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The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

That's just sad on them.

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

When and where was this?

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

Yeah it happens, every single time I ever tried to play as a young teenager I always met clicky neckbeards who used to not exactly mock me, but sort of.. sit in groups of 4-6 that all knew each other, and would constantly use "in jokes" and mutter amongst themselves and scoff a lot, or laugh loudly and when asked "what you laughing at?" go "Oh it doesn't matter you wouldn't get it"

I guess you are either lucky or you aren't, since arriving in the states I have been really lucky and met plenty of really sound blokes to play with, as is almost always the case in life, it just depends on chance, you either get a good crowd near your house or a gak one, its the luck of the draw.

Keep at it, try some other places, click unfunny neckbeards only make up about 40% of the hobby, so the odds are slightly in our favor!

Awhile back a store that is just far enough away that I only get there once or twice a year had a special deal. They kept a book on how much you spent on GW product, and if you hit the one thousand dollar mark you get a free Battalion box. A good friend of mine took the challenge and in a few years he was just under the mark. We drove down there on the day after Christmas ready to collect on the deal, only to find that they had decided to discontinue the offer earlier in the year.

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

Its really sad that grown men (assuming thats what they are) felt the need to bully someone who is trying to partake in their hobby. If your painting was poor they should could have offered you advice on how to approve instead of acting like bitchy school kids.

Thats one thing I do love about another one of my hobbies Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Everyone gets their ass kicked when they start. But while you are getting your ass kicked as a noob the regulars will be telling you how to defend yourself and get improve on your position. I have never seen anyone mocked for being poor, except if they walk in talking about how tough they are.

Places like Dakka do the same thing with painting critique and advice, unless someone comes in and talks about their painting is the best in the world (in which case they get shot down if its not true. If your painting is just bad someone will tell you why and how to make it better, thats the way people should treat each other. Its a shame that people in the real world do not conduct themselves in that way as often.

 snurl wrote:
Awhile back a store that is just far enough away that I only get there once or twice a year had a special deal. They kept a book on how much you spent on GW product, and if you hit the one thousand dollar mark you get a free Battalion box. A good friend of mine took the challenge and in a few years he was just under the mark. We drove down there on the day after Christmas ready to collect on the deal, only to find that they had decided to discontinue the offer earlier in the year.

wow really. That sucks. You would think they would let people know so anyone close could splurg spend to get the deal.

 wowsmash wrote:

 snurl wrote:
Awhile back a store that is just far enough away that I only get there once or twice a year had a special deal. They kept a book on how much you spent on GW product, and if you hit the one thousand dollar mark you get a free Battalion box. A good friend of mine took the challenge and in a few years he was just under the mark. We drove down there on the day after Christmas ready to collect on the deal, only to find that they had decided to discontinue the offer earlier in the year.

wow really. That sucks. You would think they would let people know so anyone close could splurg spend to get the deal.

"and in a few years he was just under the mark"

It sucks for your friend sure, but really what was he expecting? Plenty can happen to a business in a few years.... they sure aren't obligated to maintain every special offer for years to come. I'm sure the intention was to reward people who regularly bought from their business, in which you would easily spend $1k in a year to a year and half.

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

Something similar has happened to me.

I used to go in to the local GW after work to paint mostly, and play rarely. A friend would tease me about how I never played, and how he wanted to get in a game with me. Finally I agreed. We're playing, having a great time, and some corpulent neckbeard with too small T-shirt is watching me. I go to use some Night Goblins, which were unpainted (one of a couple unpainted units on the board altogether). I like to field all painted stuff, but wanted to try these guys out. I fluff a roll and the gobbos fail, which is a turning point for the game. Neckbeard sneers and says, "Well, that's what you get for using unpainted models." I give the look of death, and say, "Mind your own business." He waddled off, but I lost all desire to play WFB in public after that.

Another time, right after Dreadfleet came out, a group of friends and I did a mass battle with each of us piloting a ship. It was actually pretty fun, but a creepy nasty dude who had a weird obsession with me would stand across the store and yell "advice" at me about what to do even though he had deliberately been excluded from the game for being a d-bag. I tried to be polite, but after several times of being talked over, interrupted, and generally treated like an idiot, I finally said in a deadly calm but loud voice, "Why don't you shut up and let me play MY game?" The whole store went silent, shocked. Keep in mind, I am very friendly and nice to all unless bullied, and no one had seen me get pushed like that... So I played my turn like nothing happened. Creepydude sniveled and went back to browsing the shelves. He had obviously made the mistake of thinking being nice means being weak. He left me alone after that.

 fishy bob wrote:

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

When and where was this?

Prisfyndet in Uppsala, roughly 10 years ago or so.

Back in the LOTR boom I was at a tournament in GW Glasgow. I had won all of my games, then gotten to the last round.

