exist), and it can resist any hand-held projectile weapons. In fact, we learned in "Rebel Dawn" that stormtrooper armour is so well made that it commands a high price on the black market, which is why Han Solo was smuggling stolen armour for profit. Not once in any of the three original films did we see anything penetrate the hardened armour apart from a direct hit with a blaster bolt, although the rubberized flexible joint sections were obviously not quite so strong (numerous stormtroopers were killed by arrows to the flexible neck covering in ROTJ, and Leia killed one with a shrapnel hit to the wall behind him, taking advantage of that same small weak area). The novel "Lightsabres", from the Young Jedi Knights series, contains a sequence of events which helps demonstrate the mechanical strength of stormtrooper armour:

"Qorl stood inside the training chamber holding a wicked-looking spear in his black-wrapped left hand. His droid replacement gripped the gleaming shaft with enough force to dent the metal."
...
"He cocked his droid arm back - and hurled the deadly weapon ..."
"Norys slammed into the wall, his helmet ringing against the hard metal bulkhead. His vision sparkled with impending unconsciousness."
...
"He looked down at his chest in amazement and saw only a nick in the white armor where the spear had struck."
Qorl's droid used its superhuman strength to throw a spear with such great force that it lifted a man off his feet and hurled him against a nearby wall. It should be noted that we have no materials in real life that can be manufactured in lightweight thin plates and yet retain such strength against deformation or cracking. Moreover, no real-life assault rifle fires projectiles with anywhere near enough momentum to throw a man around like a rag doll, so this means that stormtrooper armour is basically impervious to present-day small-arms fire (not to mention the shrapnel that is ejected by anti-personnel weapons). A real-life soldier would have to score direct hits with concussion grenades or use a very heavy tripod-mounted gun in order to kill a stormtrooper through his armour (contrast this with Federation soldiers, whose pajamas wouldn't be of much use against an M-16). Blaster bolts are much too powerful to block, but by blocking shrapnel, a stormtrooper's armour ensures that the enemy must score a direct hit in order to kill the man inside.

They actually have quite good aim. Some of the shots in ROTJ (hitting R2D2 and Leia from 30 metres away, with a quick snap shot) are actually very difficult. When they were on a mission where they were clearly ordered to shoot to kill, they shot to kill. When they were probably under orders not to shoot to kill, they shot to barely miss. Their accuracy was as good as that of real-life soldiers, who do not have the sort of ridiculous "Lethal Weapon" accuracy that some people think they do.

 Happyjew wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I'm imagining storm troopers as models:
Imperial Stormtrooper- Unit of 10 or more, 2 pts per model
Bs Ws S T A W I Ld
1 N/A 3 0 1 1 3 7

Equipment: Flashlights, except they shoot out red light and sometimes smoke

They're terrible shots, never, ever do melee, getting hit period = insta-gib, and what the heck is this "armor" you speak of?

Essentially, the guardsmen would win because even shining their flashlights will be like a hot knife going through butter, and their foes are simply even more inaccurate then they are.

Wow. Just wow.

We've seen that it has much more knock-down power than a modern SMG or even a carbine. It can heat stormtrooper chest-plate armour to red-hot, it can blast grapefruit-sized chunks out of the Bespin walls and small pockmarks out of Death Star bulkheads, and it can even kill a man with the explosive shockwave from a near-miss.When was the last time a las-gun knocked a man down just from the shot, or blew grapefruit size chunks out of metal?

A stormtrooper's body armour capabilities are very impressive. According to the SWVD, the hardened white shell is virtually immune to corrosion (very important considering the fact that corrosive gas grenades exist), and it can resist any hand-held projectile weapons. In fact, we learned in "Rebel Dawn" that stormtrooper armour is so well made that it commands a high price on the black market, which is why Han Solo was smuggling stolen armour for profit. Not once in any of the three original films did we see anything penetrate the hardened armour apart from a direct hit with a blaster bolt, although the rubberized flexible joint sections were obviously not quite so strong (numerous stormtroopers were killed by arrows to the flexible neck covering in ROTJ, and Leia killed one with a shrapnel hit to the wall behind him, taking advantage of that same small weak area). The novel "Lightsabres", from the Young Jedi Knights series, contains a sequence of events which helps demonstrate the mechanical strength of stormtrooper armour:

"Qorl stood inside the training chamber holding a wicked-looking spear in his black-wrapped left hand. His droid replacement gripped the gleaming shaft with enough force to dent the metal."
...
"He cocked his droid arm back - and hurled the deadly weapon ..."
"Norys slammed into the wall, his helmet ringing against the hard metal bulkhead. His vision sparkled with impending unconsciousness."
...
"He looked down at his chest in amazement and saw only a nick in the white armor where the spear had struck."
Qorl's droid used its superhuman strength to throw a spear with such great force that it lifted a man off his feet and hurled him against a nearby wall. It should be noted that we have no materials in real life that can be manufactured in lightweight thin plates and yet retain such strength against deformation or cracking. Moreover, no real-life assault rifle fires projectiles with anywhere near enough momentum to throw a man around like a rag doll, so this means that stormtrooper armour is basically impervious to present-day small-arms fire (not to mention the shrapnel that is ejected by anti-personnel weapons). A real-life soldier would have to score direct hits with concussion grenades or use a very heavy tripod-mounted gun in order to kill a stormtrooper through his armour (contrast this with Federation soldiers, whose pajamas wouldn't be of much use against an M-16). Blaster bolts are much too powerful to block, but by blocking shrapnel, a stormtrooper's armour ensures that the enemy must score a direct hit in order to kill the man inside.

They actually have quite good aim. Some of the shots in ROTJ (hitting R2D2 and Leia from 30 metres away, with a quick snap shot) are actually very difficult. When they were on a mission where they were clearly ordered to shoot to kill, they shot to kill. When they were probably under orders not to shoot to kill, they shot to barely miss. Their accuracy was as good as that of real-life soldiers, who do not have the sort of ridiculous "Lethal Weapon" accuracy that some people think they do.

Your reasoning to demonstrate the strength of stormtrooper armor is severely flawed. A strong man can easily lift another man off the ground and throw him several feet back with a punch, by your logic that means a human punch can deliver more power than the rounds from a modern assault rifle.

@ a human punch: in some cases of extreme range it can, jokes aside your right

@ have you ever seen a lasgun blow chunks out of metal or blow a hole in a man (paraphrased).

Yes we have, a lasgun has been described blowing limbs off, hotshot even punches through marine armour, that's made of ceramite and adamantium..pretty powerful I'd say

As a avid fan of both worlds and having read the fluff on both a hell of alot, star wars simply cannot compete with the craziness of the 40k universe.

 Orblivion wrote:
Your reasoning to demonstrate the strength of stormtrooper armor is severely flawed. A strong man can easily lift another man off the ground and throw him several feet back with a punch, by your logic that means a human punch can deliver more power than the rounds from a modern assault rifle.

A human fist has more momentum than a bullet does, however, the bullet focuses all of its energy into one small point, where as the fist spreads it out a bit more. Hence the reason a bullet can penetrate armour where a human fist cannot.

Stormtrooper armour is lightweight and the fact that a spear (which is designed to penetrate and as such focuses its energy into a small point (just like a bullet)) was thrown with enough force that a person was lifted off his feet and slammed into wall (hard enough to make him near unconscious) and a that happened to the armour was a small dent. That says quite a bit about the strength of Stormtrooper armour.

Based on what I know stats for a regular trooper would be:

WS:3 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:1 I:3 A:1 Ld:8 Sv:4+

They are trained soldiers so they would likely have some training in hand to hand combat. However we never see them fight hand to hand, so it is possible their WS could be a 2 if melee training is ignored.
They are exceptional shots and rather accurate (despite people toting otherwise).
They are normal men and as such would have the same Strength, Toughness, Wounds and Initiative as a regular person.


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 Formosa wrote:
@ a human punch: in some cases of extreme range it can, jokes aside your right

@ have you ever seen a lasgun blow chunks out of metal or blow a hole in a man (paraphrased).

Yes we have, a lasgun has been described blowing limbs off, hotshot even punches through marine armour, that's made of ceramite and adamantium..pretty powerful I'd say

As a avid fan of both worlds and having read the fluff on both a hell of alot, star wars simply cannot compete with the craziness of the 40k universe.

It would depend though. In space, the Empire has the speed necessary they can just jump from system to system. When was the last time the IoM made it halfway across the galaxy in under a week?
If the IoM managed to catch the Empire on a planet in ground combat, they most likely would decimate the Empire.

Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

 Formosa wrote:
Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

Except this discussion is on the Imperium of Man vs the Galactic Empire. If it was SW vs 40K then yes we would have to take in account all of the various races and factions.

The IoMs opponents are relevant to this discussion. If the Imperium can stand against them, and even win most of the time, what chance does the GE stand against the Imperium?

 Happyjew wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

Except this discussion is on the Imperium of Man vs the Galactic Empire. If it was SW vs 40K then yes we would have to take in account all of the various races and factions.

