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Greetings,

Many years ago (under Warmachine Prime Remix) I began to play the wondrous game that is warmachine. However due to money and being a student I was forced to drop the game for several years, until now.

I have, pButcher, a Juggernaut, a Destroyer and 8 IFP.

What should I look to be doing now that I'm getting back into the beautiful steampunk world of the Iron Kingdoms, does pButcher (or any Butcher for that matter) still do his job as a hacky slashy caster, or do i have to look elsewhere for a new caster to bring the might of Khador to those smelly unwashed barbarians to the south?

I assume you have got yourself a copy of Prime Mk2 in all of this...

With that in mind, first things first, you'll need to track down 2 more IFP, as units are no longer able to be variable in size, it is either minimum or maximum.

Next up, you may need to get the faction deck (or download War room, PP's armylist creation app) as the game has changed a lot WRT point costs and a few other things.


pButcher is an excellent Jack caster, (though in general you really do not want to be running more than 2 jacks in a Khador force anyway. We're more infantry based.) with his spell Full Throttle doing much of legwork here. Though Fury is great for overkill with certain Jacks or even pButcher himself, esp. when under his feat, which adds an extra D6 to the damage roll.

Hope that gets you started a bit.

 Grimtuff wrote:
I assume you have got yourself a copy of Prime Mk2 in all of this...

With that in mind, first things first, you'll need to track down 2 more IFP, as units are no longer able to be variable in size, it is either minimum or maximum.

Next up, you may need to get the faction deck (or download War room, PP's armylist creation app) as the game has changed a lot WRT point costs and a few other things.


pButcher is an excellent Jack caster, (though in general you really do not want to be running more than 2 jacks in a Khador force anyway. We're more infantry based.) with his spell Full Throttle doing much of legwork here. Though Fury is great for overkill with certain Jacks or even pButcher himself, esp. when under his feat, which adds an extra D6 to the damage roll.

Hope that gets you started a bit.

I have read MKII (getting a physical copy for xmas) so i know about the new point costs (which if you ask me, are 1000x better than what they were before). I was considering buying two more pikemen and then maybe some winterguard or MoW of some kind. What sort of troops would you recommend getting, and do you think the Destroyer is a good jack? (Because I kinda like everything about it, except the price)

The Destroyer is a little lacking IMO (either lower its cost or make the gun ROF2), if you can, just grab the conversion kit for Black Ivan and make it into him, far better and you'll get more mileage out of it, that or leave it to one side until you get some casters that go well with it like pVlad, Harkevich, pIrusk (IIRC, whichever one has fire for effect) or Old Witch.

This may be a little moot, as you've already said you're getting the book for christmas, but the 2 player box is a good buy, esp. if you can find a POM player to split it with. 2 more jacks (one of which can be made into the aforementioned Black Ivan, the kit is made to go with the plastics anyway), pSorscha and 5 MOW STs.

With pButcher, the troops you want to get IMO are stuff that benefits mainly from Fury and/or his Feat, so you're looking at things like Doom Reavers, the Great Bears, IFP (esp. the Black Dragon kind), Kayazy assassins and eliminators

I would have never thought of getting Black Ivan, but after looking at his rules on BattleCollege he seems like a good idea (considering as I was going to get the 2 player battlebox anyway). I just need to find someone to play as the POM.

Orsus really shines with lots of infantry in his prime form. His feat can be absolutely devastating with an infantry horde. I usually run him with IFP, full wintergyard death star and kayazy assassins. Full throttle is neat but our jacks tend to benefit frombuying more attacks rather than bboosting. Orsus is also one of the most lethal melee models in the game. He hits as hard as a juggarnaught, has reach, and has the highest natural MAT in the game. If he buffs himself with fury and his feat, he will be rolling 19 + 5d6 on the charge which I believe is the single most powerful attack in the game.

I remember using him back in the day, I don't think a single thing survived touching his base.

Hes still a powerhouse, but khador as a whole is a much more delicate faction than many people think. They can smash face, but you need to get them there in one piece to do it and that can be very difficult against many lists. Many of their models are relatively tough but certainly not the hardest targets in the game, and certainly not so tough that they can just soak firepower and keep moving.

The Butcher is still a Khador powerhouse.

