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New to the forum but thought I'd start with a bang here's the fluff for my "ice kings" (will be GW models eventually will have painting log )
Ice kings of Carib -
In ancient times elves explorers of The abyss get lost and forgotten it is never mentioned as would weaken the The elven empire. When they got near the sea the we're attacked by unknown hooded , truth is they were injected by the great tomb king Arkhan the Black of Nehekhara. They created a new undead race called the ice kings, ice looking tomb kings with killer penguins almost always at their feet. They were led by the almighty leader Alexander Mulloway part of the Elven tribe of the Phoenix based in lustria, he lead the investigation as he always had an interest in this mysterious land. He was one of the first to be attacked, the rest of the army is very elitist consisting of caskets embroided with ice based images. When Arkhan heard of his success he welcomed his new breed openly however his people were worried about the power this elitist tribe of Nehekhara was allowed. Many years later and they are still welcomed this time they are the Slave Masters of the kingdom holding all types of races mostly including their fellow undead vampire counts are tortured, the curse of the Abyss

Criticisms welcome

No reply :p

In 430 bc roman explorers of Antarctica

of England

None of these concepts exist in WHFB.

You could make ice skeletons using the existing fluff and fit it in. I think it would be harder to actually paint/sculpt them. You would probably have to use light blue and white and snow shavings. Other people might have suggestions. But considering they are usually horde troops, that's a lot of custom painting for a lot of models. Maybe you could just do it with the front row and give everyone else a quick spray.

Not much is known about the south in WHFB. I guess there is a continent there. I guess it is chaos-y because the Old Ones' portal collapsed there too.

But you should incorporate the fluff of the existing universe. There's no romans, bc, antarctica, england. Though there are some rough WHFB equivalents.

 DukeRustfield wrote:

In 430 bc roman explorers of Antarctica

of England

None of these concepts exist in WHFB.

You could make ice skeletons using the existing fluff and fit it in. I think it would be harder to actually paint/sculpt them. You would probably have to use light blue and white and snow shavings. Other people might have suggestions. But considering they are usually horde troops, that's a lot of custom painting for a lot of models. Maybe you could just do it with the front row and give everyone else a quick spray.

Not much is known about the south in WHFB. I guess there is a continent there. I guess it is chaos-y because the Old Ones' portal collapsed there too.

But you should incorporate the fluff of the existing universe. There's no romans, bc, antarctica, england. Though there are some rough WHFB equivalents.

true dat aha Romans - Elves could change it to abyss

1.) No Polar Bears in the Antarctic
2.) Roman Empire started 27 BC, Roman Republic 509-27 BC, before that a Kingdom. What you usually mean by Roman Legions is how they looked 50BC-100AD (Caesar, Augustus etc).
3.) Penguins might be a quick joke, but probably annoying after the second or third game.
4.) Better make it Ice undead with inspiration from Game of Thrones or others.

 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) No Polar Bears in the Antarctic
2.) Roman Empire started 27 BC, Roman Republic 509-27 BC, before that a Kingdom. What you usually mean by Roman Legions is how they looked 50BC-100AD (Caesar, Augustus etc).
3.) Penguins might be a quick joke, but probably annoying after the second or third game.
4.) Better make it Ice undead with inspiration from Game of Thrones or others.

1 is correct however 2 is actually right however I've fixed the fluff and 3 I would never tire of penguins have you seen my name 4 I haven't actually seen or read game of thrones however it is at the top of my reading list.

3.) ... probably annoying to your opponents after the second or third game.

Game of Thrones:
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/White_Walkers

I thought about starting tomb kings and wanted a kind of Iceland themed army so i was going to spray me skellies black and give it a ice blue dry brush to in fact copy the GOT's white walkers look.
However i'm doing the same idea but using it on Ogres.

The penguin is definitely a unique approach! there was a video not so long ago with BTP on youtube where Shawn who played lizardmen against his opponent whose Chaos army was a Gingerbread theme.
Nice enough and different but I just found the army boring to watch and to play against. (but thats just my opinion) I'm sure the owner enjoyed it every much! but thats just each to their own.

