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Is it possible to fit a Tau Manta + Minimum troops and a HQ in under 2000 points?

No. Get the book, and also a car. You will need that to carry the manta to your FLGS.

no... Just dude... No....

Manta is worth as much by default, without any upgrades.

Do you know what a Manta costs (in points)?

I only have the aeronautica book. but it believe no. as it doesn't have 2 troops and an hq.

HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big. And it still has to land to unload, just like a thunderhawk. Essentially, its a 2 foot wide target. Run like 15 hammerheads instead.

 Aeroroot wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big. And it still has to land to unload, just like a thunderhawk. Essentially, its a 2 foot wide target. Run like 15 hammerheads instead.

You don't even need Skyfire to shoot it. It's that big.

I don't even see the point. For the price a Titan is better at killing.

 Aeroroot wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big. And it still has to land to unload, just like a thunderhawk. Essentially, its a 2 foot wide target. Run like 15 hammerheads instead.

You mean besides the fact that you cant take 15 hammerheads in a regular 2k game?

as well what book as it at 1800 points?

 Desubot wrote:

 Aeroroot wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big. And it still has to land to unload, just like a thunderhawk. Essentially, its a 2 foot wide target. Run like 15 hammerheads instead.

You mean besides the fact that you cant take 15 hammerheads in a regular 2k game?

as well what book as it at 1800 points?

He did say "over" 1800 points, which is correct. It is somewhere over 1800 points. Question is, are we allowed to give exact points cost here?

Nope. Not a chance. 2500, I think you should be alright.

When I say alright, I mean in terms of points. If you have a Tau Manta, your mental state has probably never been alright to start with.

 Aeroroot wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big.

So over 80 S5 long barrel burstcannon shots, 9 twin linked ion cannon shots, 2 str D railguns, a misslepod, and 10 seeker missles a turn isnt good lol.

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Aeroroot wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big.

So over 80 S5 long barrel burstcannon shots, 9 twin linked ion cannon shots, 2 str D railguns, a misslepod, and 10 seeker missles a turn isnt good lol.

For the price? No. The Rev Titan can still wipe armies single handedly with it's 4 S D blasts, and for under half the price too. Then again, Eldar titans are very OP...

There is no point in taking a manta if don't have the points left over to support it. The thing gets you props for owning it, but read the disclaimer carefully aka - you will need space to store it and it can ruin relationships

"Hey that is an interesting looking coffee table" - pffft gurl thats my manta XD

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Aeroroot wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA no. A tau manta is over 1800pts. Seriously, why? Just...why? Its not like it is really that good, just big.

So over 80 S5 long barrel burstcannon shots, 9 twin linked ion cannon shots, 2 str D railguns, a misslepod, and 10 seeker missles a turn isnt good lol.

For the price? No.

I honestly think its worth the price if you can afford it. A manta falls in line with items like Gucci bags, and Ferrari's. Nobody needs a Gucci bag, or Ferrari, but guess what? Some people have money to blow on these items. And some war-gamers *shocker* actually have good jobs to buy mantas, titan maniples...etc.

So to answer the question I would love to play against a manta at 2700 pts. Turn 1 blast my opponents models off the table, end of turn 1 I win.

Edit: spelling errors..

Heh, good point

Part of the danger of Escalation, I suppose.

I'd imagine anyone using it is doing it purely for the lols anyway. I mean, who would get it because of its competetiveness?

I meant to add that I would only play against a manta in escalation if it was a real one and not a scratch build.

I don't care how good your scratch build looks, if it didnt come from FW its not a manta. That and it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

You are probably better off playing Epic 40K. It's where stuff like that belongs.

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

NamelessBard wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

Or if someone built their own house instead of buying one. Or if someone made their own anything without buying the full product. It should be commended. They used their brain and skill.

#1 - Wasn't going to buy one, but was going to make one myself.
#2 - Is it possible to run it in a 2500 point match?

Being that the Manta takes way to many points and is too expensive I only wanted to know if someone could formulate a list so I could just run it for fun, not competitively, but just to do it a few times. So could anyone make a list?

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
#1 - Wasn't going to buy one, but was going to make one myself.
#2 - Is it possible to run it in a 2500 point match?

Being that the Manta takes way to many points and is too expensive I only wanted to know if someone could formulate a list so I could just run it for fun, not competitively, but just to do it a few times. So could anyone make a list?