However, as there was odd numbers, I had ended up playing against one of the staff there. He ended up basically cheating throughout the game, completely changing the core concepts of the rules etc (if anyone was curious, he was doing multiple on multiple combats).

When I protested to the other staffmembers about this, I got, "he's the LOTR guy, he knows what he's talking about." And any attempts at pointing out the actual rules, in the rulebook was met with a Chewbacca Defence from both staffmembers.

I then, of course, got the whole banned/barred threat for arguing/disagreeing.

I of course, lost that game, and the tournament.

7 years later, I'm still bitter about it. This was probably the exact start of me falling out with Games Workshop and tournaments.

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I like to field all painted stuff, but wanted to try these guys out. I fluff a roll and the gobbos fail, which is a turning point for the game. Neckbeard sneers and says, "Well, that's what you get for using unpainted models." I give the look of death, and say, "Mind your own business." He waddled off, but I lost all desire to play WFB in public after that.

Is it possible that you're very thin skinned?

 plastictrees wrote:

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I like to field all painted stuff, but wanted to try these guys out. I fluff a roll and the gobbos fail, which is a turning point for the game. Neckbeard sneers and says, "Well, that's what you get for using unpainted models." I give the look of death, and say, "Mind your own business." He waddled off, but I lost all desire to play WFB in public after that.

Is it possible that you're very thin skinned?

I have to agree a bit on this one thing. it was the in-joke at games workshop where he probably picked it up. They would tell you "painted models fight better" and things like that. He was probably trying to cheer you up with gaming jargon he thought you might react to. But I can see how you could take it wrong, especially if the tone was not proper (hint: socially akward people, many of whom play 40k, have trouble striking that tone)

 plastictrees wrote:

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I like to field all painted stuff, but wanted to try these guys out. I fluff a roll and the gobbos fail, which is a turning point for the game. Neckbeard sneers and says, "Well, that's what you get for using unpainted models." I give the look of death, and say, "Mind your own business." He waddled off, but I lost all desire to play WFB in public after that.

Is it possible that you're very thin skinned?

No.

 Orock wrote:

I have to agree a bit on this one thing. it was the in-joke at games workshop where he probably picked it up. They would tell you "painted models fight better" and things like that. He was probably trying to cheer you up with gaming jargon he thought you might react to. But I can see how you could take it wrong, especially if the tone was not proper (hint: socially akward people, many of whom play 40k, have trouble striking that tone)

It wasn't a joke.

 gossipmeng wrote:

 wowsmash wrote:

 snurl wrote:
Awhile back a store that is just far enough away that I only get there once or twice a year had a special deal. They kept a book on how much you spent on GW product, and if you hit the one thousand dollar mark you get a free Battalion box. A good friend of mine took the challenge and in a few years he was just under the mark. We drove down there on the day after Christmas ready to collect on the deal, only to find that they had decided to discontinue the offer earlier in the year.

wow really. That sucks. You would think they would let people know so anyone close could splurg spend to get the deal.

"and in a few years he was just under the mark"

It sucks for your friend sure, but really what was he expecting? Plenty can happen to a business in a few years.... they sure aren't obligated to maintain every special offer for years to come. I'm sure the intention was to reward people who regularly bought from their business, in which you would easily spend $1k in a year to a year and half.

There was no notice. The deal was in place to reward their regular customers. Everything was A-OK with them each time we went down there, they knew we didn't come in that often, then one day, Poof!
And I don't spend $1k in a year and a half. more like 4 years for that much. This year I only bought some paint and some kickstarter dwarves.

These sorta threads are allways depressing D:

Anyways.
I was on a trip with a friend and his wife, 7 days away for some baby stuff and and why out see a store and wander in with my friend why his wife was getting lunch.
I decided to get box of new wraith guard , walk up to the counter and the guy supposed to be serving looks up from his card game and just keeps playing. D:
After a few mins my friend comes over and he jumps up to ask if he needed any help...
I just walked out.. This has happen more than once. Realy drives me crazy. But he did apologise when we walked back by and my friend had explane to him .. Shouldn't happen in the first place. He isn't used to girls being interested in warhammer so it seems.

Second happen this passed week >.< and why I thaght to post here tonight. Had order a bunch of daemons and some tau for my huggable. Big order and I had given my number to the store. Who is owned by older guy and I think his little sisters son other in the store.
The older guy is realy nice and allways talks and takes a interest even if he isn't into minis (never even gets close to offensive). But the younger guy is allways being a bit much, gets to close and places his hands in places he probably shouldn't and is allways being a bit like a want to be player.
So I wake up on Wednesday to a new msg, my stuff is all in and if I come in why he is in (younger guy) he will give me a 50% discount, and a picture of his ####, and he was obviously into taking the picture :/

At lunch time I got a msg saying he is off for lunch and he can bring it all around to my house with a winky face o.< .

