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This is half based on what I like, half based on what I have, so don't go crazy suggesting all kinds of substitutions. I'm primarily looking for suggestions on upgrades and which list piques your interest. They aren't quite the conventional Eldar lists you see floating around these days, but they are also not particularly unorthodox (it's no monstrous reiteration of Avatars, Rangers, Harlequins, and Hemlock Wraithfighters)

List 1

Autarch (125)
-Jetbike
-Shard of Anaris

(3x) 6 Jetbikes (366)
-2 Shuriken Cannons

10 Guardian Defenders (235)
-Shuriken Cannon
-Wave Serpent
--TL Scatter Lasers
--Holo-Field

6 Shining Spears (185)
-Exarch
--Star Lance
--Hit and Run

6 Warp Spiders (139)
-Exarch
--TL Death Spinner
--Fast Shot

(3x) Falcon (450)
-Scatter Laser
-Holo-Field

1500

List 2

Autarch (135)
-Jetbike
-Laser Lance
-Shard of Anaris

Farseer (160)
-Mantle of the Laughing God
-Jetbike
-Singing Spear

(3x) 6 Jetbikes (366)
-2 Shuriken Cannons

6 Shining Spears (190)
-Exarch
--Star Lance
--Hit and Run
--Monster Hunter

6 Warp Spiders (139)
-Exarch
--TL Death Spinner
--Fast Shot

(3x) Falcon (510)
-Scatter Laser
-Holo-Field
-Shuriken Cannon
-Spirit Stones

1500

List 3

Farseer (160)
-Mantle of the Laughing God
-Jetbike
-Singing Spear

(3x) 6 Jetbikes (366)
-2 Shuriken Cannons

6 Shining Spears (185)
-Exarch
--Star Lance
--Hit and Run

6 Striking Scorpions (142)
-Exarch
--Scorpion’s Claw

6 Warp Spiders (139)
-Exarch
--TL Death Spinner
--Fast Shot

(3x) Falcon (510)
-Scatter Laser
-Holo-Field
-Shuriken Cannon
-Spirit Stones

1502

I feel like the Falcons may have too many upgrades in the second two lists, but when I go for the under-slung cannon, the stones become almost necessary in my mind. My overall tactics will lean towards avoiding danger and isolating soft targets. The Autarch goes with the Shining Spears and used in conjunction with the Warp Spiders as backfield harassment and distraction. The striking scorpions would probably be held back as a counter assault force/speed bump for units that aggressively advance on my jetbikes.

I like the first list but feel strange fielding an Eldar army without any psykers. I like the third list, but feel like the Shining Spears need a little extra punch to be a real threat. List 2 is the most upgrade heavy and has the smallest model count, but when your active strategy is to stay out of combat for the most part, that's not necessarily bad.

Any upgrades I'm taking that I shouldn't? Any that I'm not taking that I should? I can substitute as many Harlequins into this force as you think I should. But I'm trying to build a different sort of army at the moment. Other than that, I have some Rangers. And Avatars. And Hemlock Wraithfighters...



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Alright, a more specific question for you all: In List 1, does it make sense to pay the points to put that Shuriken Cannon in the Guardian squad?

If I cut that, I could put Monster Hunter back on the Shining Spears Exarch and give the Autarch a Laser Lance which is nice to have depending on the situation. Or should I put those points to use somewhere else?

Is not having a Farseer in List 1 as big a problem as I think it is? I haven't played a ton of 6th Edition games. But I've been playing since 2nd edition, and I've never had an Autarch as my lone HQ.

Well, Shining Spears and Falcons are mediocre units I wouldn't run in a competitive setting.

Yeah, I know Shining Spears have always had a poor reputation. But I think in this edition, with this particular codex, they are the best they have ever been, and I've always really wanted to field a space-elf cavalry army....

Falcons I think are actually still pretty good; they're just not Wave Serpent or Wraithknight good.

In every one of your lists, drop your warp spider exarch. For the price your paying, another regular spider does the job. Even 5 stock spiders can usually make their points back in spades.

Always give your autarch a second weapon(you do with the lance and shard) for 2 CCW, therefore +1 attack. Also consider a banshee mask, it is dirt cheap and means you almost always go first, or at least simultaneously if you charge into cover. Great way to boost your spears for cheap.

The mantleseer does not provide that much boost to your list. If you can't join the spears, buffing them is difficult. The falcons twin link themselves, and most other units are fast on their own, away from the seer. You could always drop the mantle and run the seer with the spears for more boosting and protection.

