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Sure. Primarch steps up...

... and then his head (as well as most of his upper torso) vanishes in the "FWEEEOOSH" of a melta.

Those are weapons designed to melt tanks. Melting a Primarch is not a big deal for one.

LightKing wrote:
Primarchs are able to single handily mow down Marines, left and right

So are warbosses, but the Imperium still manages to take them down regularly without needing to call the Astartes in.

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Primarchs are able to single handily mow down Marines, left and right

So are warbosses, but the Imperium still manages to take them down regularly without needing to call the Astartes in.

warbosses arn't on primarch levels


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 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Primarchs are able to single handily mow down Marines, left and right

So are warbosses, but the Imperium still manages to take them down regularly without needing to call the Astartes in.

seriously you think a sister could 1 on 1 beat angron? or horus? or sanguinius? you honestly believe that

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure. Primarch steps up...

... and then his head (as well as most of his upper torso) vanishes in the "FWEEEOOSH" of a melta.

Those are weapons designed to melt tanks. Melting a Primarch is not a big deal for one.

Tell that to Lorgar, who tanks a Plasma Blastgun like a boss.

I doubt one meltagun will do for one of those fellas.

LightKing wrote:
warbosses arn't on primarch levels

Many of them are beyond that level in terms of raw, biological durability.

A primarch couldn't survive decapitation, but a warboss could

Frankly, this entire discussion is silly; my only point was that firepower makes a HUGE impact in equalizing Sisters and Space Marines. Even Guardsmen to some extent.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure. Primarch steps up...

... and then his head (as well as most of his upper torso) vanishes in the "FWEEEOOSH" of a melta.

Those are weapons designed to melt tanks. Melting a Primarch is not a big deal for one.

Tell that to Lorgar, who tanks a Plasma Blastgun like a boss.

I doubt one meltagun will do for one of those fellas.

its sad that their actually trying to argue that a sister could best a primarch in single close combat

I don't even... What? I never said anything about close combat.

ಠ_ಠ

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
warbosses arn't on primarch levels

Many of them are beyond that level in terms of raw, biological durability.

A primarch couldn't survive decapitation, but a warboss could

Frankly, this entire discussion is silly; my only point was that firepower makes a HUGE impact in equalizing Sisters and Space Marines. Even Guardsmen to some extent.

lol..i would like to see a sister 1 on 1 go up against Magnus who destroys her with his psyker ability

LightKing wrote:
seriously you think a sister could 1 on 1 beat angron? or horus? or sanguinius?

I don't see why a Sister would bother attacking Sanguinius in the first place. The guy was declared the first Imperial Saint for a reason. As for Horus and Angron, that depends on if you're talking about before or after they became hopped up on Chaos (and became a demon prince in the case of Angron). Before ascension? Yes.

All it takes is enough firepower. Afterwards? Not really sure.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure. Primarch steps up...

... and then his head (as well as most of his upper torso) vanishes in the "FWEEEOOSH" of a melta.

Those are weapons designed to melt tanks. Melting a Primarch is not a big deal for one.

Tell that to Lorgar, who tanks a Plasma Blastgun like a boss.

I doubt one meltagun will do for one of those fellas.

Plasma is not on par with Melta, sorry.

And Dorn got killed in a boarding action. Primarchs aren't as god-like as people would like to believe.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
I don't even... What? I never said anything about close combat.

ಠ_ಠ

Neither did I, but he's still trying to claim I did...

 Melissia wrote:
Sisters have been shown to be capable of punching Space Marines with more strength than Space Marines can manage

Okay for comparison imagine a super built 180 lb woman hitting a massive 650+lb Olympic athlete of inhuman muscle density with a medal in every event.
It would be like her hitting a steel wall...only the wall can hit back.
This is before we get to the multiple hearts dramatically increasing performance, and the genetically augmented muscle.

LightKing wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
warbosses arn't on primarch levels

Many of them are beyond that level in terms of raw, biological durability.

A primarch couldn't survive decapitation, but a warboss could

Frankly, this entire discussion is silly; my only point was that firepower makes a HUGE impact in equalizing Sisters and Space Marines. Even Guardsmen to some extent.

lol..i would like to see a sister 1 on 1 go up against Magnus who destroys her with his psyker ability

She makes her DTW, his Psychic powers play the sad trombone, and then she delivers a Condemnor-pattern blessed crossbow stake to his eye, and he's gone.

 Psienesis wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure. Primarch steps up...