I just can't beleave this sorta stuff can happen :0 but then it does, again wtf.
Sorry about my english, it's not so great :0.

Snurl, that allways sorta sucks. I have had stuff like that happen before. Can be super frustrating when it happens :(
I think I could make a store rethink that policy over a year D:

That it does Azreal :p context sensitive post, I'm bit strung up tonight due to such a crazy week. Thanks.

Apple, that post makes much more sense when you clarify you're a girl!

 Gymnogyps wrote:

 Laban wrote:
The first and only time I mustered up enough courage (I was young and insecure) to bring my army to my FLGS to play with the regulars I had to suffer through a barrage of insults about my painting quality for the entire length of the game I was playing.
since then I never played with strangers and only with my friends. Then I fell out with the hobby for nearly 10 years and nowadays I just paint models rather than play.

Something similar has happened to me.

I used to go in to the local GW after work to paint mostly, and play rarely. A friend would tease me about how I never played, and how he wanted to get in a game with me. Finally I agreed. We're playing, having a great time, and some corpulent neckbeard with too small T-shirt is watching me. I go to use some Night Goblins, which were unpainted (one of a couple unpainted units on the board altogether). I like to field all painted stuff, but wanted to try these guys out. I fluff a roll and the gobbos fail, which is a turning point for the game. Neckbeard sneers and says, "Well, that's what you get for using unpainted models." I give the look of death, and say, "Mind your own business." He waddled off, but I lost all desire to play WFB in public after that.

Gah, I hate people like that.

Was playing MTG at a Playstore over here with a buddy. Nothing serious, we were both just playing our regular decks made from Boosters and starters (Any veteran would probably laugh us out of the room seeing them). After a while some random dude just walks right up to us and watches us play. Awkward enough, but he thens tarted making comments on our playstyle, cards he deemed "bad" and just generally gawking his opinions at us. After about the fifth time, after repeatetdly mentioning we were just playing for giggles, I snapped.

"Listen, if by chance I suddenly start to give a feth about your opinion, im gonna call you. Until then, please leave us to play in peace."

I have stuff like this very often in the Tabletop scene. Im absolutely fine with people striking up a casual conversation, or introducing themselves if they're into the Hobby as well. But I cant stand people who just walk up to you and then dropping into a lecture and snarky comments "That Paintjob looks bad. That card sucks man. Wow, is that an unpainted Mini?". Usually, I just bark at them once and they leave me alone, but I completely agree that it kills the desire to play in Clubs or the like.

I actually remember a bad store story that I had not thought about in a while, but it's one that made me stop going to this particular store in North Metro Atlanta several years ago.

Back when the current Blood Angels codex came out, I was seriously considering starting a BA army. The pre-release codex thing came to the local store on a Friday, and I was really interested in getting a look at it. The unfortunate thing was that I worked about 30 miles away from the store, and traffic leaving downtown Atlanta on a Friday evening is pretty epic. It took me almost two hours to get there.

When I got there, I discovered that the son of the store's owner (who is a grown man, not a little kid) had decided to take the codex home to read rather than leave it for actual customers to look at. It didn't make its way back to the store for almost a week.

That in itself put a bad taste in my mouth.

Fast forward a few months for when WHFB 8th edition came out. I was really interested in seeing the pre-release copy to read for myself all the stuff I had heard about on the message boards. I make the same 30 mile, rush hour traffic, 90+ minute drive to the store.

Same thing. The son's owner had again taken the book home to read himself. I haven't been back to that store since then, and am glad because I've found an FLGS that provides infinitely better service that is much closer to where I live/work.

The ironic thing? At the time, that guy didn't play either 40K or WHFB.

Lastly, there was a little poetic justice involving this little event. Earlier this year, the new manager at that game store came onto the message boards for the store I currently go to try to drum up support for a tournament. He acknowledged that the store's attendance was down and wanted to try to get more people at their events. The conversation eventually led to me explaining exactly why I didn't go to the store anymore, though I had been a regular there for about 5 years previously. I relayed the exact same story as above, but with a little more detail. It turned out that the new manager to whom I was writing was that exact same owner's son who had been taking the promo copies of the books home rather than letting the customers have access to them.

I'd always considered the "Store copy" thing to be a courtesy, and not something that I really demanded as a function of the store.

Apple fox wrote:
These sorta threads are allways depressing D:

Apple, I would suggest that you take all that information and the texts and such and show them to the actual owner of the store. I just say this because:

a) You shouldn't have to put up with crap like this from the store where you spend your money, and

b) The owner (the older guy) needs to know that his younger business partner seems to think it's ok to try to trade discounts on merchandise for sex.


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 daedalus wrote:
I'd always considered the "Store copy" thing to be a courtesy, and not something that I really demanded as a function of the store.