A shuricannon is good for mech guardians for several reasons. It provides more shuriken dakka if you pop out and shoot, it adds another body for cheap, gives you AT potential and can be used to tank saves if the serpent explodes. Although, the lance and monster hunter are also great additions.

The falcons really don't need the chin cannons or spirit stones. Holo fields are protection enough, and using the longer range of the other guns is your best bet. Letting enemies get 24" away is not the best thing for a gun tank, let alone any closer. Stones are OK, but not great.

Hey, thanks for weighing in!

Dropping the Warp Spider Exarch huh? I would have never thought of that. I sort of default to the idea that the best part of an Aspect unit is the Exarch. But that is an alluring idea...

This might be more of a rules question, but I thought the Autarch already got +1 attacks for 2 CCWs because of his shuriken pistol?

Another question: I had thought about the Banshee mask, and I might put that back in, it's a good idea. But, doesn't the Autarch benefit from his plasma grenades, regarding charging through cover? Or do you not get that bonus if you're on a bike? I know the rules okay, but I'm still learning, and I miss some small stuff like that from time to time.

Maybe I will go with some version of List 1 then, since you seem to be confirming my suspicion that the Farseer isn't doing much for the other lists. But that just makes me feel like the whole army is doing something wrong if it can't put a Farseer to much use.

Regarding putting him in with the Shining Spears, it would make them tougher, but having two HQs in that one unit would make it a prime target, and they aren't THAT tough or dangerous, or am I thinking about this the wrong way?

Exarchs are generally a good buy for the points, but the spider exarch is usually overkill. TL BS5 shooting is meh, even with fast shot. Fast shot is really good, but for the cost of a fast shot exarch, you get another spider. Bit less shooting and BS4 over BS5, but another body.

The autarch only has a pistol, but the shard must replace a CCW, meaning your pistol. Hence, most people buy a chainsword to swap, or a laser lance and swap the pistol. The banshee mask is just nice to have against other high I armies(deamons, dark eldar, etc) and the whole squad gains the benefit. The autarch gets the benefit of plasma grenades, but the squad will not meaning the spears strike at I1 if they charge through cover. The mask means you at least go at the same time, but you still only want to charge into cover in a pinch. The mask is just nice if you want to charge something nasty, as you will always get the first shot with the Exarch&autarch, striking same time with spears if you charge an I10 enemy.

The farseer just can't benefit that much with guide/prescience. Ideally you want other powers, but when you take a seer you always know you may roll terrible on the chart(death mission!) and be forced to take the primaris. A seer in a spear squad is an excellent boost with prescience, but has other uses. It does make the unit tougher and a bigger target, so if your worried about diversifying your threats I understand just spending the points elsewhere. Neither is the wrong answer.

dont gio with list one, it has 3 falcons!!!!
wave serpents are better than falcons in basically everyway. (better transport, better firepower with tanks, better vs infintry) and its also cheaper! repalce thoser falcons with eather fireprisms or wave serpents.

Shining Spears also require Monster Hunter.

Require I guess is a strong word...but should heavily heavily consider.

Monster Hunter Lances and Shuriken Catapults are mean.

Oh and thanks for actually thinking when you build a list. Don't let the "meta" ruin your brain.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
dont gio with list one, it has 3 falcons!!!!
wave serpents are better than falcons in basically everyway. (better transport, better firepower with tanks, better vs infintry) and its also cheaper! repalce thoser falcons with eather fireprisms or wave serpents.

Did you even read the OP's post? Are you just trolling? He literally said he did not want suggestions on substitutions and that he was basing this off of what he had. I've seen you do this a lot on the forums dude - you seem to think that Eldar can only be played with maxed waveserpents, warwalkers and/or wraithknights (stock only of course!), but maybe you should be adjusting your view of the army rather than pushing your view where it's unwanted.

In response to the original post, I honestly think that whichever of those three you ran would be fine. They're similar enough that the upgrades are situation. I think you should stick with the warpspider exarch though - he could give you some survivability if they're charged by a character, and it's always fun IMO to have a central model in a unit to base it around in terms of painting/formation (more of a fluff side of things).

I like your list, although if you're looking to expand I'd consider dropping the striking scorpions in favor of something else. This list seems to be itching for some fire dragons, as they can provide some great anti tank, although if you want to stay with the same models as you said I think any of the three would work well. My personal favorite is list 2.

TouchDown wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
dont gio with list one, it has 3 falcons!!!!
wave serpents are better than falcons in basically everyway. (better transport, better firepower with tanks, better vs infintry) and its also cheaper! repalce thoser falcons with eather fireprisms or wave serpents.