... and then his head (as well as most of his upper torso) vanishes in the "FWEEEOOSH" of a melta.

Those are weapons designed to melt tanks. Melting a Primarch is not a big deal for one.

Tell that to Lorgar, who tanks a Plasma Blastgun like a boss.

I doubt one meltagun will do for one of those fellas.

Plasma is not on par with Melta, sorry.

And Dorn got killed in a boarding action. Primarchs aren't as god-like as people would like to believe.

Except that the Meltagun is the size of an assault rifle and the Plasma Blastgun is the size of a battle tank.

I doubt that the Meltagun has more firepower.

 Psienesis wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
warbosses arn't on primarch levels

Many of them are beyond that level in terms of raw, biological durability.

A primarch couldn't survive decapitation, but a warboss could

Frankly, this entire discussion is silly; my only point was that firepower makes a HUGE impact in equalizing Sisters and Space Marines. Even Guardsmen to some extent.

lol..i would like to see a sister 1 on 1 go up against Magnus who destroys her with his psyker ability

She makes her DTW, his Psychic powers play the sad trombone, and then she delivers a Condemnor-pattern blessed crossbow stake to his eye, and he's gone.

so in your opinion a sister is more powerful then a primarch 1 on 1....

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Sisters have been shown to be capable of punching Space Marines with more strength than Space Marines can manage

Okay for comparison imagine a super built 180 lb woman hitting a massive 650+lb Olympic athlete of inhuman muscle density with a medal in every event.
It would be like her hitting a steel wall...only the wall can hit back.
This is before we get to the multiple hearts dramatically increasing performance, and the genetically augmented muscle.

Now give her powered armor and a chainsword, and suddenly he's dead before he realizes he's been hit.

Your objection is silly. It really doesn't matter if you have two hearts when the explosion of a singlebolter shell can easily destroy both anyway.

 Melissia wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Sisters have been shown to be capable of punching Space Marines with more strength than Space Marines can manage

Okay for comparison imagine a super built 180 lb woman hitting a massive 650+lb Olympic athlete of inhuman muscle density with a medal in every event.
It would be like her hitting a steel wall...only the wall can hit back.
This is before we get to the multiple hearts dramatically increasing performance, and the genetically augmented muscle.

Now give her powered armor and a chainsword, and suddenly he's dead before he realizes he's been hit.

Your objection is silly.

Now give him powered armour and a chainsword, and the odds are back at the start again?

look of course primarchs arn't gods... they have weaknesses as well...

but when people like melissa and psinesis are sayign a battle sister can beat a primarch 1 on 1..then you know their trolling

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
seriously you think a sister could 1 on 1 beat angron? or horus? or sanguinius?

I don't see why a Sister would bother attacking Sanguinius in the first place. The guy was declared the first Imperial Saint for a reason. As for Horus and Angron, that depends on if you're talking about before or after they became hopped up on Chaos (and became a demon prince in the case of Angron). Before ascension? Yes.

All it takes is enough firepower. Afterwards? Not really sure.

Couldn't Sanguinius speedblitz armies at like mach 40 , and see bolter rounds moving a few feet per second?

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Now give him powered armour and a chainsword, and the odds are back at the start again?

Not really, because all it takes is a single blow for either of them to die, meaning... both of them are effectively equal.

Just like how it doesn't matter how big your muscles are when you're being mowed down by a heavy machinegun.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
seriously you think a sister could 1 on 1 beat angron? or horus? or sanguinius?

I don't see why a Sister would bother attacking Sanguinius in the first place. The guy was declared the first Imperial Saint for a reason. As for Horus and Angron, that depends on if you're talking about before or after they became hopped up on Chaos (and became a demon prince in the case of Angron). Before ascension? Yes.

All it takes is enough firepower. Afterwards? Not really sure.

Couldn't Sanguinius speedblitz armies at like mach 40 , and see bolter rounds moving a few feet per second?

nope according to psinesis, whos been playing for over 20+ years...a battle sister can beat a primarch 1 on 1

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Couldn't Sanguinius speedblitz armies at like mach 40 , and see bolter rounds moving a few feet per second?

No.

LightKing wrote:
look of course primarchs arn't gods... they have weaknesses as well...

A meltagun to the face is a very common weakness

 Melissia wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:
Couldn't Sanguinius speedblitz armies at like mach 40 , and see bolter rounds moving a few feet per second?

No.

LightKing wrote:
look of course primarchs arn't gods... they have weaknesses as well...

