Wolf Lord Kevin wrote:if you want Samurai why not go the White Scars route? Sure they ride around on bikes but I've seen them more Samurai then Space Wolves. Space Wolves are Vikings which, they center around blades and axes along with Hammers. Or Blood Angels I guess would be another place to go since they have swords too, but they are more...of the -insert regional setting of Vampires/Vlad the Impaler etc-

Anyway back to your questions:

1.Wolf Lord: Standardly people usually go for something around 160-230pts . All can be reasonable in truth...but it depends on the other things in your army. Something me and my friend have come up with for a decent and effective build for a Wolf Lord is:

Wolf Lord in Runic Armour, Frost Blade(+1S), Belt of Russ and a Thunderwolf Mount(+1S, +1T, +1A) with Saga of the Warrior Born(250pts) Expensive yes but what you get is: 2+/4++, S6 T5. 6 base attacks because he would still have his pistol which gives a +1 since the Frost Blade isn't a specialist. Along with a Saga that grants him +A for every model he personally killed in CC the previous assault phase. since he's T5 he would need to be ID by things with that rule only or by a S10 weapon. You could pay 10pts more for a Wolftooth so he hits everything no matter what on a 3+ but eh that's up to you. Also this guy moves 12" and counts a Calvary now so he has Fleet and Hammer of Wrath.

Alternatively you could try for something without the mount and the Frost Blade and the Saga just for the sake of being more cost effective. Which releases a good: 105pts which hey that's a lot so ya your call. Would be smart but hey it's how you in-vision him man. This is your general who will lead your samurai to victor and honor. Or fall in battle with honor. The pts is up there along with a Blade using weapon. Could go for a Power Sword to be cheaper as well which hey, if ya want go for it.

2.Wolf Guard: They can hold their own just fine without TDA. it's usually suggested that any who are not leading a unit should be in it...But hey up to you. They can dish out the same dmg it's just they won't have the 2+/5++. You can kit them out however you wish since well....they have a lot of options...Breaking them up to lead your units is awesome since if they have combi weapons they can be that extra weapon. But remember Transport Space and all that. Aside from that yeah they can be in or out of TDA and still be badasses

3.Lone Wolves: They can be an effective elite choice since they can hunt down Characters and Big things pretty awesomely. FNP, Fearless and EW make this guy awesome and survivable...even though he needs to die before the game ends >< Doesn't matter about TDA since this guy needs to die so he can still be worth it because then he can sweeping advance units he slaughters up. Usually 2 or 1 is the way to go. Giving them puppies is also going to add a good amount as well. 3 would be to many if you ask me. But hey at 25pts base...well up to you lol

4.Grey Hunters: Flexiable, awesome, attackers and or Supporters if need be. Hold the line, push the line, or break the line. Grey Hunters can dish out a lot of dmg in CC especially if you went to kit them out for it. Mark of the Wolfen is a must for that respect. D6+1A with rending, Wolf Standard to reroll all 1s except for Moral and Leadership in the assault phase. Give em a power sword to slice big wannabes along with having a Wolf Guard who can bring that extra AP3 Sword and well...I'm crazy so I'd charge this unit but it's a frightful unit.Could run you a lot of pts depending. My load out usually has em at 180pts and I run 3 full squads but they get the job done. Counter Attack is also a thing DON'T FORGET IT LIKE SO MANY OTHERS! They effectively have 3 attacks on the charge or Counter. 2 normal + the Wolfen swinging away all crazy like. They can be scary and awesome.

5.Blood Claws: Lukas is hilarious...but at 140pts as an upgrade for a unit that should be ran at full...Sorry but no...His bomb is awesome yes...But he makes the squad too expensive...The amount of attacks(60 from a full unit) is amazing...Especially with a Wolf Priest leading them...But again...for all the points you could be getting more Grey Hunters...Sorry but Lukas...it's a gamble..maybe he goes Kamkaze...,or he doesn't...Risk id arguably too high...


I could go into more def but hey I don't want to bore you. Those are my thoughts on your questions, if they seem good then hey yay! if not then oh well. Been playing only Space Wolves and I've seen different builds and lists. From cheesy ones to fluffy ones. I'm going off of what I know along with trying to live up to your dream here. Plenty of swords if I'm looking at it right. Chainswords galore along with Power Swords and Frost Blades to clash with your foes. in the end though it is up to. Pts can be expensive. Heck if you want I could do a quick put together of the pts if I was to go for something like yours.

anyeri wrote:Firts thing first, the missconception about the SW, they arent a CC army, simple no , even by the options the army have, and make it look like a dedicated CC army, they arent, the space wolve are the kings of the close quarter combat, they specialize on the close firefights, from there they have the best core troops of the game (i dont know rigth now, but for my taste they still keep the place) that why they use 2 special weapon instead a specail weapon and a heavy weapon.
About the fluffy part, i think they make excellent samurias, even the lonewolf make a great semblance to the ronins, lordless samurias that seek to restore thier honor alone; you could make some research, i make little but i can tell you that you could use the image of fox instead of wolves, the japanise culture have various myth around this animal, but i give more examplen when explain the units you mention:

Your overall questios: NO, you are no wasting time with an army like that, you could build a force of wolfguard with power sword or frose blades, they hit hard, and hit many time, you could make a unit of 5 WG with power sword and bolt pistol for 140 points, if the points is your concern, if not, for 280 a unit of ten WG, i dont think that is overcosted for a unit of power armour marines with three attack of power weapons, and if you want to make it axeless, but still need that couple of ap2 attacks, you could modeled as alabard or any other weapon, like this one


Seriusly, you have a vast variety to make good models and comversions, the limit, your skills and imagination

Wolf lord:
You want a fast CC mosnter, then a thunder wolf lord is ehat you need, the cost, about 240-260 moreless, and too you could convert him as riding a tiger or a fox; about the layout, runic armour, SS and a saga acording the situation, (saga of the bear if figthing against enemys with S10 weapons, for the instant dead, or s of the beast slayer, good against MC and bike armies) and if you want it samurai like, use a frost blade
You want it on foot, TDA and SS, that cos around 180-200, more less, with saga of the bear and same, a frost blabe, make it curve so it looks like a katana

Wolf guard: yes they worth in both ways, as i explain it above, they have acces to power weapons and combi weapons, the whole squad, so if you gonna run a rhino list, i recomend WG with power armour, if drop pods, use them with TDA

Lone wolve: i love the lones wolves, i recomend just one, becuase they use elite slots as same as WG, so use it with hammer and SS to tie the most horrendous creature in the game, dont if he die, he is suppose to

Grey hunters: their principal objetive on the battlefield is to control the midfield, their effective range is 12", to maximase the rapid fire of their bolters, and more importantlye, they dont charge, they shoot and recive the enemy charge, there is the importance of keep them on cover to use rapid fire and control a 12" bubble on the middle of the field

Blood claws: only if you want to play a spam horde army, and i neve have pay lukas, so i dont habe any opinion about him

thats are the tips i could give you, make a research about the costumes and myth of the feudal japan to make a more fluffy army, and good luck