To be honest I think this is a big problem. We mention the GE probing the galaxy before fighting and a rift but then we have to pause and say... wait what are the other races doing? How will they affect them? We certainly can't have a 1v1 between the IG and the Emperium. Not only would this imply that they don't have to worry about any foe besides the GE anymore but would also imply that every other race has dissapeared never once intercepting a single probe. So are the Imperium still fighting the other forces besides GE? Is it just GE vs the Imperium of Manking with nothing else?

Also why the imperium has gone in less then a week... and in a couple hundred years... and going back in time...

Also I very much doubt probes could observe the entire galaxy in any short span of time.

Also not entirely sure about bs4. Whilst they are professional, the stats of 40k are exceptionally wonky and honestly don't always make sense. Tau have a bs of 3 even though that is pretty much the biggest part of their training yet when lit with several markerlights bam bs5 fools! Also yes lasguns have crazy fluctuating power. Then again power swords can sometimes kill guys and sometimes destroy tanks.

 Formosa wrote:
Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

Nids got prevented from doing Planetfall by a single (!) Eldar. Also, 1000 Space Marines kicked their butt, surely 5000 Storm Troopers can too. And let's not forget that Vostroyans starved (!) nids to death. Lol. I guess Jabba would have enough "reserves" to repeat that feat

As for Necrons, watch Episode I. Gungans beat robots.

For Eldar, well, they got pwned by Tyrandis and Necrons, and we know how the above two would fare against anything reasonable

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

Nids got prevented from doing Planetfall by a single (!) Eldar. Also, 1000 Space Marines kicked their butt, surely 5000 Storm Troopers can too. And let's not forget that Vostroyans starved (!) nids to death. Lol. I guess Jabba would have enough "reserves" to repeat that feat

As for Necrons, watch Episode I. Gungans beat robots.

For Eldar, well, they got pwned by Tyrandis and Necrons, and we know how the above two would fare against anything reasonable

Except that you just mentioned a single eldar kicking the butt of nids before suddenly saying eldar get powned by nids, necrons aren't robots. They are smarter, stronger, not stupid, and all effectively deadly able to reanimate from preposterous deaths and march onwards. Onto nids, 1000 space marines and a bunch of pdf and guard where many of those marines died (at least 100) and don't forget that this chapter that lived had one of the greatest armors of all. PLOT ARMOR! You know the thing that makes storm troopers like like complete idiots that can't aim for trash whenever han, luke, and leiea appear and make them start shooting in circles?

Also if we want to bring all the races in. Have fun dealing with orks that spawn more and more when dead, nids crawling into your race from inside and making it fall apart, the whispers of chaos, your bud's head randomly exploding with chaos, daemons ruptruing from a warp and fading in and out of reality whilst ripping you apart all the while another shooting fireworks that make another into a a pool of water flames mutating everybody else as they scream in terror. And Titans!

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

Except this discussion is on the Imperium of Man vs the Galactic Empire. If it was SW vs 40K then yes we would have to take in account all of the various races and factions.

To be honest I think this is a big problem. We mention the GE probing the galaxy before fighting and a rift but then we have to pause and say... wait what are the other races doing? How will they affect them?.

It depends on a few factors. For example, the Tyranids have only been encountered enmasse in the eastern and southern sections of the galaxy. If the wormhole opened up in galactic northwest, The Empire might not encounter too many Nids. We have no idea how the Tau would react to their appearance, more than likely leaving them alone as they are not trying to settle planets there would be no conflict. Orks are Orks. Nuff said. Dark Eldar would try raiding the Imperial Fleet with unknown success. The Eldar are enigmatic. They might perceive the Empire as a threat, they might not. Most likely as long as the Empire was not hostile towards the Eldar, the Eldar would most likely leave them alone or try to use them as pawns. I don't see Chaos Daemons as a threat in space as, barring the Eye of Terror, there are no Warp Rifts in space (that I know of). CSM would most likely attack.

I like your last comment happyjew.

Something I have always liked was nids vs Borg, who would assimilate who, or would it create a more terrible race than we could conceive of, imagine gaunts with Borg shield tech, or Borg spawning in the billions.... I like these fluff mash ups

 Formosa wrote:
I like your last comment happyjew.

Something I have always liked was nids vs Borg, who would assimilate who, or would it create a more terrible race than we could conceive of, imagine gaunts with Borg shield tech, or Borg spawning in the billions.... I like these fluff mash ups

That's easy. Nids would crush the Borg. They are cannot Run and since only Trek uses "phased" weaponry, the Borg will not be able to adapt.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I like your last comment happyjew.

Something I have always liked was nids vs Borg, who would assimilate who, or would it create a more terrible race than we could conceive of, imagine gaunts with Borg shield tech, or Borg spawning in the billions.... I like these fluff mash ups

That's easy. Nids would crush the Borg. They are cannot Run and since only Trek uses "phased" weaponry, the Borg will not be able to adapt.