 DukeRustfield wrote:

In 430 bc roman explorers of Antarctica

of England

None of these concepts exist in WHFB.

You could make ice skeletons using the existing fluff and fit it in. I think it would be harder to actually paint/sculpt them. You would probably have to use light blue and white and snow shavings. Other people might have suggestions. But considering they are usually horde troops, that's a lot of custom painting for a lot of models. Maybe you could just do it with the front row and give everyone else a quick spray.

Not much is known about the south in WHFB. I guess there is a continent there. I guess it is chaos-y because the Old Ones' portal collapsed there too.

But you should incorporate the fluff of the existing universe. There's no romans, bc, antarctica, england. Though there are some rough WHFB equivalents.

I'm sorry Duke, But Albion IS England.

Yes, but its called Albion, not England.

And there is not, nor was there ever, a Roman empire equivalent in the Warhammer World.

The first great human civilization was Nehekhara. Then at a later date Sigmar founded the Empire.

Not much is known about Cathey but they arose sometime after Nehekhara and before the Empire.

From looking through said posts I immediately think this is a troll post using Adventure Time as a backdrop Iceking and penguins ....... Really?

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes, but its called Albion, not England.

When I say Albion is England, I mean that Albion literally is England.

The Isle of Albion is the oldest name for Great Britain.


There are no Romans though.

Yes, I am aware that the island England is on was originally called Albion. But in Warhammer the island has never, nor will it ever be called, England.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes, I am aware that the island England is on was originally called Albion. But in Warhammer the island has never, nor will it ever be called, England.

A) Albion is the original name for Great Britain, and is still used today in some cases.

B) In the warhammer world, Albion is full of celtic warriors. As demonstrated by the Truthsayer.

 thedarkavenger wrote:


A) Albion is the original name for Great Britain, and is still used today in some cases.

So?

B) In the warhammer world, Albion is full of celtic warriors. As demonstrated by the Truthsayer.

Again, not ever going to be called England.

The word England originally came from Angle-land. Land of the Angles.

There are no Angles in Warhammer.

If I might offer some story-telling perspective:

- first, grammar and format will really help me understand what you've got going in your original post. Some of it is a little garbled, and I can't actually understand it. If you want, I can do some editing.

- second, there is a ton of preexisting content and literature in the Warhammer world. Before you go creating new stuff, try digging around; in the BRB, on a few Wiki pages, etc., and see if they've already got something similar to what you want to do.

- third, humor is a great tool of any piece of literature. The Warhammer world is so hopelessly grim that it's hard to take it seriously all the time.
With that said, humor will find its way into a game. If you want people to take the concept seriously, keep it serious; they'll tell jokes and laugh, and still be able to appreciate the work for what it is. If you build the jokes right into project, they'll have that same good time, but they won't be able to take the serious parts seriously.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
A) Albion is the original name for Great Britain, and is still used today in some cases.

England wasn't formed on the planet England in the solar system of England in the universe of England. If the map of Albion is exactly the same map down to the millimeter as England; if it has your favorite pub listed by name on your street corner and if you can go into that pub in the fluff and see that etched into one of the booths is your exact name where you left it; or even if there's a lady who rides around all dignified called the Queen of Albion/England, it's still not England. Because you will never dig up bones of dragons or Old Ones or Chaos Gods if you looked today, nor will you find the ancient relics of petroleum manufacturing plants listed in the warhammer fluff of some great technological civilization that died out long ago. I.e., it is not the future nor past England. It's just a map and a name. If they called it Los Angeles and then wrote all that fluff, it wouldn't have any connection to my city other than the name.

All of this vitriol in this thread is why new players are hard to come by. You old guard should step off the soap boxes and encourage his creativity by pointing out relative existing fluff instead of just shooting down his ideas.

Wow, I would never want to play with any of you if this is the way you treat people. I respect many of you for your knowledge of the game, but lay off the man.

As for the OP, go for it man. Its your money and your time, so if you want an army of killer penguins and pharoahs have at it! Definitely remember to contact tournament organizers before hand though and explain your army. Also make sure to keep the base sizes correct for anything you model differently as this makes it easier for TOs to give your army the ok!

If you just play with friends or at your local shop, then have fun with it man.

