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So, in the Eldar codex, the mantle gives the user a bunch of perks but also states that said individual loses the IC special rule.

Would it be legal for a separate IC to join with a model with the Mantle?

Example: Autarch on a jetbike has the Mantle and is therefore no longer and IC (essentially like Mephiston or Crowe from how I interpret this). Farseer on a jetbike, with no unit, just the far seer attaches to the autarch which would make a squad of 2 models.

My reasoning is that in the example above, while the autarch cannot join other units anymore, the farseer can and therefore joins the autarch. I view this as being similar to a buff commander joining a Riptide.

Is this correct or is my reasoning completely wrong?

Is the model with the Mantle a unit that can compose of more than 1 model? If not, no, the Farseer may not join the Autarch.

A Tau Commander may join a Riptide because it is a unit that CAN be more than one model.

Lucarikx

Page 39, read it, love it. The autarch is ALWAYS A unit that consists of a single model.

Ok, I found the reference to the autarch.

So lets change the scenario and assume its a farseer with the mantle and a second farseer is attempting to make the unit. Would this be legal?

Its the fact that when you use points to purchase a Autarch, it says his unit composition is 1. You can't add any more members to the Autarch "unit", so he/she is always a unit that composes of 1 model.

For a Riptide, you can add the Drones, so it is not always a unit that composes of a single model.

Lucarikx

Ok, I understand the autarch part now. But what about the legality of a Farseer and the Mantle being joined by a second farseer or an allied IC?

Same problem.

Starless Night wrote:
Ok, I understand the autarch part now. But what about the legality of a Farseer and the Mantle being joined by a second farseer or an allied IC?

How many farseers are there in a unit, normally? 1. So how many models can a unit of 1 non-IC farseer ever be? 1

It is the EXACT same reason it doesnt work with the autarch.

Ok, thanks for the help!

 Lucarikx wrote:
Its the fact that when you use points to purchase a Autarch, it says his unit composition is 1. You can't add any more members to the Autarch "unit", so he/she is always a unit that composes of 1 model.

For a Riptide, you can add the Drones, so it is not always a unit that composes of a single model.

Lucarikx

I'm not sure I follow that particular line of reasoning. Doesn't a Space Marine Tactical Squad say it is composed of 5-10 models? Are you saying if I wanted to join an IC to it, I would only be able to have 9 models in the unit as I can't exceed the 5-10 ruling?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely don't understand the viewpoint here.

Henrythesecond wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Its the fact that when you use points to purchase a Autarch, it says his unit composition is 1. You can't add any more members to the Autarch "unit", so he/she is always a unit that composes of 1 model.

For a Riptide, you can add the Drones, so it is not always a unit that composes of a single model.

Lucarikx

I'm not sure I follow that particular line of reasoning. Doesn't a Space Marine Tactical Squad say it is composed of 5-10 models? Are you saying if I wanted to join an IC to it, I would only be able to have 9 models in the unit as I can't exceed the 5-10 ruling?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely don't understand the viewpoint here.

Not really no, The limit is that you may not join a squad that may only ever consist of a single model. In taking the mantle the Autarch/Seer becomes such a squad and therefore cannot be join. Since a Tactical starts out asa 5 man squad it is never a squad that can only contain a single model.

Henrythesecond wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:
Its the fact that when you use points to purchase a Autarch, it says his unit composition is 1. You can't add any more members to the Autarch "unit", so he/she is always a unit that composes of 1 model.

For a Riptide, you can add the Drones, so it is not always a unit that composes of a single model.

Lucarikx

I'm not sure I follow that particular line of reasoning. Doesn't a Space Marine Tactical Squad say it is composed of 5-10 models? Are you saying if I wanted to join an IC to it, I would only be able to have 9 models in the unit as I can't exceed the 5-10 ruling?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely don't understand the viewpoint here.

Have you read page 39 yet? It states you cannot join a unit with an IC, if the unit you are joining ONLY ever consists of a single model. An autarch / farseer has a unnit of 1, and loses the IC rule so cannot be joined.

What about Spirit Seer from the expansion book. Not 100% sure on the exact wording.

The special rule allows you to take 5 Spiritseers as a single FOC slot, not as a unit.

 Happyjew wrote:
The special rule allows you to take 5 Spiritseers as a single FOC slot, not as a unit.

Alright, well that stops that