Why not? Tau "out-adapted" the Nids. Why shouldn't the Borg (or, as a matter of fact, Starfleet) be able to do the same?


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 Happyjew wrote:


It depends on a few factors. For example, the Tyranids have only been encountered enmasse in the eastern and southern sections of the galaxy. If the wormhole opened up in galactic northwest, The Empire might not encounter too many Nids. We have no idea how the Tau would react to their appearance, more than likely leaving them alone as they are not trying to settle planets there would be no conflict. Orks are Orks. Nuff said. Dark Eldar would try raiding the Imperial Fleet with unknown success. The Eldar are enigmatic. They might perceive the Empire as a threat, they might not. Most likely as long as the Empire was not hostile towards the Eldar, the Eldar would most likely leave them alone or try to use them as pawns. I don't see Chaos Daemons as a threat in space as, barring the Eye of Terror, there are no Warp Rifts in space (that I know of). CSM would most likely attack.

Daemons are nasty, I give you that.

But Nids haven't really been a threat to anything. They didn't just get their ass handed to them by Ultramarines. They've been beaten by Ork Freebootaz, by single Inquisitors, by Vostroyans with old-fashioned nuclear weapons, etc... Not sure if they ever really did beat or eat anything "named" that wasn't just invented to be "beaten" by the Nids in the first place.

Well, Iyanden I guess. At least until Yriel showed up. Counts as half a victory I guess. Nids 1/2 : the rest of the 40K-verse 1.000.000.000.000.00.000.000.000.000

Ah but all it would take is the Borg to assimilate a few ships (biological) and that in turn would corrupt and infect the other nids in the target hivefleet

Trek only uses phased weaponry?? Waaa
Polaron
Tachyon
Neutron
Quantum
Photon
Phase

Also trek has the most reliable and accurate weapons and ships in any of the settings, they can literally go where they please when they please, add to that the best sensors on any of the settings, they can detect ships whole sectors always, thats pretty beef alone

Also cubes are roughly comparable in size, tacticals are also similar.

 Happyjew wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Ah these are the mistakes you are making happyjew, I said 40k universe, eldar, necrons.. Hell tyranids, star wars simply has no answer to these threats, crons can go where they please, eldar would have issue but would win every space engagement, and nids would do what they do best, overwhelm.

Except this discussion is on the Imperium of Man vs the Galactic Empire. If it was SW vs 40K then yes we would have to take in account all of the various races and factions.

To be honest I think this is a big problem. We mention the GE probing the galaxy before fighting and a rift but then we have to pause and say... wait what are the other races doing? How will they affect them?.

It depends on a few factors. For example, the Tyranids have only been encountered enmasse in the eastern and southern sections of the galaxy. If the wormhole opened up in galactic northwest, The Empire might not encounter too many Nids. We have no idea how the Tau would react to their appearance, more than likely leaving them alone as they are not trying to settle planets there would be no conflict. Orks are Orks. Nuff said. Dark Eldar would try raiding the Imperial Fleet with unknown success. The Eldar are enigmatic. They might perceive the Empire as a threat, they might not. Most likely as long as the Empire was not hostile towards the Eldar, the Eldar would most likely leave them alone or try to use them as pawns. I don't see Chaos Daemons as a threat in space as, barring the Eye of Terror, there are no Warp Rifts in space (that I know of). CSM would most likely attack.

True true. That being said it doesn't factor in possible nid outbreaks, necron surprises, and the fact that whilst we have our iconic armies, we also know that in the fluff we have some scary xenos races such as the hrud and those octopus fliers. Whilst there aren't quite warp rifts in space, there are a large number of warpstorms dotting the galaxy. From the second largest Maelstrom to Tallarn's warpstorm. In these places logic falls apart and I find it very probable that quite a few disasters would occur in such areas. Along with that, chaos isn't so logical. If memory serves me, Slaanesh actually took over the battleship possessing a blackstone foretress. This seems to imply that chaos to some extent can function in space albeit with some unpredictability. Perhaps chaos can even just bloop into your crib. Oh and don't forget leaving the warp opens a gaping hole into disreality and supposedly there are planet sized daemons.

How could I forget disruptor lol, that is roughly comparable to necron tech, it "disrupts" the molecular bonds of the target and potentially vaporizes it, that's also cool

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I like your last comment happyjew.

Something I have always liked was nids vs Borg, who would assimilate who, or would it create a more terrible race than we could conceive of, imagine gaunts with Borg shield tech, or Borg spawning in the billions.... I like these fluff mash ups

That's easy. Nids would crush the Borg. They are cannot Run and since only Trek uses "phased" weaponry, the Borg will not be able to adapt.