A meltagun to the face is a very common weakness

so primarchs can't use meltaguns too? lol


in H2H, melee combat........Sangunius would destroy a sister

 Melissia wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Now give him powered armour and a chainsword, and the odds are back at the start again?

Not really, because all it takes is a single blow for either of them to die, meaning... both of them are effectively equal.

Just like how it doesn't matter how big your muscles are when you're being mowed down by a heavy machinegun.

I believe power armour is able to deflect a chainsword to some degree, but the Marine would, under normal conditions, be able to strike harder, faster, in a more skilled way, and be more resistant to the damage suffered (Say, concussion damage from being smacked with a chainsword that fails to penetrate)


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LightKing wrote:


in H2H, melee combat........Sangunius would destroy a sister

Nobody has ever said he wouldn't.

LightKing wrote:
so primarchs can't use meltaguns too? lol

At which point they would be equal to other wielders of meltaguns.

LightKing wrote:
in H2H, melee combat........Sangunius would destroy a sister

Unless she shot him before he could get in to close combat to begin with. Which was exactly what I have been saying for something like half an hour now.

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
so primarchs can't use meltaguns too? lol

At which point they would be equal to other wielders of meltaguns.

LightKing wrote:
in H2H, melee combat........Sangunius would destroy a sister

Unless she shot him before he could get in to close combat to begin with. Which was exactly what I have been saying for something like half an hour now.

no they wouldn't be = since sanguinius would still have superior reflexes and marksmanship then a sister


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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Now give him powered armour and a chainsword, and the odds are back at the start again?

Not really, because all it takes is a single blow for either of them to die, meaning... both of them are effectively equal.

Just like how it doesn't matter how big your muscles are when you're being mowed down by a heavy machinegun.

I believe power armour is able to deflect a chainsword to some degree, but the Marine would, under normal conditions, be able to strike harder, faster, in a more skilled way, and be more resistant to the damage suffered (Say, concussion damage from being smacked with a chainsword that fails to penetrate)


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LightKing wrote:


in H2H, melee combat........Sangunius would destroy a sister

Nobody has ever said he wouldn't.

well the meltagun excuse is stupid as well, since a primarch with a meltagun would still have superior physical attributes like reflexes etc. then a sister

Guardsmen can also utilise melta, therefore they are the galaxies greatest soldiers.

Thread always reaches a new level of silly once Melissa brings her unique brand of reasoning.

 Melissia wrote:
At which point they would be equal to other wielders of meltaguns.

I really must doubt that it's that easy to oneshot a Primarch with a meltagun. As said, Lorgar tanked a Plasma Blastgun, a Titan weapon, and survived. That's like comparing a Guardsman punch to a Dreadnought punch.

MarsNZ wrote:
Guardsmen can also utilise melta, therefore they are the galaxies greatest soldiers.

Thread always reaches a new level of silly once Melissa brings her unique brand of reasoning.

lol LMFAO

LightKing wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
warbosses arn't on primarch levels

Many of them are beyond that level in terms of raw, biological durability.

A primarch couldn't survive decapitation, but a warboss could

Frankly, this entire discussion is silly; my only point was that firepower makes a HUGE impact in equalizing Sisters and Space Marines. Even Guardsmen to some extent.

lol..i would like to see a sister 1 on 1 go up against Magnus who destroys her with his psyker ability

She makes her DTW, his Psychic powers play the sad trombone, and then she delivers a Condemnor-pattern blessed crossbow stake to his eye, and he's gone.

so in your opinion a sister is more powerful then a primarch 1 on 1....

/facepalm

Do you not understand how this works? The Sister of Battle is protected through her faith in the God-Emperor of Mankind. Is Magnus stronger than the Emperor? Feth no. That's a known quantity.
You know who seems to have the Sisters' backs? The God-Emperor, Himself.

The Sister can channel her faith into truly miraculous events.... miracles like standing in the midst of Magnus' psychic freak-out unharmed and untouched, because she is pure of faith, and is sheltered by the hand of the God-Emperor Himself. Then, her blessed, psyker-killing weapon comes into play, and because Magnus is a fething huge dude with a fething huge target on his forehead that a child could shoot, she puts a psyker-killing crossbow bolt into his dome. Magnus falls down and "dies". It's a miracle! True David vs Goliath story here. Sister Davidia gets Sainted for this.

Could Magnus, in other circumstances, wipe out scores of Sisters with psychic powers because they didn't get a chance to say their prayers? Sure.

What I'm really trying to say here is that none of these fights are as straight-forward or clear-cut as you seem to think they would be.