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 Benamint wrote:
but there have been enough discussions cluttering the internet about this.

I feel the same way about Tau-bashing threads, too, but that doesn't stop people from making new threads literally every week reminding everyone that they're a "lame faction" and don't "fit in", does it?

Much like how those people are still holding out hope that Tau will get Squatted, after twelve fething years with no sign of them going anywhere, maybe if we hold our breath and stomp our feet long enough GW will finally listen and give us free models!

Anyway, personally I don't care how many pages of fluff there are, it's not worth $17 because none of it is actually "new", it's just a very lengthy re-telling of what we already know about the character purposely padded out to try and justify a higher price tag. He's still "shrouded in mystery" and we don't know any more about him than we already did, he's still doing the same gak he was before with no clear aim or goal...the 40k universe hasn't advanced at all with this release and we're all exactly where we were before so why does anyone care? I'm just curious, because I haven't heard a single person talk about the actual content of said fluff and instead use it's mere existence as justification for the money they spent, but is there really anything there that makes it worth buying for that alone? Or is it all regurgitated crap with some pointless "new" fluff that doesn't really add anything to the universe or deepen your understanding of the character (because that would ruin the myyysteryyyy!), like I suspect it is?

Humbug.

No kidding.

I wont claim I know how it works, but why in the blue feth is a digital copy more expensive and why is the british pound being used for price setting. Its not like its coming from a factory in England.

Pissed me off on Christmas, didn't that was possible GW, thanks donkey-caves.

Because GW's contempt for its own customers transcends even the holiday spirit.

 Grot 6 wrote:
as the old saying goes....

I don't think you know what your saying here.... BUT....


I'd honestly pay double the price of that book to see that.

See what? Grimdark bukkake? That's copyrighted by Lansirill, and you should be ashamed of yourself if YOU know what that means.

Next reference to that particular act will net someone a long vacation.

Everyone else - on topic, and Rule #1 - thanks!

 Ravenous D wrote:
No kidding.

I wont claim I know how it works, but why in the blue feth is a digital copy more expensive and why is the british pound being used for price setting. Its not like its coming from a factory in England.

Pissed me off on Christmas, didn't that was possible GW, thanks donkey-caves.

Because GW are a UK company and are doing there accounting in GBP. They will give the price to apple in GBP and apple will pay then in GBP. Apple therefor convert that to local currency and set the price. At current exchange rates £11.99 is CA$20.25. Rounded up is CA$20.99. Doesn't matter where it comes from, it matters what currency the company is working in. If they worked in local currency they would have exchange issues left right and centre.

It dose seem a little expensive IMO, but I like it. I will probably get some use out of it and it made a mini I own playable, but I just need to work out how. Possibly in a C:SM force using my DA minis as a loyalist fallen force. I like the idea of repentant fallen.

The currency theory seems sound, but apparently the Cypher rules are $17 US, but should be $20 (rounding up) by those standards.

That's based on a very quick search, so might not be accurate figures, but a 15% discrepancy in exchange rates takes some explaining away.

 azreal13 wrote:
The currency theory seems sound, but apparently the Cypher rules are $17 US, but should be $20 (rounding up) by those standards.

That's based on a very quick search, so might not be accurate figures, but a 15% discrepancy in exchange rates takes some explaining away.

Depending on where you are, you might be paying 8% sales tax so it makes it just a 7% discrepancy.

Still doesn't hold water, assuming the US$17 is correct.

 azreal13 wrote:
Still doesn't hold water, assuming the US$17 is correct.

There are two versions listed on iTunes that I can see.

The $19.99 "Interactive Edition" and the $16.99 "eBook Edition".

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 Sidstyler wrote:
Because GW's contempt for its own customers transcends even the holiday spirit.

Meanwhile Valve is giving away Left for Dead 2 for free on steam.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Still doesn't hold water, assuming the US$17 is correct.

There are two versions listed on iTunes that I can see.

The $19.99 "Interactive Edition" and the $16.99 "eBook Edition".

Ah ok, the UK interactive is £12, which ports more or less exactly to US$20, and CAN$22, so overpriced, yes, but equally overpriced for all.

