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Ok so army list goes like this:

CSM
HQ:
D.Prince + DON + wings + p.armor + 3 mlvls + Black mace 340
D.Prince + DON + wings + p.armor + 3 mlvls + BboS 325

Troops:
Cultists x 10 + flamer 55
Cultists x 10 + flamer 55

Fast attack:
Baledrake 170

C.Daemons allied detachment:
HQ:
Fateweaver 300

Troops:
Plague Bearers x 10 90

Fast attack:
Flesh hounds of khorne x 10 160

Heavy support:
D.Prince + DOT + wings + p.armor + 3 mlvs + exalted + greater reward 355

What do you think? Tzeentch DP take Grimoire. Do you think it's solid? I'll have to play 3 games with this list.
Please comment and critisism will help a lot.

Well, 4 flying monstrous creatures and a bale drake should give your opponents something to think about.

Overall, however, I'd say that your ground game looks a little weak, which is something which your opponents may choose to exploit.

It is somewhat difficult to give anything more than generalities without some idea of who you are facing.

Do you have some idea of which armies you are likely to face?

I have no idea really. Though it's a tourney with money for prize (that can be used to buy stuff from the LGS so.. I guess that I will surely see current meta lists. I guess necrons, eldar, CSM and SM. But to be clear I ll play with strangers so...

I agree with Chaos Legionnaire, the ground forces of this are incredibly weak. With them gone you won't be able to hold objectives.

So what can I possibly do? I have almost everything to play so gimme some advice. Still I would like to build this list around MC..

I think you could stand to drop a demon prince and fill out your troops some more. More plague bearers and probs a scoring unit in a rhino to claim middle objectives

Grimoire is hard to keep safe, but I understand wanting FW in an allied detachment.

It's much safer to run a Mini-star when using Allies. Sure, you don't have the grimoire re-roll, but the points saved are great. Basically that means just taking 1 Herald of Tz to Grimoire up with, 10 horrors and 7-9 Screamers. It's inexpensive enough that you can spend more points on your primary detachment of CSM. It sure does suck when that Grimoire prince gets knocked out of the sky by a drop pod storm bolter. You can hide the Herald better, and at worst he'll be buffing your CSM and/or using Scryer's Gaze if you don't get Forwarning.

Since you only have one drake I'd just use Codex: Chaos Daemons as primary and run your princes as heavy support choices. They are much better as ML: 3 when they don't have to roll on the CSM god tables when chasing Iron Arm.

You could still ally in a prince with Black Mace to get a Heldrake.

So how about using something like this:
CD main
HQ:
FW 300
D.Prince + nurgle + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + exalted + greater 345
<--grimoire here

Troops:
Plaguebearersx10 90
Plaguebearersx10 90

Heavy:
D.Prince + tzeentch + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + 2x greater 345

CSM allied detachment:
HQ:
D.Prince + nurgle + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + black mace 340

Troops:
Cultistsx10 50

Fast attack:
Baledrake 170

This is at 1730, what can I add to go at 1850. Is this better than the previous? Probably I can go for another p.bearers squad and maybe some cultists?



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For more cheese I can go like this:
CD main
HQ:
FW 300
GUO + 2mlvls + greater 235

Troops:
Plaguebearersx10 90
Plaguebearersx10 90

Heavy:
D.Prince + tzeentch + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + 1x greater 325

D.Prince + nurgle + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + exalted(grimoire) 325

CSM allied detachment:
HQ:
Abby 265

Troops:
Cultistsx10 50

Fast attack:
Baledrake 170

Opinions on this? 1850 total

I think that Abby seems rather out of place, to be honest. Especially since, for his cost, you could nearly buy 3 more squads of plague bearers.
This would make your overall strategy look something like this:

Get your fast units in your opponents' faces and keep them busy for the first several turns. Drake burns enemies off of objectives.
Plague bearers and cultists hold objectives.

At least in my meta, 1850 tournament games rarely get past turn 4 before time is called, so it could work...theoretically.

CD main
HQ:
FW 300
D.Prince + nurgle + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + exalted + greater 345
<--grimoire here

Troops:
Plaguebearersx10 90
Plaguebearersx10 90

Heavy:
D.Prince + tzeentch + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + 2x greater 345

CSM allied detachment:
HQ:
D.Prince + nurgle + wings + p.armor + 3mlvls + black mace 340

Troops:
Cultistsx10 50

Fast attack:
Baledrake 170

This is 1730' I can drop black mace and a greater reward and add a nurgle grinder with phlegm.
Or, I can simply add one more cultist squad. Or plague bearers, and keep the mace.

I say keep the mace and add plague bearers.

If your soul grinder is your only non-flying vehicle, I wouldn't expect it to last long.

Plus, more troops is a good thing.

^ His advice is definitely on-point.

Ok then. + 10 plague bearers, and I ll make the cultists 16 and I m done at 1850. Btw you are right. Either you need two or three grinders or not at all. Thanks for the help and for your time guys. You ve been really helpful.

Glad to help.
Just one more thing that you might want to try.

Get rid of the DP in the daemon heavy slot.

Move the grimoire DP from HQ down to the heavy slot.

Now fill in that open HQ slot with a Lord of Change.

For the cost (345 pts) of that prince that you replaced, you can build a MUCH more powerful Lord of Change. As an added benefit, he will have excellent shooting and divination powers to buff your units and weaken your foes. I see great synergy here.

Another option to consider since you're doing CSM as allies is making them the BL supplement. That way you can give the DP a spineshiver blade (not nearly as good as the black mace) and the skull of kergnr so he will have EW.

 Chaos Legionnaire wrote:
Glad to help.
Just one more thing that you might want to try.

Get rid of the DP in the daemon heavy slot.

Move the grimoire DP from HQ down to the heavy slot.

Now fill in that open HQ slot with a Lord of Change.

For the cost (345 pts) of that prince that you replaced, you can build a MUCH more powerful Lord of Change. As an added benefit, he will have excellent shooting and divination powers to buff your units and weaken your foes. I see great synergy here.

The Grimoire DP is HQ and has the DON rule so due to FW being tzeentch he can't move to heavy slot. The idea though of removing one nurgle DP and getting a LOC is not bad. However I still need to find out where to give grimoire. Probably LOC is the most suitable. 4++, maybe 2 greater gifts, rerollable 1s from tzeentch and 3 lvls of Div. Yes please! You ve made me have thoughts...

@chillis: That is also a nice idea mate, still gets the d6 attacks + 1I, and all this at 30pts. Not bad. Still the problem is how to fix up my main list to main effectiveness. Csm detachment is already fixed so the choice on the daemon weapon can me made dependind on the pts I want to save. Don't forget that black mace can kill EW models. Fun times!

I ve come up with a new idea for my list. I was thinking to mix herald/screamer + FMCs. So this is what I came up.
Main detachment:
HQ:
Fateweaver 300
Herald+3mlvl+disc+exalted(grimoire) 150
Herald+3mlvl+disc+exalted(portalglyph)+locus of conjuration 175

Troops:
Plaguebearersx10 90
Plaguebearersx10 90

Fast:
Screamersx5 125

Heavy:
Daemon prince+DoT+wings+p.armor+3mlvl+2xgreater 345

Csm allies:
HQ:
Daemon prince+nurgle+wings+p.armor+3mlvl+black mace 345

Troops:
Cultistsx12+flamer+shotgun(last points) 65

Fast:
Baledrake 170

Ideas? Thoughts? Better to leave a DP of nurgle for a smaller screamer-star?