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If a librarian arrives by ds, can he manifest powers that are cast at the start of his movement phase? I think he can though confirmation would be appreciated.

Cheers

No he cannot. He can use Witchfires in the shooting phase though.

He can, however, have blessings cast on him after he has arrived, so long as the caster has not also arrived from reserves that turn.

For the record, core rulebook, page 67, 1st column, 3 paragraph.

Is it time for this thread again already?
"On a turn that a psyker arrives from reserve (see page 124) he cannot attempt to manifest any psychic powers that must be manifested at the start of the Movement phase." - BRB, page 67.

Thanks all, much appreciated. I'd been going through the rule book all week and just couldn't find the damn thing lol.

@PrinceRaven, hope my asking a question didn't keep you up all night crying. Thanks for your help.

The one exception I've found on this topic is GOI. This requires the unit to have either a mastery level 2 or greater psyker or more than one psyker so that the unit can use more than one power per turn. The unit starts the turn on the board and uses GOI to DS somewhere else on the battlefield. A second blessing or a malediction could then be used by that same unit.

The prohibition for using those powers is for psykers coming in from reserves, not for psykers that DS. Usually the two are hand in hand but as can be seen by GOI, that is not always the case.

No. Deep striking is movement. You must cast before movement...

Lungpickle wrote:
No. Deep striking is movement. You must cast before movement...

No, deep Striking is part of entering from reserves which is done at the start of the turn at the same time as psychic powers which means you get to choose which you do first and is verified by the BRB FAQ

Lungpickle wrote:
No. Deep striking is movement. You must cast before movement...

Oh? Well to resolve GOI you must DS. As GOI is a blessing and you can use blessings/maledictions in any order you choose it seems that statement is incorrect.

Lungpickle wrote:
No. Deep striking is movement. You must cast before movement...

It's almost like you made a statement with no supporting evidence...
Oh. You did. An incorrect statement as the post you responded to included all the information you needed to verify it.
Oops.

Feeeel the internet rage, it's so palpable! I'm off to warhammer world today, will ask them and post the results back here later tonight.

 kitch102 wrote:
Feeeel the internet rage, it's so palpable! I'm off to warhammer world today, will ask them and post the results back here later tonight.

Don't bother. Tenet 2.

Tenet 2?

Either way, the staff at WW say they can as arriving from reserve happens before movement. Casting in the movement phase does not constitute movement so he's not breaking any rules by doing so.

That's what they said anyway. As it happens the powers that I cast had no effect in game anyway, so whether it was right of wrong to do so, no one lost out by my using it.

Read the sticky at the top.

Simply put, events staff have a fairly poor understanding of rules. Reserves is set the start of the movement phase.

Bojazz wrote:
He can, however, have blessings cast on him after he has arrived, so long as the caster has not also arrived from reserves that turn.

Is this the accepted way most of us are playing this now? I was doing a small bit of research on this prior to reading this thread and it seemed to still be hotly debated (even after the BRB FAQ).

I personally agree with the above quote, btw.

 Voidwraith wrote:

Bojazz wrote:
He can, however, have blessings cast on him after he has arrived, so long as the caster has not also arrived from reserves that turn.

Is this the accepted way most of us are playing this now? I was doing a small bit of research on this prior to reading this thread and it seemed to still be hotly debated (even after the BRB FAQ).

I personally agree with the above quote, btw.

What debate can there be? The rules are pretty explicit on this one.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Voidwraith wrote:

Bojazz wrote:
He can, however, have blessings cast on him after he has arrived, so long as the caster has not also arrived from reserves that turn.

Is this the accepted way most of us are playing this now? I was doing a small bit of research on this prior to reading this thread and it seemed to still be hotly debated (even after the BRB FAQ).

I personally agree with the above quote, btw.

What debate can there be? The rules are pretty explicit on this one.

You're right. I asked this question because I DIDN'T find multiple threads arguing about this topic when I did a google search.

/sarcasm off

I spelled out how I felt, which is in agreement with the above poster, who I'm hoping speaks for most of the planet nowadays (the posts were more in time with the arrival of the FAQ regarding all of this). I was just looking for clarification of a rule on a forum that specifically talks about rules. Silly me.

 Voidwraith wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Voidwraith wrote:

Bojazz wrote:
He can, however, have blessings cast on him after he has arrived, so long as the caster has not also arrived from reserves that turn.