Wait people still complaining about price? I mean some people are mocking or putting down people for buying something they want, yet they play with plastic toy soldiers that are over priced as well, if not even more than the data slates themselves.

Davor wrote:
Wait people still complaining about price? I mean some people are mocking or putting down people for buying something they want, yet they play with plastic toy soldiers that are over priced as well, if not even more than the data slates themselves.

I know right? It's like these people don't even want to participate in the best part of the GW hobby, buying things from GW

My main gripe is why they haven't reprinted the miniature on the website or used the repaint from the data slate online. It's a god awful job and doesn't sell the miniature at all!

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Because GW's contempt for its own customers transcends even the holiday spirit.

Meanwhile Valve is giving away Left for Dead 2 for free on steam.

Yeah, they're giving away a six-year-old product. GW digital should do the same with this new product. Because of reasons!

£10 is miles too expensive, though. When the other dataslates are like £2.50, it's not even consistent with them. They're trying to trade off on the popularity of the character, which all feels pretty sleazy. Ironically they've probably sunk a lot of that popularity by associating him with a dodgy price gouge.

I love the Cypher repaint. Puts the old one to shame.

 Bull0 wrote:
Yeah, they're giving away a six-year-old product. GW digital should do the same with this new product. Because of reasons!

Actually the product is kind of the same. The Cypher "book" might be a new product, but it's probably not a very profitable one. The content is pretty minimal, so unless GW sells it at a very low price most people are probably going to ignore it or pirate it. On the other hand, it probably didn't take much time or money to create, so giving it away isn't losing much money. So in both cases you're talking about giving away a product with limited profit potential as a holiday celebration to promote the brand as a whole.

Unfortunately GW doesn't seem to understand the concept of taking a loss on one thing so that you make a better profit elsewhere, so we're stuck with more overpriced garbage.

Don't play GW games if you don't want to pay. Simple as that, you know what you're getting into with the company, so there's no point complaining about it, just vote with your wallet, they're not gonna give a damn about your web forum rant if you go ahead and buy it anyway.

Charging more for the rules is most likely GW's reaction to the fact that you can buy figures just as good as theirs for a quarter of the price from a lot of different companies.

Just another revenue stream, and most people who play GW games have a fair amount of money and are willing to pay (with the odd grumble).

Scarlet, I tip my hat to that, couldn't agree more.

 scarletsquig wrote:
just vote with your wallet

That's exactly what I did with these new releases. I certainly didn't pay $15 for this garbage, and I'm not going to pay $15 for similar garbage in the future.

Charging more for the rules is most likely GW's reaction to the fact that you can buy figures just as good as theirs for a quarter of the price from a lot of different companies.

Except that's an incredibly stupid reaction. If you're already more expensive than everyone else the last thing you want to do is make your products even more expensive, especially when some of your competition is giving away the rules for free. It's a short-sighted milking of the cash cow that gives some short-term revenue at the cost of the long-term success of the game.

Just another revenue stream, and most people who play GW games have a fair amount of money and are willing to pay (with the odd grumble).

Yes, people are willing to pay, but they're willing to pay for quality. This "book" does not offer quality. You're paying the full price of a real book to get the rules for a single unit, a formation which took about 30 seconds to write, and some recycled fluff and model pictures. This is the kind of thing that other companies would give away for free as a random promotional event, not a real product that deserves a $15 price tag.

And I say this as someone who has spent thousands of dollars on a DKoK army, including things like ordering IA12 (the most recent DKoK book) as soon as it was released.

I bought it, enjoyed the content, liked the extra missions and it has enriched my hobby as I'll play them. Worth the money in my opinion. I'd say DKoK is a ridiculous waste, as I don't like the models, have no interest in guard or the fluff really.

Worth is subjective. And just because you've spent hundreds on a hobby, you have no more right to judge the worth than somebody else.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Yeah, they're giving away a six-year-old product. GW digital should do the same with this new product. Because of reasons!

Actually the product is kind of the same. The Cypher "book" might be a new product, but it's probably not a very profitable one. The content is pretty minimal, so unless GW sells it at a very low price most people are probably going to ignore it or pirate it. On the other hand, it probably didn't take much time or money to create, so giving it away isn't losing much money. So in both cases you're talking about giving away a product with limited profit potential as a holiday celebration to promote the brand as a whole.

