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 jonolikespie wrote:
My counter to that would be that while playing purely with a couple of your mates creating your own rules and stuff is fun but when most of your games are pick up games at your FLGS you need a solid ruleset which both players can build a list for without having to discuss a lot of rules for first.

But the fluff missions in the "book" aren't really appropriate for that. They're for games where you want a story game that matches the individual armies instead of a random pickup game with standard missions. And for that making your own missions is vastly superior.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
Well, I am bummed. Dark Angels are the only 6th edition codex that is STILL waiting for some sort of extra supplement and/or dataslate,

Remind me what updgrade or data slate Adepta Sororitas got?

I don't recognize most of the fluff in the e-book, and I had (up till 2011) owned every Black Library 40k book and comic published, and most of them now in 2013. Most certainly CSM books and anything to do with Cypher or Fallen Angels, because I had an unhealthy obsession with them in my earlier days. The fluff isn't recycled, from what I've seen.

Is the fluff any good? does it add much?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is the fluff any good? does it add much?

Well, I know a lot of people were looking for the lore to be advanced to the 42nd millennium (Although they get to 999999.M41!). As far as I've read, that hasn't happened. It fleshed out a lot of who Cypher, his roles in various events, and the Fallen to an extent. It's 46 e-book pages of lore that reads like most Codices that give an overview and past-timeline of the Army you're playing, except more in-depth and with I daresay more character (and accuracy to past books), rather than just "OMG WE'RE SO GOOD" fluff.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Apologies for writing off a whole generation of young people with a sweeping generalisation

That's fine, it's actually pretty helpful - I'll know to skip past your condescending posts now! Cheers!

There was some meat in there - yeah, GW used to make a lot more of DIY than they do now, but we've seen it start to come back with the little "Forge the narrative" box-outs we like to rip the piss out of so much. It's pretty easy to say that WITHOUT being horrible to entire generations of your peers at a time, though.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
Well, I am bummed. Dark Angels are the only 6th edition codex that is STILL waiting for some sort of extra supplement and/or dataslate,

Remind me what updgrade or data slate Adepta Sororitas got?

Cypher. Moving on.

Plus, your book (digital) was released, what, 1 or 2 months ago. Chill out, people still remember how ignored their army is also.

I'm more wondering about the rules for him. is there enough in there for him to be his own allied detatchment (plus fallen angels) for an Imperial Guard army? or if it would be worth allying to guard in the first place over any other ally? If its good enough to save me from buying a new codex to ally with, and especially if I can proxy dark vengeance models it might be worth my $20

 TyCorny wrote:
I'm more wondering about the rules for him. is there enough in there for him to be his own allied detatchment (plus fallen angels) for an Imperial Guard army? or if it would be worth allying to guard in the first place over any other ally? If its good enough to save me from buying a new codex to ally with, and especially if I can proxy dark vengeance models it might be worth my $20

You can get him and three chosen squads. If that's something you might like adding to your guard, then you can do it without taking up an ally slot and chosen are easy to get/make.

 pretre wrote:

 TyCorny wrote:
I'm more wondering about the rules for him. is there enough in there for him to be his own allied detatchment (plus fallen angels) for an Imperial Guard army? or if it would be worth allying to guard in the first place over any other ally? If its good enough to save me from buying a new codex to ally with, and especially if I can proxy dark vengeance models it might be worth my $20

You can get him and three chosen squads. If that's something you might like adding to your guard, then you can do it without taking up an ally slot and chosen are easy to get/make.

without an ally slot? even though they're another army? what am I missing here? or is this apocalypse only?

It's a dataslate. They do that.

Man, it is hard to decide on this item for me. If the fluff really does flesh out Cypher quite a bit...I could see paying the otherwise 'gouging' price.

If it is just more of the 'He is....INSERT YOUR IDEA HERE' with little more story to base it off of for any side....certainly not worth it.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
Man, it is hard to decide on this item for me. If the fluff really does flesh out Cypher quite a bit...I could see paying the otherwise 'gouging' price.

If it is just more of the 'He is....INSERT YOUR IDEA HERE' with little more story to base it off of for any side....certainly not worth it.

Ask yourself:

Do you want to read a bunch of fluff on Cypher?
Will you use the rules for Cypher?
Will you use the rules for his detachment?
Will you use the Altar of War missions?

If you say yes to at least three of those, I would buy it. If not, skip it.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
Well, I am bummed. Dark Angels are the only 6th edition codex that is STILL waiting for some sort of extra supplement and/or dataslate,

Remind me what updgrade or data slate Adepta Sororitas got?

