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We rode the lighting and the lighting took us to dinner and a movie

'Murica.

 LordofHats wrote:
We rode the lighting and the lighting took us to dinner and a movie

'Murica.

'Murica.

Back to the OP, no Band of Brothers is not racist toward the Brits, it is probably one of the most neutral on the subject of the war. I'd rather watch that than some of the other "factual" war movies that have come out of Hollywood.

Cheers

Andrew

Bridge over the Rive Kwai man.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Heh. You think this is bad? Just watch Patton

Patton is more of a drama that focuses on the character and it actually begins with the Americans having lost a battle. Shock, horror, I know. This sort of thing is just completely lacking in the Pacific and Band of Brothers. HBO simply refuses to have the heroes lose and when they do in Market Garden; they blame the British. Its just a series of spectacular victories over their enemy which they vanquish like they're space marines.

I can't help but think that this is a troll thread. You're butthurt about a castoff scene in a miniseries from ten years ago?
Next thing you'll tell me is that the USA wasn't the sole reason the Allies won WWII. Bullocks I say!

*Bollocks

 Frazzled wrote:


Next thing you'll tell me is that the USA wasn't the sole reason the Allies won WWII. Bullocks I say!

You called? Just so happens I read a good book about WW1 with a similar theory. Since it seems to be the thing to do I'll sign off with a statement that represents all the worst things about my country (does doing this make me a hipster?)

STRAYA

 purplefood wrote:
*Bollocks

In America is bullocks. America HurrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

Lets face reality. Without the Americans supplying the British with radar, spitfires, and the Black Sheep Squadron you wouldn't have had a chance against the Hitlerites.

 Frazzled wrote:


the Black Sheep Squadron

Was this a Welsh only squadron?

Bullockist wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


the Black Sheep Squadron

Was this a Welsh only squadron?

Morale had to kept high somehow. The sorry excuses for sheep on mainland Europe just weren't fit for duty, and it was a logistical nightmare to import New Zealand sheep in, especially when the NZ regiments needed them just as much.

We did what we had to do.

Bullockist wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


the Black Sheep Squadron

Was this a Welsh only squadron?

New Zealand. Killer sheep stopped the Japanese invasion in 1927 cold.

 Frazzled wrote:
Without the Americans supplying the British with radar, spitfires, and the Black Sheep Squadron....

O.o

When did we do that? I watched Baa Baa Black Sheep every week when I was a child. Don't remember any British in the show. Hmmm, I must have missed an episode.

 Frazzled wrote:
New Zealand. Killer sheep stopped the Japanese invasion in 1927 cold.

Oh, right. THAT episode.

The British were so bad at war, that without us you would be complaining in German!

 CptJake wrote:

Band of Brothers is so racist against us Brits

British is a race now?

Don't waste too much effort. This is a troll thread by someone that wants to be offended.

And no, the British are not a race. They are made up of many races: Black, White, Asian, Pacific Islander, and Gingers.

To be fair there are some definitions of racism that do include both race and ethnicity.

 Cheesecat wrote:
To be fair there are some definitions of racism that do include both race and ethnicity.

People use the word racism for ethnic groups because they are lazy. That and the word "ethnicist" feels like you're talking with a marble in your mouth.

 Khornholio wrote:
Maybe the failure of Operation Market Garden was due to the uberness of the Waffen SS...

Pretty much this.

But yeah this entire post was, incredibly, incredibly silly.

 Breotan wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
To be fair there are some definitions of racism that do include both race and ethnicity.

People use the word racism for ethnic groups because they are lazy. That and the word "ethnicist" feels like you're talking with a marble in your mouth.

It has nothing to do with laziness and more to do with the fact that racial and ethnic discrimination has a lot of similarities with each other.

As a Brit, this thread is fething absurd. Well done!

Bollocks!

"British" isn't a "race".

Now, if you really want to make a race issue out of it, it was the Irish Guard that was used in Market Garden.

So maybe HBO was just hating on the Irish.


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Also, someone mentioned earlier that there shouldn't have been Shermans and Churchhills together. The Armored Guards division used both tanks, so they were definitely on the battlefield together in Holland.

He said Cromwells and Sherman Vs. Does that make a difference? (I don't actually know, just providing what he actually said so you can either stay correct or change it)

Right... OP, for a moment just shut up[. Now go and watch Independence day, Battleship, Battlefield Los Angeles, and any other film like those. Notice that all you see is the Americans saving the world? Exactly.
My theory is that the Americans are trying to make up for their lack of history (they have, what a few centuries worth?) and are trying to do so by inflating their ego by portraying themselves as the untouchable heros and saviours of mankind .
Watch them, and stare at the glaring flaws (the alien ships movement and lack of infantry shooty weapons in Battleship for instance) then think on it. Now stop your butt hurt.

And the real reason that us British folk did so badly in operation Market Garden?



Michael Wittmann. With only three Tiger1's and one PanzerIV he utterly decimated the vanguard of the British army, and slaughtered a good portion of the army that was following up. He was a gifted Tank Commander, and too this day still is the best Tank Ace there has ever been. If the Americans had been hit, then they would have been the ones flattened. It was pure bad luck that he was in the British path. What hope did we have?
So, quit your butthurt. No point in getting sad or angry over this. Calm down, and remember-we have the best damn army in the world.

MoO

@Frazzled-I believe that Radar was a British invention, and Spitfires where a British aircraft. However, the Welsh units where happy for their supply of sheep. The Europe ones where terrible things so I hear.

Erm; Wittman didn't take part in Market Garden, he was killed in Normandy...

 motyak wrote:
He said Cromwells and Sherman Vs. Does that make a difference? (I don't actually know, just providing what he actually said so you can either stay correct or change it)

Did he? Ok, well the Gaurds used Cromwells as well. It seemed they had a mixed bag of armor. Cromwells, Churchills, Sherman V's, Sherman Firefly's.

Honestly though, I don't know if they operated in mixed units. It's possible the show itself just tossed Cromwells in to ensure the viewers knew they were a British unit, instead of confusing them as Americans.

 Frazzled wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
*Bollocks

In America is bullocks. America HurrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

Lets face reality. Without the Americans supplying the British with radar, spitfires, and the Black Sheep Squadron you wouldn't have had a chance against the Hitlerites.

Don't forget the American invention of the Jet Engine, the Cavity Magnetron and proximity tube, the world's best Heavy Bombers, their vital unlocking of the Enigma codes, their generous donation of free destroyers to the Brits, one of history's most selfless acts... and most impressive of all, their exemplary use of traditional Yank self-deprecation.

...

I think we're done.

Be sure to tune in next time though as we castigate 2001 : A space odyssey for it's historical inaccuracies whilst being thankful that Khan Noonien Singh and his genetic supermen didn't have access to those hoverboards and that Michael J. Fox promised us we'd have !