Why not? Tau "out-adapted" the Nids. Why shouldn't the Borg (or, as a matter of fact, Starfleet) be able to do the same?

The Borg adaptation is based on frequency and phase coherence (hence the reason they can adapt to Phasers). In fact, shoot them with regular bullets and they go down. That says nothing about bullets with a mind of its own.


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 Formosa wrote:
they can literally go where they please when they please, add to that the best sensors on any of the settings, they can detect ships whole sectors always, thats pretty beef alone.

Now this is funny.
IIRC Janeway said it would take 75 years to traverse 70 000 light years at maximum warp. which works out to what? About 3333c (roughly)? Where as hyperdrives enable ships to travel at several millions times the speed of light (especially considering the fact that the SW galaxy is much larger than ours and travel still only takes a day or two at most.

Also, unlike the Federation, SW ships can detect cloaked ships.

However, I think we are starting to veer away from this board.


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 Formosa wrote:
Trek only uses phased weaponry?? Waaa
Polaron
Tachyon
Neutron
Quantum
Photon
Phase.

I never said Trek only uses phased weapons, I said only Trek uses phased weapons.

Borg don't just adapt to energy weapons, they adapt to projectile weapons too, changing the frequency of a shield to the same resonance of a physical attack would also stop it, Borg in the fluff have done this, they also adapt armour on there drones to better protect from physical and ballistic attacks, they. Are pretty much nids but technological in nature.

Note though I'm not talking a straight up frontal attack, Borg don't have the numbers for thst, they would find the weak points in there fleets and teanswarp there, destroy the stragglers and assimilate the others and run the hell away before nids could respond, also nids hibernate in transit and the Borg would see this and jump on them and rum before they could respond

Happyjews stats gave the stormtroopers BS 4.I'm starting to wonder has he only read the ooks and never seen episodes 4-6.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Happyjews stats gave the stormtroopers BS 4.I'm starting to wonder has he only read the ooks and never seen episodes 4-6.

Actually, I've seen the movies in the proper order. And i'm not going off just the books.

 Happyjew wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Happyjews stats gave the stormtroopers BS 4.I'm starting to wonder has he only read the books and never seen episodes 4-6.

Actually, I've seen the movies in the proper order. And i'm not going off just the books.

I was kidding.And name 2 times in the movies when stormtroopers hit a target other then princess leias shoulder.And that was ONCE.

Da krimson barun wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Happyjews stats gave the stormtroopers BS 4.I'm starting to wonder has he only read the books and never seen episodes 4-6.

Actually, I've seen the movies in the proper order. And i'm not going off just the books.

I was kidding.And name 2 times in the movies when stormtroopers hit a target other then princess leias shoulder.And that was ONCE.

What about hitting R2-D2 (in the same scene)? And of course there was the entire opening from ANH. Let's not forget the accuracy referenced by Old Ben regarding the wrecked Sandcrawler.

The beginning where they kill several rebel soldiers. Storm Troopers are supposed to be good. That being said, apparently clone troopers are generally better but that is a different story. Anyways, they are known for being efficient, powerful, and capable of relatively precise aim for an army. Obi Wan describes this at the destroyed vehicle of the jawas where they tried to disguise their true presence. The problem comes from plot armor and the underdog situation. In reality, the main characters would have long been gunned down. The thing is, the story was a coming to age adventure that children could watch and the main characters dying within the first few minutes doesn't sound particularly interesting nor would it make for a long story with a possible sequel.


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 Happyjew wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Happyjews stats gave the stormtroopers BS 4.I'm starting to wonder has he only read the books and never seen episodes 4-6.

Actually, I've seen the movies in the proper order. And i'm not going off just the books.

I was kidding.And name 2 times in the movies when stormtroopers hit a target other then princess leias shoulder.And that was ONCE.

What about hitting R2-D2 (in the same scene)? And of course there was the entire opening from ANH. Let's not forget the accuracy referenced by Old Ben regarding the wrecked Sandcrawler.

Thank you! The Sandcrawler was the scene I was thinking about! In reality, the Storm Troopers suffered the same fate as many antagonists/adverseries. Even 40k has it. IG slaughter CSM, SM slaughter SM, SM slaughter every race with units of 5 against preposterous odds, one eldar kicking the butt of nids, Nids losing to 1000 SM and the pdf force.... etc etc.

And in case anyone is wondering the proper order is:

A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi

In that order.

That doesn't look right.

Da krimson barun wrote:
That doesn't look right.

Oh?