When the store lets people know that they are getting the pre-release copy of the book on Friday, and then you go to the store to look at it, it's not unreasonable to expect it to be there.

And, to clarify, we're not talking about a "store copy." I'm referring to the old "black box" copy of the book that came with the promotional miniatures. They used to come out a week or so before the actual release of the book for sale. The entire purpose of the "black box" release was to drum up interest in the upcoming release.

In the case of the store I mentioned, the owner (and his son) demonstrated that their own personal interest in the books was more important that the interest their customers might have in it. I'd like to also add that I was not the only person on either occassion to show up hoping for a chance to look at the books in question only to leave frustrated.

For comparison, after the incident with the 8th edition book, I left there and went to Gigabytes Cafe, which absolutely had the book there for people to look at, and there were a lot of people wanting a chance to see it.

Saldiven wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
These sorta threads are allways depressing D:

Apple, I would suggest that you take all that information and the texts and such and show them to the actual owner of the store. I just say this because:

a) You shouldn't have to put up with crap like this from the store where you spend your money, and

b) The owner (the older guy) needs to know that his younger business partner seems to think it's ok to try to trade discounts on merchandise for sex.

Seconding this.

Third.

Sexually harrassing a customer is pretty despicable.

Fourth.

That is no way to treat a female customer. That kind of behaviour is disturbing. Have some respect for your business and for her. Your personal life stays personal.

Apple Fox, you should press harassment charges. Seriously. That kinda crap is unacceptable AND it gives us gamers a bad name. Obviously the unacceptable and illegal actions are more important, but both points are still valid.

Thats sexual harrasment apple.

Makes me want to list my rules for customer service:

Do not inconvenience the customer.
Sucks when people drive so far for something that is not there or you cannot be bothered to get up from a game to make a sale.

Love everyone and trust no-one.
Everyone deserves respect and being polite, but confirm everything, people put spin on information intentional or not.

Meeting customer requests is your responsibility NOW.
You may not have taken the order, placed it, or stored it, but you must go look, ask the right people and keep the customer informed: take responsibility for them.

The customer always has a right: to complain, be grumpy, be wrong or right.
A customer has expectations which can lead to the emotionally charged disappointment.
Like a therapist, we have to provide options or solutions, at the very least to show every effort was made.
Abuse is to be turned away firmly and discuss a willingness to talk further when they calmed down.

The customer is not your friend, they are your livelihood.
You do not get to ridicule them or show special favor (unless financially it can be justified).
You are like a butler; personable, supportive and polite but never personal or you will have tiers of customers and drive new ones away.

I get preachy... I just hate seeing relationships go bad due to lack of thought.

Apple fox wrote:
These sorta threads are allways depressing D:

Anyways.
I was on a trip with a friend and his wife, 7 days away for some baby stuff and and why out see a store and wander in with my friend why his wife was getting lunch.
I decided to get box of new wraith guard , walk up to the counter and the guy supposed to be serving looks up from his card game and just keeps playing. D:
After a few mins my friend comes over and he jumps up to ask if he needed any help...
I just walked out.. This has happen more than once. Realy drives me crazy. But he did apologise when we walked back by and my friend had explane to him .. Shouldn't happen in the first place. He isn't used to girls being interested in warhammer so it seems.

Second happen this passed week >.< and why I thaght to post here tonight. Had order a bunch of daemons and some tau for my huggable. Big order and I had given my number to the store. Who is owned by older guy and I think his little sisters son other in the store.
The older guy is realy nice and allways talks and takes a interest even if he isn't into minis (never even gets close to offensive). But the younger guy is allways being a bit much, gets to close and places his hands in places he probably shouldn't and is allways being a bit like a want to be player.
So I wake up on Wednesday to a new msg, my stuff is all in and if I come in why he is in (younger guy) he will give me a 50% discount, and a picture of his ####, and he was obviously into taking the picture :/

At lunch time I got a msg saying he is off for lunch and he can bring it all around to my house with a winky face o.< .

I just can't beleave this sorta stuff can happen :0 but then it does, again wtf.
Sorry about my english, it's not so great :0.

Snurl, that allways sorta sucks. I have had stuff like that happen before. Can be super frustrating when it happens :(
I think I could make a store rethink that policy over a year D:

That it does Azreal :p context sensitive post, I'm bit strung up tonight due to such a crazy week. Thanks.

That's straight up harassment. Talk to the store owner, show him the picture, then call the police. That's not cool.

This is the first time I have been able to collect my thaghts and reply here.
He had turn up at my house day after I post. (Cut out part of the story)
Was the most scary thing in my life D: but he was taken away by police so for most part it's over >.<
Thanks for letting me write it out. Both times.

Jesus. Hope you're ok? I hope he is severely punished for being such a creep. It's scum like that give the rest of us a bad name.