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Hi all,

this is my current army list for the next 1850 tournament and I would like to hear your opinion of it as I am a quite new player.

So what do you think of the following list and what would you change to make it better?

Imperial Fists
HQ Librarian 115
Storm Shield
Master Level 2
Plasma Pistol

Elite 10-man Sternguard Vets 280
2X Heavy flamer
2X combi-melta
combat squad

Transport Drop Pod 50
Deathwing launcher

Fast Land Speeder 75
Typhoon + heavy bolter

Fast Land Speeder 75
Typhoon + heavy bolter

Troops 10 man Tactical Squad 150
Special Weapon

Transport Rhino 40
Dozer Blade

Troops 6-man Tactical Squad 99
Special Weapon

HS 5-man Devastator Squad 130
4X ML

HS 5-man Devastator Squad 130
4X Lascannon

HS Thunderfire Cannon 100

ADL 100
Quad Gun

1344


White Scare

HQ Kor'sarro Khan 150
Moondrakkan

Troops 5x Bikes Squad 150
2X Grav-Gun
Power Axe

Troops 5x Bikes Squad 205
2X Grav-Gun
Power Axe
1x Att. Bike
Multi-Melta


505

Total 1849

Thank you,
Erik

There are a few things I'd clean up about your list.

a.) The Plasma Pistol for the Librarian isn't very helpful.
b.) The Sternguard would do better if they had 2 or 3 Combi Meltas in EACH combat squad.
The Unit would look like this....
10x Man Sternguard
2x Heavy Flamer
4 or 6 Combi-Meltas
w/ Drop Pod
When combat squaded down I'd Make it be two groups of 5 each with 1 Heavy Flamer and 2/3 Combi Meltas. You can then try to blow up a tank with each squad or kill hordes with the heavy flamer and special ammunition.

c.)I'd make the Typhoon Land Speeders into 1 Squadron to give up less killpoints.
d.)Tactical Squads are MUCH better with a heavy and special weapon. The only time you should not give a heavy weapon is if they'll be moving the whole game. Make that decision.
e.)Put 2 Lascannons and 2 Missile Launchers in eeach squad. If I felt like it, I could just kill off your lascannon squad before your Missile Squad.
f.) The Bike Squads are fairly good. I however would never put a power axe in a bike squad, but with hit and run, I can see the point. Make that decision.

If you ever need anymore help, just ask.

I would drop the tact quads down to 5 men and drop the rhino (they are just there to hold objectives anyway) and give each 1 heavy weapons (ML or HB).

I would make the sternguard x2 Hflamers x6 combi meltas
and the last 2 plain, combat squad them into sarge/3 meltas/1 Hflamer, and basic dude/3 meltas/1 Hflamer.

For the devs take all ML it helps with a wider amount of units
(or if a lot of riptides/wraith knights go all las).

 Arbiter wrote:
I would drop the tact quads down to 5 men and drop the rhino (they are just there to hold objectives anyway) and give each 1 heavy weapons (ML or HB).

I would make the sternguard x2 Hflamers x6 combi meltas
and the last 2 plain, combat squad them into sarge/3 meltas/1 Hflamer, and basic dude/3 meltas/1 Hflamer.

For the devs take all ML it helps with a wider amount of units
(or if a lot of riptides/wraith knights go all las).

Everything here is good except the point about Missiles. Missiles are bad in comparison to Lascannons.

Thank you all. Will follow your advise and change my list. Will give it a try during the weekend.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought bikes could only be taken as troops in the primary detachment. Can someone shed some light on this.

Cheers

Jamo wrote:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought bikes could only be taken as troops in the primary detachment. Can someone shed some light on this.

Cheers

As long as Kor'sarro Khan is your warlord it should'nt be a problem. And the warlord is picked by the HQ with the highest Initiative. In my case, both HQs have the same Initiative. Means I can choose my warlord.

Ah I see. That's the caveat I couldn't remember. As long as he's warlord then. Nice one

I'm pretty sure your warlord has to be from the primary detachment pal. I haven't got my brb on me at the mo because I'm at work but I'm about 85% sure I'm correct.

Grav Warlord has to be from Primary and has nothing to do with initiative its about leadership. You can't have bikes as troops in an allied detachment only primary.

Also what storm shield does your Libby have where did you get the point value for it?

Why the big secret on the tac squads special weapons?

Other than that I largely agree with what Feasible and Arbiter have said.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Grav Warlord has to be from Primary and has nothing to do with initiative its about leadership. You can't have bikes as troops in an allied detachment only primary.

Also what storm shield does your Libby have where did you get the point value for it?

Why the big secret on the tac squads special weapons?

Other than that I largely agree with what Feasible and Arbiter have said.

-> the fact with the Warlord rule smashs my whole list into the bin

-> I don't have the Codex next to me, but I thought it was listed in his profile.

-> There is no secret on the tac squads special weapons. Have just not chose one.

Anyone an idea how to make the best out of it? I checked some other list in the forum and everyone who uses WS as allies have the bikes listed as troops.

How does that destroy your list? Unless you are SUPER desperate to use Bolter Drill or Siege Masters, just move Khan and the bikes into your main detachment, call it a single army, and your done.

Now you get to scout EVERYTHING MUAHAHAHAAHA!

...no, only bikes and units w/transports would gain scout? (For WS w/Khan, anyway?)

OK, checked the codex last night. A Chapter Master on bike solves the issue.

Khan on a bike (or any captain/chapter master) does in fact make bikes troops even in the allied detachment.
Khan must be your warlord if you want the scout rule for your bikes.

Kisada II wrote:
Khan on a bike (or any captain/chapter master) does in fact make bikes troops even in the allied detachment.
Khan must be your warlord if you want the scout rule for your bikes.

That's correct. You said it clear. Thanks. I will only miss the scout rule as I can't take Khan as warlord in my list.

Well that's good news for everybody!

Thanks to everyone. I have changed my list as follow:

Imperial Fists
HQ Librarian 140
The Shield Eternal
Master Level 2
Power Axe
Bolt-pistol

Elite 10-man Sternguard Vets 290
2X Heavy flamer
3X combi-melta (don't have more combi-meltas, otherwise I would take 6 in total and no melta)
1X Melta
combat squad

Transport Drop Pod 50
Deathwing launcher

Fast 2X Land Speeder 150
Typhoon + ML

Troops 5 man Tactical Squad 85
ML

Troops 5 man Tactical Squad 80
Heavy Bolter

HS 5-man Devastator Squad 130
2X ML
2X Lascannon

HS 5-man Devastator Squad 130
2X ML
2X Lascannon

HS Thunderfire Cannon 100

ADL 100
Quad Gun


White Scare

HQ Chapter Master 185
Artificer Armour
Power Axe
Bike

Troops 5x Bikes Squad 205
2X Grav-Gun
Power Axe
1x Att. Bike
Multi-Melta

Troops 5x Bikes Squad 205
2X Grav-Gun
Power Axe
1x Att. Bike
Multi-Melta

I like the list. One thing though, you say it's for a tournament, aren't you a little light on anti air?

Jamo wrote:
I like the list. One thing though, you say it's for a tournament, aren't you a little light on anti air?

do you think I need more? What would be a good option for anti air?

The chapter master with 4 wounds benefits from the shield eternal *much* more than a 2-wound librarian. It only allows the librarian to take one extra wound.

Also, the librarian comes with a force weapon, which can be an axe (although the stave is better for one-shotting high toughness targets in melee). You're not throwing away your free force weapon and then paying extra for an inferior power axe, right?

Give the Chapter Master he Shield of Eternal.