Cypher. Moving on.

Plus, your book (digital) was released, what, 1 or 2 months ago. Chill out, people still remember how ignored their army is also.

So you can't use Cypher?

Just correcting you assertion that Dark Angels were somehow the only ones ignored - we had to wait how long for a digital only codex..................and then don't get squat in any of the recent releases like Pandora - unlike oh yes the Dark Angels hwo half the book devoted to them........At least you have access to GW Lords of War- unlike which Codex - oh yes Sororitas

I have to say it does seem like a LOT of armies were given nothing in this advent calendar but Sisters and Orks seem pretty update impoverished at this point in time. I was hoping they would release something for Orks (I don't play them too much but I love their fluff and models.)

Interesting read I have to say. I personally knew very little about Cypher besides the fact that everyone always wanted to get rules for him. The rules are pretty good, and taking along Chosen is nice as well.

Good amount of story in there for him. Hard to believe it's just one guy.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I have to say it does seem like a LOT of armies were given nothing in this advent calendar but Sisters and Orks seem pretty update impoverished at this point in time. I was hoping they would release something for Orks (I don't play them too much but I love their fluff and models.)

At least Sisters still have their own Codex...

...which is a lot worse than the Marine codex that BT are using now.

 Sidstyler wrote:
...which is a lot worse than the Marine codex that BT are using now.

Assuming you're not playing C:SM as BT then yeah, but that kinda defeats the purpose.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Still doesn't hold water, assuming the US$17 is correct.

There are two versions listed on iTunes that I can see.

The $19.99 "Interactive Edition" and the $16.99 "eBook Edition".

I bought the interactive version. Lots of fluff to read through tonight. The first mission is a bit one sided, but the second one looks fun. Happy I made this purchase. (and I HATED both dark angels HH books)

The Cypher story in the dataslate is a bit...odd. I have the feeling that multiple people wrote it. The keep repeating the same thing "The Imperium doesn't know what his mysterious purpose is..." Then 4-6 accounts of him working with loyal forces, chaos forces, and exposing would-be traitors. Skip to the next chapter, then "The Imperium doesn't know what his mysterious purpose is..." followed by 3-5 of the same types of examples. Repeat +4 or 5 times.

Good back ground fluff to work into a campaign to build around him, I guess.

The missions are good, though. If I was still with my group back in Houston, I'd buy Cypher and use these missions with either my Chaos Marines or Black Templars against my buds.

My rating of Dataslate Cypher: Solid addition to the game, weak storyline addition.

Whilst this thread is still up and about -- not really worth starting a new thread for this so...

Hello again everyone, and happy New Year!
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 Mr Morden wrote:
Remind me what updgrade or data slate Adepta Sororitas got?

Is Codex: Adepta Sororitas not a slightly bigger than usual dataslate, actually ?

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
Well, I am bummed. Dark Angels are the only 6th edition codex that is STILL waiting for some sort of extra supplement and/or dataslate,

Remind me what updgrade or data slate Adepta Sororitas got?

Cypher. Moving on.

I totally need some explanation on how Codex: Inquisition and the Stormwhatever formation dataslate are not “extras” for Dark Angels, but Cypher is an “extra” for Adepta Sororitas.
Unlike Cypher, if you paint them green, the stormwhatever will even look like they are actually part of the Dark Angel army !!!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
...which is a lot worse than the Marine codex that BT are using now.

Assuming you're not playing C:SM as BT then yeah, but that kinda defeats the purpose.

Let's clarify : you are actually complaining that you have access to the biggest range of models from GW, most which in plastic, and are part of the biggest codex from GW, with the highest number of unit choices and option, all the while even with restricting your choice to only models that perfectly fits the fluff for Black Templar, you'll still get more choice than everything available in Codex: Adepta Sororitas ? Do you also want to complain that your infantry is not monobloc metal, that your codex is available in paper too instead of being digital exclusive, that your digital codex is the only one available with some list-building tool included, and that your codex is translated in your own language?

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Can you take a unit of Chosen with Cypher as an ally with any army allowed?

No. The chosen option is Chaos only.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Can you take a unit of Chosen with Cypher as an ally with any army allowed?

No. The chosen option is Chaos only.

awww.....Now that I've had time to think it over, I want Chosen (The Fallen) with Cypher with any army. This is the news I wanted to hear, but now I want the Cypher release to have rules for a unique unit of Sternguard/Chosen THE FALLEN! At least I planned on using him with Chaos Space marines anyway.