Unfortunately GW doesn't seem to understand the concept of taking a loss on one thing so that you make a better profit elsewhere, so we're stuck with more overpriced garbage.

None of this is news to me. I can't remember the last smart decision GW made. I can rattle off a catalogue of bad ones. GW are a lot of things, many of which I love, but "astute" isn't one of them.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Worth is subjective.

Not really. Compare what you get from this "book" to what you get from spending the same amount of money on similar alternatives. You can even compare it to GW's own codices if you want, and the comparison does not favor these new digital releases.

And just because you've spent hundreds on a hobby, you have no more right to judge the worth than somebody else.

That's not what I said. That was a response to the idea that GW's customers tend to spend lots of money therefore they will/should spend lots of money on overpriced digital "books". So I provided the counter-example: I'm willing to spend money on high-quality products, but I'm not paying for this garbage.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Charging more for the rules is most likely GW's reaction to the fact that you can buy figures just as good as theirs for a quarter of the price from a lot of different companies.

Just another revenue stream, and most people who play GW games have a fair amount of money and are willing to pay (with the odd grumble).

Are you actually putting forward the idea that GW charging more for rules in response to other companies putting out equal quality products at a cheaper price as if that were a perfectly fine thing to do?

No problem. I like the fluff, and enjoy playing missions etc where it's not just another game. I'm a big DA player, so if you could recommend me something along those lines it's be grand. For a tenner please. Make sure it hits all those or I won't waste my money on it. I don't spend money on stuff I don't like you see.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
No problem. I like the fluff, and enjoy playing missions etc where it's not just another game. I'm a big DA player, so if you could recommend me something along those lines it's be grand. For a tenner please. Make sure it hits all those or I won't waste my money on it. I don't spend money on stuff I don't like you see.

Here's a better idea: spend 15 minutes writing some cool mission ideas of your own. Congratulations, you just made a better product for free.

 agnosto wrote:
Yeah, shut your pie-holes, pay your money and keep insuring my dividend payments.

I don't get the joy here; he's just going to get mowed down by rapid fire before he gets within pistol range. Heck a Tau firewarrior squad with an ethereal nearby could do for him quite nicely in one turn.

definitely in my top 5 dakka posts of all time


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 Peregrine wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
No problem. I like the fluff, and enjoy playing missions etc where it's not just another game. I'm a big DA player, so if you could recommend me something along those lines it's be grand. For a tenner please. Make sure it hits all those or I won't waste my money on it. I don't spend money on stuff I don't like you see.

Here's a better idea: spend 15 minutes writing some cool mission ideas of your own. Congratulations, you just made a better product for free.

Younger generation - couldn't find their rears without their iphones!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm assuming you're a similar age to myself i.e we grew up in the 1980s/1990s with warhammer, and back then, you were encouraged by the likes of Rick Priestly to make up your own rules. This generation? No imiganation. If it's not got 'official' approval, they don't want to know, which is sad in a way.

Apologies for writing off a whole generation of young people with a sweeping generalisation

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
No problem. I like the fluff, and enjoy playing missions etc where it's not just another game. I'm a big DA player, so if you could recommend me something along those lines it's be grand. For a tenner please. Make sure it hits all those or I won't waste my money on it. I don't spend money on stuff I don't like you see.

Here's a better idea: spend 15 minutes writing some cool mission ideas of your own. Congratulations, you just made a better product for free.

Younger generation - couldn't find their rears without their iphones!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm assuming you're a similar age to myself i.e we grew up in the 1980s/1990s with warhammer, and back then, you were encouraged by the likes of Rick Priestly to make up your own rules. This generation? No imiganation. If it's not got 'official' approval, they don't want to know, which is sad in a way.

Apologies for writing off a whole generation of young people with a sweeping generalisation

My counter to that would be that while playing purely with a couple of your mates creating your own rules and stuff is fun but when most of your games are pick up games at your FLGS you need a solid ruleset which both players can build a list for without having to discuss a lot of rules for first.

I started the hobby at the end of 1st ed 40k. But don't let that stop your sweeping and misguided generalisations.