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I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to be elitist or force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

Playing games against people who have had an army for years but no painted it is not part of the hobby I enjoy.

I don't see how anyone can only like 40k for the rules; there are so many games out there which are far superior rules-wise.

For me, painted armies (even badly painted ones) are far more immersive when playing a game. For me, that's the kick out get out of a game. It isn't rules lawyering or power gaming. Its immersion into the game and the story. Its like reading a book with several typos on each page. No matter how good the book, if you keep getting kicked out of it, you won't be able to get into it. Its not just throwing dice and moving figures, there's a pageantry about the game that shows some pride and skill. I've played against unpainted and semi-painted armies before, but only if they're new to the game or have a brand new army. Otherwise I'll turn the game down.

 MetalOxide wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to be elitist or force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

Playing games against people who have had an army for years but no painted it is not part of the hobby I enjoy.

I don't see how anyone can only like 40k for the rules; there are so many games out there which are far superior rules-wise.

Because people can both enjoy the fluff and gaming rules? I hate painting, but I love the lore behind everything and just playing it.

I myself don't see why painting is the only thing people can enjoy, but I can understand why people do it.

Ok, so basically I can sum up thus:
If you don't want to play against me because my army isn't painted that's fine, because I probably don't want to play against you!

 Aben Zin wrote:
Ok, so basically I can sum up thus:
If you don't want to play against me because my army isn't painted that's fine, because I probably don't want to play against you!

This is like saying, "you can't fire me, I quit!" The fact is that the reason people don't want to play against you lies with yourself.

I've been playing 40K since 2010 and have roughly 20% of my Ork army painted. I found that in between life and other hobbies, it was hard for me to dedicate a lot of time towards painting. It also doesn't help that I'm not the fastest painter, meaning that the little time I was able to dedicate to it meant there was very little progress to show. Which can easily be defeating when you are starring at another 100 boyz to paint.

As for the playing with Grey Armies, it never bothered me as I'm on the mostly Grey army side of the fence. I have ran into some people who scoff at the idea of playing against a grey army but I find it foolish as they are basically denying said player 1/3 of the hobby. Don't get me wrong, I love watching two fully painted armies on the table but as stated by many here, it isn't what all players are looking for in the end.

Some people spend a lot of time per model, and as such are incredibly slow painters. As such they will have largely grey armies. One could say that such people should not buy new models if they have ones that are still unpainted, but then they'd be left with an army that is half what they'd like it to be.

Alternatively, some just dislike painting. This certainly doesn't make playing their armies any less immersive, as IMO it's the narrative of the game rather than the models that decide this.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

See any irony with this statement?

Yeah, why should you bother painting your army? It's your army, why bother painting it and who cares what other people think.

Same as, why bother dressing when you're going to the shops? Fascist Tesco, stopping me shopping in my pyjamas...

 Banzaimash wrote:
Some people spend a lot of time per model, and as such are incredibly slow painters. As such they will have largely grey armies. One could say that such people should not buy new models if they have ones that are still unpainted, but then they'd be left with an army that is half what they'd like it to be.

Alternatively, some just dislike painting. This certainly doesn't make playing their armies any less immersive, as IMO it's the narrative of the game rather than the models that decide this.

It absolutely makes it less immersive.

I face unpainted models on a regular basis. That is fine. An entirely unpainted army? Unless you got that thing last week and just wanted to play a game cause you are super excited to finally have it, there is really no excuse.

 amanita wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

See any irony with this statement?

I never said you couldn't decline a game with someone.

Of course considering the fact that there's no "Grey Models only" clubs compared to "Either paint or get out", it's still quite relevant.

I hate unpainted armies and their owners with a deep burning passion. If you have taken the effort of building a army to game standards you should almost be forced to make an effort to have them painted. So to enforce this my club has layed down a rule that says that no unpainted army is allowed to be played in the place we play.

Niexist wrote:


This is like saying, "you can't fire me, I quit!" The fact is that the reason people don't want to play against you lies with yourself.

No, it's like saying that if you're the kind of person who'd refuse to play against an unpainted army, then I wouldn't want to play against you even if my army was painted.
Though thus far no-one has refused to play against me. This is probably because I play with my friends.