Destroyers and Black Ivan prove to be excellent jacks because of firepower and melee power. Remember with them that terrain is not the problem that it is for other direct firing jacks.

I also like and almost always include some type of Winter Guard unit be it a blunderbuss for massive amount of firepower or Rifle Corp for terrain denial.

Good Luck.

Thanks, I was thinking of running this as a training 15pt list.


pButcher

Juggernaut

Widowmakers

Winter guard Mortar

Iron Fang Pikemen (minimal squad)

How does that look? I think it is quite a good mix of shooty and smashy. Plus I can make it with the models I have at the moment.

Looks good and good luck.

Looks decent for a starter. Use the jugg out front to draw incoming fire off your pikemen and Orsus. In a 15 point game, it will take a significant alpha strike to take it down, and most likely wont go down at range in one turn. Once it gets to melee, try and smash the enemy warjack(s) with it before they take it down. Hopefully Orsus and the pikes will be in good health by that time and will do the rest of the heavy lifting under butcher's feat and buffs. Widowmakers are lethal at this point level, as they can instant kill single wound models, and their RAT is high enough to hit most units pretty easily. pButcher is great at 15pts as well since he is one of the few warcasters who can just completely dominate anything in melee, light jacks, heavy jacks, battle engines, focus camping warcasters, even colossals are threatened by the butcher.

Here's a post someone else wrote about which casters you should get, followed by a post I wrote about which infantry/solos/jacks to get:
From Digilante: http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?178304-Picking-up-Khador&p=2297093&viewfull=1#post2297093

"As for casters I'll break it into categories and you can then consider what you want to get out of the game to help decide.

Good Starts
These casters are relatively easy to learn, forgiving to new players, and work well with Khador's most commonly used models.
Irusk1
Butcher1
Vlad1
Sorscha2

Techincal Casters
These casters have a steeper learning curve but are excellent once you get the hang of them.
Old Witch
Sorscha1
Vlad2
Irusk2

Challenging Casters
These casters are not as powerful as others but can be fun to play and rewarding if you put in the time and effort to make them work.
Harkevich
Strakhov
Karchev
Zerkova

Strange Casters
These casters favor strange army compositions and might not be the best way to start a collection
Vlad3
Butcher2"


And here's a post I wrote on the same thread:

Khador is very reliant on its infantry, so it's important you pick up some solid infantry units and solos fairly early on. I've tried to classify units available to you in a similar way to Digilante's caster system. This doesn't cover all the units, but any of these units will serve you well in a variety of lists:

Solid and Simple
There units are hard to kill, and dish out the hurt. They will perform well even with minimal practise. These are the most common Khador infantry units.

Winter Guard Infantry + Officer & Standard + Rocketeers + Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich.
Iron Fang Pikemen + Officer & Standard / Black Dragon Officer and Standard + Iron Fang Kovnik

Deadly but Delicate
These units are more delicate, and more difficult to use. But utterly devastating if used correctly. Don't be disheartened if you don't get good results with them at first. You will get better with them.

Doom Reavers
Kayazy Assassins + Kayazy Assassin Underboss
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters + Koldun Kapitan Valachev
Greylord Outriders

Sledgehammers
Survivable, but smaller than the solid and simple units, the sledgehammer deliver a reliable, directed dose of destruction.
Great Bears of Gallowswood
Iron Fang Uhlans
Man-o-War Drakhun
Manhunters

Scalpels
Fragile, smaller than the Delicate but Deadly units, but deliver a killer blow to key enemy targets.
Kayazy Eliminators
Widowmakers
Widowmaker Marksman
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution

Utility
Mostly solos, the utility units enhance the rest of your army, without necessarily dealing much damage themselves.
Gorman Di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist
Sylys Wyshnalyrr
Wardog
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt
Battle Mechaniks

If you were wondering which Jacks to start with, I'd say:

Very Frequent Use
Beast 09
Behemoth
Conquest
Spriggan

Medium Use
Devastator
Drago (with Vlad)
Black Ivan

The rest are used rarely.

 welshhoppo wrote:
I would have never thought of getting Black Ivan, but after looking at his rules on BattleCollege he seems like a good idea (considering as I was going to get the 2 player battlebox anyway). I just need to find someone to play as the POM.

The ShockTroopers are a little ... meh, but what you can do is easly find bits to make Demolision Corps instead.