Did you even read the OP's post? Are you just trolling? He literally said he did not want suggestions on substitutions and that he was basing this off of what he had. I've seen you do this a lot on the forums dude - you seem to think that Eldar can only be played with maxed waveserpents, warwalkers and/or wraithknights (stock only of course!), but maybe you should be adjusting your view of the army rather than pushing your view where it's unwanted.

yes i read the op. He says its half based on what he likes and half based on wht he has, so dont get crazy substutions.
Using falcons as waveserpents isnt a crazy substitution. I have done it before. Eldar can be played any way they want, but the most competitive way is with wave serpents (i dont run them maxed, so dont know where that came from) war walkers are great, and i dont max them either. I rarely suggest wraithknights, and even rairer do I say stock is the only way. I love the suncannon, it just doesnt complement most lists.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
dont gio with list one, it has 3 falcons!!!!
wave serpents are better than falcons in basically everyway. (better transport, better firepower with tanks, better vs infintry) and its also cheaper! repalce thoser falcons with eather fireprisms or wave serpents.

Actually, every list has three falcons! ( I only have one wave serpent that I just picked up for cheap....) I've considered fireprisms, but I think the falcons actually work better here, since I need some kind of AA (I know they aren't great, but they can fill multiple roles as decent anti-MC's, anti-medium/light vehicles, and okay AA although I've never played a game against flyers to-date). Heldrakes are going to ruin my list no matter what I do if what I've heard is true. But it seems like no matter what you do these days you're going to have a bad match-up or two.


My falcons are all hold-overs from the days before there was a Wave Serpent model. They may not be the best, but I think they're still viable. And for my own personal preference, I like sticking to WYSIWYG as much as possible. Except where awesome counts-as themes are concerned.

@TouchDown

Thanks for looking this over. I do like the Exarch Warp Spider, but if I cut him, I can go with List 1 (I like having those guardians and I think the Wave Serpent will increase the survivability of the Falcons, but I've never used one so that's just speculation on my part) and give my Autarch that laser lance and the Spears can have Monster Hunter back.

I agree ductvader, monster hunter is huge, especially for buffing that Autarch should he end up in a challenge with an MC.

"Monster Hunter Lances and Shuriken Catapults are mean."

Also true. It's sort of a strange game mechanic that it might be better to shoot at MCs with the catapults instead of the lances because of what happens when you mix Monster Hunter and Bladestorm. Except that Star Lance. Love that Star Lance.

But I also like List 2. Eldar just seem so naked without a Farseer.

As far as adding things goes, I have an Exodite project planned in my head, but I might be open to adding a squad here or there. Fire Dragons? They're certainly awesome anti-tank, better than the Spears, but unless I'm facing a wall of AV 13/14, I'm hoping my Spears can fill that role. Maybe I'm being delusional....

Purple Saturday wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
dont gio with list one, it has 3 falcons!!!!
wave serpents are better than falcons in basically everyway. (better transport, better firepower with tanks, better vs infintry) and its also cheaper! repalce thoser falcons with eather fireprisms or wave serpents.

Actually, every list has three falcons! ( I only have one wave serpent that I just picked up for cheap....) I've considered fireprisms, but I think the falcons actually work better here, since I need some kind of AA (I know they aren't great, but they can fill multiple roles as decent anti-MC's, anti-medium/light vehicles, and okay AA although I've never played a game against flyers to-date). Heldrakes are going to ruin my list no matter what I do if what I've heard is true. But it seems like no matter what you do these days you're going to have a bad match-up or two.


My falcons are all hold-overs from the days before there was a Wave Serpent model. They may not be the best, but I think they're still viable. And for my own personal preference, I like sticking to WYSIWYG as much as possible. Except where awesome counts-as themes are concerned.

And that is totally fine

You are definitely correct though that the Wave Serpent is a sleek, superior machine.


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 ductvader wrote:

Oh and thanks for actually thinking when you build a list. Don't let the "meta" ruin your brain.

And I'm afraid I ruined my brain some years ago.

Purple Saturday wrote:


"Monster Hunter Lances and Shuriken Catapults are mean."

Also true. It's sort of a strange game mechanic that it might be better to shoot at MCs with the catapults instead of the lances because of what happens when you mix Monster Hunter and Bladestorm. Except that Star Lance. Love that Star Lance.

The catapults are especially good against those 2+ creatures but is aso decent in comparison to the lance due to superior range and twin linking with reroll for 6s. It'll kill most MCs...always throw the star lance though.

I tend to prescience this unit and wreck face.

I use them to "fill in the gaps" where my army needs more firepower.