Here are my thoughts....if you want to play a GAME go squat on your couch with a bucket of chicken and mash buttons all day on an Xbox or whatever while drooling into your lap mindlessly....if you want to partake in this Hobby (<----notice the word here...hobby NOT game) then be a part of the hobby. That includes, collecting, building, PAINTING and playing (also you could throw lore in there). Painting is as much about the enjoyment of playing for your opponent as it is for yourself. Notice what I said here....you are doing something not just for yourself which means you are an active member of the hobby COMMUNITY. Its not all about just you....if you think it is, go back and read my first sentence. And dont give me the "no time" excuse....Im in the military, I am up at 4am everyday for PT and I dont get off until 1700, and I still find time to paint.

Yes but you aren't going to complain about someone who only PAINTS and thus only enjoys that ASPECT of the HOBBY, <-- notice the word aspect there, then nobody complains at all. But if you only enjoy the GAMING aspect of the HOBBY (am I doing this right?) then you're treated as filth by some folk. I am never going to enjoy painting, therefore am I not allowed to enjoy any of the other aspects of the game? Sorry, "Hobby"?

Though I do accept that you should take some responsibility for your opponent's enjoyment too. That said, if you're that offended by some bare plastic showing then perhaps you should grow a thicker skin?

(Also, as a computer gamer too, screw you. XOXO)

I don't really care if your army is painted or not so long as I know what everything is. So that takes out the Pepsi can drop pods and toy story army men representing marines and so forth.
While I understand that not everyone is up to my standards of painting, I only think it is sad that they are too lazy to at least spray paint it one color and drybrush on another with maybe a wash or dip while painting the base green. Even my 5 year old niece can do that. I feel that it is sad because you are denying yourself fun and aesthetic enjoyment. Please note that I say "sad", not "hostile". I paint my toys how I like and yours belong to you so you can paint (or not paint) them as you like. Its does not really matter to me. When I go home, I'm taking mine with me (unless idiot me forgets something lol) and you take yours home.

On that note,I find that many (but not all) players who don't paint their armies treat models from other people's armies the same way they treat their own. Handling them with crap on their hands, grabbing handfuls of them (deadpiles) and squishing them together or tossing them aside with no regard for chipping paint or damaging/breaking them. As I said, do what you like with yours but respect me and the time I put into mine to make mine look amazing and we are perfectly ok.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Seriously, it seems that people who do not put time into painting think that others with such time should feel bad for being proud of their army and making the non painted armies look like garbage just because they are not painted.

I've have literally never met this person, nor ever seen any evidence of them on the Internet.

This person exists only in your imagination.


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 Dannyevilguy wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
Some people spend a lot of time per model, and as such are incredibly slow painters. As such they will have largely grey armies. One could say that such people should not buy new models if they have ones that are still unpainted, but then they'd be left with an army that is half what they'd like it to be.

Alternatively, some just dislike painting. This certainly doesn't make playing their armies any less immersive, as IMO it's the narrative of the game rather than the models that decide this.

It absolutely makes it less immersive.

I face unpainted models on a regular basis. That is fine. An entirely unpainted army? Unless you got that thing last week and just wanted to play a game cause you are super excited to finally have it, there is really no excuse.

Why does anyone need an excuse as if there is a wrong and right way to play 40K and they've committed some kind of error or trespass?

You people crack me up.

 MetalOxide wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to be elitist or force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

Playing games against people who have had an army for years but no painted it is not part of the hobby I enjoy.

I don't see how anyone can only like 40k for the rules; there are so many games out there which are far superior rules-wise.

Yeah I don't see why either. It's like different people have different likes and opinions about stuff! What's up with that?

 beigeknight wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to be elitist or force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

Playing games against people who have had an army for years but no painted it is not part of the hobby I enjoy.

I don't see how anyone can only like 40k for the rules; there are so many games out there which are far superior rules-wise.

Yeah I don't see why either. It's like different people have different likes and opinions about stuff! What's up with that?

By MetalOxide's logic, I honestly don't see why anyone would waste the time painting 40K models. There are far better models out there to paint too.

That must mean there's something intangible about 40K that transcends the rules and the models that grabs onto people...

