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It gets more and more blatent with this administration. Imagine the outcry if he said something similar about black people:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/18/duncan-takes-heat-over-description-common-core-foes-as-white-suburban-moms/

My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.

Arnie Duncan is white. Calling him a racist for talking about white moms is basically saying he's a self-hating white person.

Though, hey, maybe he is.

I be irate if he had said "Soccer Moms"

It cuts both ways, though. If he said something along the lines of "Don't pay it any mind, it's just black moms complaining..." people would be up in arms.

If I were going to characterize Arne Duncan as anything, it would be "elitist" not "racist".

 DogofWar1 wrote:
Arnie Duncan is white. Calling him a racist for talking about white moms is basically saying he's a self-hating white person.

Though, hey, maybe he is.

Definition of racism for you:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

I met enough black people in New Orleans that were racist against blacks of darker skin color to know someone can be racist against their own color.

Have to admit. He's rocking that salt and pepper hair look

 Jihadin wrote:
I be irate if he had said "Soccer Moms"

That would have been a better turn of phrase.

 DogofWar1 wrote:
Arnie Duncan is white. Calling him a racist for talking about white moms is basically saying he's a self-hating white person.

Though, hey, maybe he is.

Agreed.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 DogofWar1 wrote:
Arnie Duncan is white. Calling him a racist for talking about white moms is basically saying he's a self-hating white person.

Though, hey, maybe he is.

Agreed.

I refer you to my earlier post defining racism. This guy is in no uncertain terms totaly dismissing parent's objections, using their race as a factor.

Relapse wrote:

Definition of racism for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
I met enough black people in New Orleans that were racist against blacks of darker skin color to know someone can be racist against their own color.

Ok, let's grab that definition of racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Duncan didn't make any comments concerning race in terms of capabilities of people, nor was he saying anything prejudiced against whites.

He made a silly generalization about what groups oppose education standards, but it's pretty tough to tie statements aimed at white suburban moms as referring to the entire white population, considering many whites aren't suburban or moms.

If you had characterized his comments as sexist, you'd have more ammo.

When the evidence of outrage is a petition with a whopping 2,000 signatures, and a quote from Michelle Malkin, it should become clear that not even Republicans can pretend to give a gak about this.


And if you actually read what he said and the surrounding comments, he's talking about people who are threatened that the school district they bought in to isn't as good as they had thought. In that context white doesn't actually make much sense, because lots of white people don't do that, because they're not middle class, and lots of black people do do it, because they are middle class. The guy is actually using 'white' instead of 'middle class'. Which is, if we were to really stretch things to try and make some kind of news story about this, an indication that the guy still thinks in terms of 'white = middle class' and 'black = working class'.

Of course, that doesn't suit the pretend outrage of the FOX news crowd though, who are desperate to find something, anything that lets them think that white people are oppressed, so that's ignored.

But this is all so stupid.

 DogofWar1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Definition of racism for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
I met enough black people in New Orleans that were racist against blacks of darker skin color to know someone can be racist against their own color.

Ok, let's grab that definition of racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Duncan didn't make any comments concerning race in terms of capabilities of people, nor was he saying anything prejudiced against whites.

He made a silly generalization about what groups oppose education standards, but it's pretty tough to tie statements aimed at white suburban moms as referring to the entire white population, considering many whites aren't suburban or moms.

If you had characterized his comments as sexist, you'd have more ammo.

The is also the definition from Webster:



: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others

I would say his offhand statement that it's just a bunch of white suburban soccer moms complaining rates as bad treatment. Definitly true about the sexist point, also. People complained about Romney being out of touch with his 47% comment, yet allowing this kind of statement to go by without thinking twice about it is fairly strange. Any Republican saying something like this would be getting dragged through the dirt by now.

 DogofWar1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Definition of racism for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
I met enough black people in New Orleans that were racist against blacks of darker skin color to know someone can be racist against their own color.

Ok, let's grab that definition of racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Duncan didn't make any comments concerning race in terms of capabilities of people, nor was he saying anything prejudiced against whites.

He made a silly generalization about what groups oppose education standards, but it's pretty tough to tie statements aimed at white suburban moms as referring to the entire white population, considering many whites aren't suburban or moms.

If you had characterized his comments as sexist, you'd have more ammo.

I can't believe that both of you have shown such a complete and thorough disability to actually look at a story objectively and realize what is really happening.

Racism? Sexism? I would laugh if I wasn't crushed by the loss of my faith in the ability of the human race to actually read a story and be able to determine what is actually happening. I can't believe that you guys are both just sitting here concentrating on -isms just because you both fail to peel back the layers and realize what the real problem is.

