Bad choice for executioner?

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**Stonerhino**

The Wolf then replies with what happened with Prospero. Then threatens Guilliman.

But none of that matters when the point was Guilliman stating that the Wolf's role as the Sanction was well known in 30k.

**Omegus**

It was more along the lines of, "No, we serve more, and that's the end of it."

Someone once on these forums described the Space Wolves as hipsters. Oh, our psychic powers are different from others, you probably haven't heard of it. Oh, our borderline heretical belief system is complicated, you probably haven't heard of it. Our loyal service is more loyal and more of service than yours, you wouldn't have heard of it.

**Jayden63**

Stonerhino wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
I've really never liked the "Executioner" aspect of the SW's put forth on the HH books. It feels hamfisted, at odds with many of their other aspects, and contributes greatly to the current negative perception of their fluff, largely because they try to be too many (and often contradictory) things at once and come off looking goofy because of it.
That's because the Wolves are changing with the story. At first they are the "We do what needs to be no matter what" in Prospero Burns. Then in Scars Russ makes the declaration that he will only ever follow the Emperor, not a proxy like Horus. Then In Battle of the Fang we see them change again to losing some of their headlong charge at the enemy. And finally we see them take the role of "Self appointed protector of their allies, even against other allies if needs be. If it is the right thing to do". In the Emperor's Gift.

So you have to put into context what point in their changing idealogy you are looking at.

As far as saying that The Executioner title was self appointed. You have to remember that Malcador calls Russ that when talking to Dorn in Scars. Then in Unremembered Empire Guilliman says that the Wolves are well known as the "Sanction".

The Wolves of the 41st are very different than the Wolves of the 31st. Where many of the other chapters have more or less stayed the same over the years. Its one of the things that I see get crossed over a lot and leads to quite a bit of misunderstanding.

**Stonerhino**

Omegus wrote:
It was more along the lines of, "No, we serve more, and that's the end of it."

Someone once on these forums described the Space Wolves as hipsters. Oh, our psychic powers are different from others, you probably haven't heard of it. Oh, our borderline heretical belief system is complicated, you probably haven't heard of it. Our loyal service is more loyal and more of service than yours, you wouldn't have heard of it.

What is interest about that exchange is that there is an undercurrent. Where Guilliman shows that he has great respect and maybe even great understand of the Space Wolves. Look at how he changes his leadership style when dealing with the Space Wolves. For example when he allows the Wolves to follow him out to meet the Lion. He acts more like a ranking Space Wolves; then Master of the 500 Worlds.

**chyron**

Pilau Rice wrote:

Yep, we know that losing Angron wouldn't have made a difference as ADB kinda makes that clear throughout, why didn't he pick up on that when trying to write the scene. His intention failed to hit the mark, heck, why even bother writing the scene at all? Did it really need to be done, wasn't the fact that the World Eaters had been sanctioned by the Emperor enough?

From Lorgar's reaction - this never was about World Eaters Legion, it about Angron.

It's just that Russ sadly overestimated comprehension capability of one receiving the lesson. And thus Lorgar was forced to "save" his brother the way he did.

**Omegus**

Angron understood just fine, he just didn't care. He didn't want to be one of the Emperor's wind-up soldiers, he just wanted to quiet the buzzing in his brain.

Russ and his Wolves committed similar atrocities as the World Eaters, his objection was that Angron did this whenever he wanted to/all the time, rather that when directed to do so.