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 beigeknight wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to be elitist or force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

Playing games against people who have had an army for years but no painted it is not part of the hobby I enjoy.

I don't see how anyone can only like 40k for the rules; there are so many games out there which are far superior rules-wise.

Yeah I don't see why either. It's like different people have different likes and opinions about stuff! What's up with that?

By MetalOxide's logic, I honestly don't see why anyone would waste the time painting 40K models. There are far better models out there to paint too.

That must mean there's something intangible about 40K that transcends the rules and the models that grabs onto people...

Funnily enough, that does work, have you seen some of those fancier models they've been coming out with on the market lately? Some of them blow 40k out of the water.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 beigeknight wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I don't like painting, but I actually like playing the game itself. No need to be elitist or force your views on someone else if that's not the part of the hobby they enjoy.

Playing games against people who have had an army for years but no painted it is not part of the hobby I enjoy.

I don't see how anyone can only like 40k for the rules; there are so many games out there which are far superior rules-wise.

Yeah I don't see why either. It's like different people have different likes and opinions about stuff! What's up with that?

By MetalOxide's logic, I honestly don't see why anyone would waste the time painting 40K models. There are far better models out there to paint too.

That must mean there's something intangible about 40K that transcends the rules and the models that grabs onto people...

Yeah, there are better minis than the stuff GW creates, that's why I hardly buy GW stuff anymore.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Of course considering the fact that there's no "Grey Models only" clubs compared to "Either paint or get out", it's still quite relevant.

That fact that you have to make up people to oppress you instead of having real people to point at says everything that needs to be said about the stance you and the OP are trying to take.

 Bookwrack wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Of course considering the fact that there's no "Grey Models only" clubs compared to "Either paint or get out", it's still quite relevant.

That fact that you have to make up people to oppress you instead of having real people to point at says everything that needs to be said about the stance you and the OP are trying to take.

Make up? There are clubs that have a "You have to have painted models to play here" rules.

One or two people even mention their own clubs being of that sort.

Course I have my own painted models, but still.

Keeper_of_Secrets wrote:
Seriously, it seems that people who put all their time into painting think that others without such time should be obligated to do it. That seems very elitist and neckbeardy to me... Thoughts?

If I may counter a question with a question.

Why do you infer that those who refuse to play with (or against) unpainted armies are elitist, neckbeards, angry, or have alot of time on their hands? I'm none of those things, yet I've chosen with my very limited playing time to spend it playing against painted armies on good terrain.

If you come to our club you'll find a welcoming group of gamers with real life responsibilities, a few beards (well groomed) and if you don't have figs for a given game, you'll be loaned an army to play with. What you won't find on our tables is a single unpainted miniature.

I can't speak for everyone, but many of us "painted only" folks were drawn to the game by the "spectacle of painted armies". For us, painted armies are integral to the gaming experience. Without painted armies, it's just not much fun. Luckily it's a big enough hobby that those who put a priority on paint and those who don't can each find like-minded folks to game with.

So, Keeper of Secrets,
The next time someone turns you down for a game because your army isn't painted, they might not be an angry, elitist, neckbeard, with gobs of spare time. They might just be someone who enjoys the hobby in a different way than you do. Try not to judge them, and just go find someone else to play with...

...or paint your army.

 necrondog99 wrote:
This thread again. Look, I didn't have a problem with unpainted armies until some git face on this site called me elitist because I insist on painting my own army. Now I resent unpainted armies. If you don't want to paint your stuff fine. Effort matters. Standards are good, especially when you hold yourself to them. Do you want to eat meals that the cook doesn't put effort into? Do you want to have sex with a woman who isn't putting effort into it? Makes life bland. I get to play 40K about once a month if I am lucky, due to work and family. My stuff is painted and I like it when my opponents is painted as well.

-J

You have your comparisons wrong.
I would have sex with a girl who dressed badly, though is willing to "play"
I would eat a delicious meal that tastes good, over one that is presented nicely.
Would I prefer the girl had sexy undies, rather then grandma bog catchers? Yes.
Would I prefer my chocolate desert to be in the shape of the Eiffel tower? Sure, why not? But not by far a necessity.

Why do people who don't paint their armies get so angry with people who like to play with painted armies not liking to play with unpainted armies?