Clearly it is class warfare

 d-usa wrote:


I can't believe that both of you have shown such a complete and thorough disability to actually look at a story objectively and realize what is really happening.

Racism? Sexism? I would laugh if I wasn't crushed by the loss of my faith in the ability of the human race to actually read a story and be able to determine what is actually happening. I can't believe that you guys are both just sitting here concentrating on -isms just because you both fail to peel back the layers and realize what the real problem is.

Clearly it is class warfare

Okay... that was good d...

 d-usa wrote:

 DogofWar1 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Definition of racism for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
I met enough black people in New Orleans that were racist against blacks of darker skin color to know someone can be racist against their own color.

Ok, let's grab that definition of racism:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Duncan didn't make any comments concerning race in terms of capabilities of people, nor was he saying anything prejudiced against whites.

He made a silly generalization about what groups oppose education standards, but it's pretty tough to tie statements aimed at white suburban moms as referring to the entire white population, considering many whites aren't suburban or moms.

If you had characterized his comments as sexist, you'd have more ammo.

I can't believe that both of you have shown such a complete and thorough disability to actually look at a story objectively and realize what is really happening.

Racism? Sexism? I would laugh if I wasn't crushed by the loss of my faith in the ability of the human race to actually read a story and be able to determine what is actually happening. I can't believe that you guys are both just sitting here concentrating on -isms just because you both fail to peel back the layers and realize what the real problem is.

Clearly it is class warfare

Once again, d-usa cuts directly to the heart of the matter.

Whew. I feel better now with a certain collection of DVD's I have now....politics and porn don't mix....

 Cheesecat wrote:
My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.

People like you are disgusting.

Racism is racism, period. It doesn't matter what color you are. As soon as everyone can accept that, the quicker it will dissapear.

Arne Duncan is a fool that hasn't ever had his own classroom and the exact opposite of the type of person that should be making education decisions in this country.

As to common core: Just give this a listen if you haven't seen it already.

 djones520 wrote:
Racism is racism, period.

Boiling racism down to a collection of magic words that cannot be said, and ignoring the real impacts systemic racism has on people's lives is inane.

In effect, you end up pretending that one person can say the n word while someone else can't is an issue equal to black people earning on average about 2/3 of what white people earn.


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 cincydooley wrote:
Arne Duncan is a fool that hasn't ever had his own classroom and the exact opposite of the type of person that should be making education decisions in this country.

Thing is, I think common core, and the general idea of education solutions should be imposed from a bureaucracy above, are straight up bad ideas.

Which is a large part of why pretend contraversies like 'he said white' are so fething annoying. There's a real issue here that needs to be discussed.

 sebster wrote:


Thing is, I think common core, and the general idea of education solutions should be imposed from a bureaucracy above, are straight up bad ideas.

Which is a large part of why pretend contraversies like 'he said white' are so fething annoying. There's a real issue here that needs to be discussed.

This is getting weird, but I couldn't agree more.

 djones520 wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.

People like you are disgusting.

Racism is racism, period. It doesn't matter what color you are. As soon as everyone can accept that, the quicker it will dissapear.

My point isn't that racism isn't bad my point it is that white people on average are not as effected as negatively as other races (at least in Canada and the US), if you want to look at real racial issues how about racial profiling of blacks by police, the earning inequalities of different races, laws

involving first nations, racial profiling of brown people by airports, Islamophobia, mistreatment of Filipino live-in care givers in Canada, black women who spend thousands of dollars to make the hair look like a white person's hair, etc not some guy making an awkward comment about white

soccer moms. At some point white people have to quit being phony about race and admit that being white just makes life easier (at least in Canada and the US) we dominate pretty much every industry like entertainment, politics, corporations, etc. Btw, that's not to say whites aren't effected

by racism but you have to be delusional to think that racism that effects whites is on the same level as other races (at least in Canada and the US) or that all forms of racism are equally bad as one and other.

So some racism is okay. Got it.

When did airports become sentient and start racially profiling people, friggin skynet is here allready.

Lets get right down to it people. All people are racist. Anyone who thinks white people are the only racist people clearly has not worked as a minority in a workplace...get out more. I had years of people calling me white scum to my face.

 Cheesecat wrote:
My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.

Summed on second post.

 sebster wrote:
The guy is actually using 'white' instead of 'middle class'.

Excellent point there, too.

Have fun moderating this thread
Edit

Being the US Military is "Zero Tolerance"

The comments in this thread about racism against whites or sexism being a non issue totaly justify that guy pretending he was black to win an election.

I was hoping I'd see some hypocritical social justice warriors in this thread. I wasn't disappointed.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I was hoping I'd see some hypocritical social justice warriors in this thread. I wasn't disappointed.

Doncha know nothing that was said against white people or women was wrong because it came down from Obama's crew?