Is this the accepted way most of us are playing this now? I was doing a small bit of research on this prior to reading this thread and it seemed to still be hotly debated (even after the BRB FAQ).

I personally agree with the above quote, btw.

What debate can there be? The rules are pretty explicit on this one.

You're right. I asked this question because I DIDN'T find multiple threads arguing about this topic when I did a google search.

/sarcasm off

I spelled out how I felt, which is in agreement with the above poster, who I'm hoping speaks for most of the planet nowadays (the posts were more in time with the arrival of the FAQ regarding all of this). I was just looking for clarification of a rule on a forum that specifically talks about rules. Silly me.

Almost all of those threads are actually arguing what this thread was asking about and are misinterpreting the FAQ to think it was applying to that situation.

Their is no question about it. The FAQ is very clear about it. If people disagree it is only because they are stupid.

There are other threads talking about this thread? God, have I created a monster?!

Anyway back ot, I spoke to my flgs manager today, not saying what I'd been told at WW, and was told the complete opposite; a librarian can not cast blessings or maledictions, if they are cast in the movement phase, on the turn that he arrives from reserves. In much the same way as a locator beacon cannot be used in the same turn that it arrives, both essentially need a turn to "activate" or power up.

 kitch102 wrote:
There are other threads talking about this thread? God, have I created a monster?!

Anyway back ot, I spoke to my flgs manager today, not saying what I'd been told at WW, and was told the complete opposite; a librarian can not cast blessings or maledictions, if they are cast in the movement phase, on the turn that he arrives from reserves. In much the same way as a locator beacon cannot be used in the same turn that it arrives, both essentially need a turn to "activate" or power up.

This is true, a psyker cannot use a blessing/malediction on the turn it arrives from reserve. That is not the question in the title though. The question is can a psyker use use powers the same turn it Deep Strikes?

Deep Striking does not always mean the unit is coming in from reserve and it itself does not prohibit the use of any powers.

Actually, that WAS the question. He asked if he could use powers in the turn the librarian ARRIVES by deep strike.
The GOI reference (the only deep strike NOT from reserves possible) was only brought up later to highlight an exception.

Bojazz wrote:
Actually, that WAS the question. He asked if he could use powers in the turn the librarian ARRIVES by deep strike.
The GOI reference (the only deep strike NOT from reserves possible) was only brought up later to highlight an exception.

Arriving from reserves is a specific game mechanic found on page 124 of the BRB. Arriving by Deep Strike is part of the DS rules on page 36 of the BRB. You cannot DS without arriving by DS. While 'from reseves' could be assumed and was likely the intent I just wanted to be clear as it was not specified.

You cannot cast powers if you just arrived on the board, or if you just came in from reserve you cannot have powers cast on you. Via BRB pg 67 and FAQ.

It only says, reserve ROLLS and psychic powers happen at the same time, so you choose first if it is your turn, which it will be seeing as you're coming in from reserve.

They had to do that in the case of the grey knights psychic communion


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Q: Blessings are manifested ‘at the start of the Psyker’s Movement
phase’ – does this mean they happen simultaneously with Reserves
rolls, Outflanking rolls etc and if so which is resolved first? (p68)
A: They do occur simultaneously – as such, the player whose
turn it is decides in what order these things occur as per
page 9 of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

Ub3rb3n wrote:
You cannot cast powers if you just arrived on the board, or if you just came in from reserve you cannot have powers cast on you. Via BRB pg 67 and FAQ.

It only says, reserve ROLLS and psychic powers happen at the same time, so you choose first if it is your turn, which it will be seeing as you're coming in from reserve.

They had to do that in the case of the grey knights psychic communion

Except moving on is simultaneous with reserve rolls. Via the FAQ. So yes, you can be buffed the turn you arrive on the board.
Edit: this is because the FAQ makes Outflank rolls (made when you move on) simultaneous with Reserve rolls and with casting powers.

rigeld2 wrote:

Ub3rb3n wrote:
You cannot cast powers if you just arrived on the board, or if you just came in from reserve you cannot have powers cast on you. Via BRB pg 67 and FAQ.

It only says, reserve ROLLS and psychic powers happen at the same time, so you choose first if it is your turn, which it will be seeing as you're coming in from reserve.