 DukeRustfield wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
A) Albion is the original name for Great Britain, and is still used today in some cases.

England wasn't formed on the planet England in the solar system of England in the universe of England. If the map of Albion is exactly the same map down to the millimeter as England; if it has your favorite pub listed by name on your street corner and if you can go into that pub in the fluff and see that etched into one of the booths is your exact name where you left it; or even if there's a lady who rides around all dignified called the Queen of Albion/England, it's still not England. Because you will never dig up bones of dragons or Old Ones or Chaos Gods if you looked today, nor will you find the ancient relics of petroleum manufacturing plants listed in the warhammer fluff of some great technological civilization that died out long ago. I.e., it is not the future nor past England. It's just a map and a name. If they called it Los Angeles and then wrote all that fluff, it wouldn't have any connection to my city other than the name.

My point wasn't that The nation of England is in Warhammer. Rather that the country is. If you want proof, it has an Isle of Wight(s), the Giant's Causeway, The (Yorkshire) Moors, and Stonehenge. Most of which would be in the correct place if you substituted the map with England.
Not to mention Albany, another name for Scotland, which is north of Albion. And Aeryn, which is roughly in the same position as Ireland, which is a Gaelic world.

Whilst England does't exist as a whole. The Country itself does, albeit in spirit.

And I echo that the OP should follow through with his idea. I want to see an undead army with giant penguins. Particularly a VC army with Penguins sliding around instead of Terrorgheists.

Mreh.

I said the stuff he could use instead. I don't think anyone screamed at him.

@Duke Rustfield: I do think that most of the criticisms were less constructive than they could have been.
My real issue with threads like this is that almost all of the responses tell the OP why they can't do this or shouldn't do that. The way I look at it, if you're not going to make a suggestion as to how it could work, what's the point.

@theFNGuy: ...pretty sure I offered a few options above, and did so without attacking anyone. Look into existing literature, keep the power of comedy versus drama in mind, etc. But there's no sense in denying it; until reading about a concept becomes easier, I can't offer much in the way of suggestions.
The most heated comments thus far in this thread were directed at other people's replies to the OP, not to the OP himself.

The thread got derailed about whether anyone cares if brits wrote warhammer or whatever. But the first response says yeah, it doesn't exist, but you can use other stuff in the fluff. That's the first post.

A list of potential animals for special characters
Cow
Skunk
Puffin
Zebra
Penguin
Koala

Work on the warsphinx will include a greenstuff moulded penguin face expect to see something in 2-3 weeks.

Ushabiti will be penguin skeletons with one arm magnetised to choose from great bows/great weapons.

Calm down there, Mr!

Also, using animals as special characters? Really?
'Yeah, this is my cow with a great weapon, heavy armor, dragonbane helmet and the Trickster's Shard'.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Calm down there, Mr!

Also, using animals as special characters? Really?
'Yeah, this is my cow with a great weapon, heavy armor, dragonbane helmet and the Trickster's Shard'.

Cows maybe not however

Let's try to be more constructive with our feedback--and if you feel someone has attacked you personally, the right thing to do is report it to a Mod--not respond in kind. Thanks.

Ryan

Agreed.

A question for the OP: after reading your initial idea, I thought that you were going for a serious possible edition to the existing Warhammer literature.
Are you, or is your idea more of an outright comedy?
I'm not saying one is better than the other (though see my first post about in-game humor), I just don't know what kind of suggestions I should make until I know that.

Warpsolution wrote:
Agreed.

A question for the OP: after reading your initial idea, I thought that you were going for a serious possible edition to the existing Warhammer literature.
Are you, or is your idea more of an outright comedy?
I'm not saying one is better than the other (though see my first post about in-game humor), I just don't know what kind of suggestions I should make until I know that.

A mix of both I don't want my army to be so serious it's not fun however I don't want people to take it as a joke.

Well, like I said above: a serious army will not prohibit the use of humor in a game.

But an army with built-in jokes will essentially prevent people from taking it seriously.

That's just how humor, and in general, tone and mood, work.

I still don't know if it's a serious post, but doomdivers and mushroom eaters and mangler squigs are totally silly.