They had to do that in the case of the grey knights psychic communion

Except moving on is simultaneous with reserve rolls. Via the FAQ. So yes, you can be buffed the turn you arrive on the board.
Edit: this is because the FAQ makes Outflank rolls (made when you move on) simultaneous with Reserve rolls and with casting powers.

can you link that they are simultaneous as reserve rolls because I don't think that is correct.

It goes:
Reserve rolls or powers
then movements
so coming in from reserve and regular movement

Ub3rb3n wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Ub3rb3n wrote:
You cannot cast powers if you just arrived on the board, or if you just came in from reserve you cannot have powers cast on you. Via BRB pg 67 and FAQ.

It only says, reserve ROLLS and psychic powers happen at the same time, so you choose first if it is your turn, which it will be seeing as you're coming in from reserve.

They had to do that in the case of the grey knights psychic communion

Except moving on is simultaneous with reserve rolls. Via the FAQ. So yes, you can be buffed the turn you arrive on the board.
Edit: this is because the FAQ makes Outflank rolls (made when you move on) simultaneous with Reserve rolls and with casting powers.

can you link that they are simultaneous as reserve rolls because I don't think that is correct.

It goes:
Reserve rolls or powers
then movements
so coming in from reserve and regular movement

You quoted it in that FAQ. It says that powers, reserve rolls, and outflank rolls are simultaneous.
We know that outflank rolls are made when a unit moves onto the board. P40.
Therefore you can choose to move models onto the board prior to casting powers.

Psychic powers are simultaneous with outflanking rolls, per the FAQ.
Outflanking rolls are made when the unit arrives on the board, per page 40 of the rulebook.
Following that logic, we may choose to have units arrive on the board before manifesting psychic powers, as they are all considered simultaneous.

EDIT: Ninja'd

Ub3rb3n wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Ub3rb3n wrote:
You cannot cast powers if you just arrived on the board, or if you just came in from reserve you cannot have powers cast on you. Via BRB pg 67 and FAQ.

It only says, reserve ROLLS and psychic powers happen at the same time, so you choose first if it is your turn, which it will be seeing as you're coming in from reserve.

They had to do that in the case of the grey knights psychic communion

Except moving on is simultaneous with reserve rolls. Via the FAQ. So yes, you can be buffed the turn you arrive on the board.
Edit: this is because the FAQ makes Outflank rolls (made when you move on) simultaneous with Reserve rolls and with casting powers.

can you link that they are simultaneous as reserve rolls because I don't think that is correct.

It goes:
Reserve rolls or powers
then movements
so coming in from reserve and regular movement

Everything that occurs before 'regular movement' would be considered as happening at the start of the turn/Movement phase. Since the rulebook clearly states that units arriving from reserve make their moves before other units on the board may move normally it is clear that this movement occurs at the start of the turn/Movement phase.

 Ghaz wrote:

Ub3rb3n wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Ub3rb3n wrote:
You cannot cast powers if you just arrived on the board, or if you just came in from reserve you cannot have powers cast on you. Via BRB pg 67 and FAQ.

It only says, reserve ROLLS and psychic powers happen at the same time, so you choose first if it is your turn, which it will be seeing as you're coming in from reserve.

They had to do that in the case of the grey knights psychic communion

Except moving on is simultaneous with reserve rolls. Via the FAQ. So yes, you can be buffed the turn you arrive on the board.
Edit: this is because the FAQ makes Outflank rolls (made when you move on) simultaneous with Reserve rolls and with casting powers.

can you link that they are simultaneous as reserve rolls because I don't think that is correct.

It goes:
Reserve rolls or powers
then movements
so coming in from reserve and regular movement

Everything that occurs before 'regular movement' would be considered as happening at the start of the turn/Movement phase. Since the rulebook clearly states that units arriving from reserve make their moves before other units on the board may move normally it is clear that this movement occurs at the start of the turn/Movement phase.

well no, because it says to do ALL your reserve rolls first, then start moving them on the table one by one, and then move your units that were already on the board. So reserve rolls and movement of reserves onto the table are not at the same time. page 120 BRB "At the start of turn 2, you must roll a D6 for each unit being held in reserves..." then it says "when reserves arrive, the player picks any one of the units arriving and deploys it, moving it onto the table below..."