It is possible to run it in a 2500 point match. The problem is though that first turn it would be you with a ~500 point army against the other guy's ~2500 point army. You will have to make your opponent promise not to table you on the first turn

Well, the manta is not that bad. It would be able to do some significant damage before just going down right?

 Swastakowey wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

Or if someone built their own house instead of buying one. Or if someone made their own anything without buying the full product. It should be commended. They used their brain and skill.

What do houses have to do with a miniature's game? In all seriousness though people who scratch build because they are too poor, or lazy since they dont want to use their brain and skill to get a job that pays enough, or saves money to be able to afford one should not be commended.

I can do it too

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

Or if someone built their own house instead of buying one. Or if someone made their own anything without buying the full product. It should be commended. They used their brain and skill.

What do houses have to do with a miniature's game? In all seriousness though people who scratch build because they are too poor, or lazy since they dont want to use their brain and skill to get a job that pays enough, or saves money to be able to afford one should not be commended.

I can do it too

or is blackadder. man his thunderhawk is coming along.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/372703.page

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

Or if someone built their own house instead of buying one. Or if someone made their own anything without buying the full product. It should be commended. They used their brain and skill.

What do houses have to do with a miniature's game? In all seriousness though people who scratch build because they are too poor, or lazy since they dont want to use their brain and skill to get a job that pays enough, or saves money to be able to afford one should not be commended.

I can do it too

houses are expensive, (like GW models) but you can buy a made one (like GW models), by one in bits (like GW models) or build your own (like GW models). You dont NEED to buy a house (like GW models) so well besides the product there is no difference.

And being rich doesnt mean being smart. My boss is incredibly wealthy (i do his banking) and yet he can barely read and write (let alone speak) english properly. So just because you might have money doesnt mean ill see you as any less dumb as someone without money. Here in NZ its very hard to get a good job unless you are lucky enough to know the right people. Its hard to believe there are people like you in this world. Sick animals. If you where being sarcastic let me know. If not well you make me sick. I have worse things to say to you but last time i made a comment about someone with your opinion i got in a bit of trouble.

Build your own manta OP, make it look awesome!

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

Or if someone built their own house instead of buying one. Or if someone made their own anything without buying the full product. It should be commended. They used their brain and skill.

What do houses have to do with a miniature's game? In all seriousness though people who scratch build because they are too poor, or lazy since they dont want to use their brain and skill to get a job that pays enough, or saves money to be able to afford one should not be commended.

I can do it too

houses are expensive, (like GW models) but you can buy a made one (like GW models), by one in bits (like GW models) or build your own (like GW models). You dont NEED to buy a house (like GW models) so well besides the product there is no difference.

And being rich doesnt mean being smart. My boss is incredibly wealthy (i do his banking) and yet he can barely read and write (let alone speak) english properly. So just because you might have money doesnt mean ill see you as any less dumb as someone without money. Here in NZ its very hard to get a good job unless you are lucky enough to know the right people. Its hard to believe there are people like you in this world. Sick animals. If you where being sarcastic let me know. If not well you make me sick. I have worse things to say to you but last time i made a comment about someone with your opinion i got in a bit of trouble.

Build your own manta OP, make it look awesome!

You talk like networking is easy, it takes skills to be able to network. And trust me there is nothing worse than working for morons so I feel your pain. But don't hate me because I used my brains to acquire skills that pay, then went out and started networking to find a job that allows me to routinely buy expensive stuff from FW so I can play the game as GW intended. However said job is a curse as I hardly have time to play and enjoy the hobby I love as I'm always working. My model building skills have degraded to the point where I was barely able to put Asterion Moloc togther and I broke Ivanus Enkomi's crosius lol. Frankly the only thing holding me back from buying a manta or Titan is I would never be able to put it togther or if I did it would be all deformed and held togther with tape and Elmer's glue.

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

In a word no... hell no

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
it's an insult to those people out there who spent the money on a real one.

It's really not what it is at all. Even if someone put a shoebox on a flight stand, it's still not an insult to someone spending money.

Or if someone built their own house instead of buying one. Or if someone made their own anything without buying the full product. It should be commended. They used their brain and skill.

What do houses have to do with a miniature's game? In all seriousness though people who scratch build because they are too poor, or lazy since they dont want to use their brain and skill to get a job that pays enough, or saves money to be able to afford one should not be commended.

I can do it too

houses are expensive, (like GW models) but you can buy a made one (like GW models), by one in bits (like GW models) or build your own (like GW models). You dont NEED to buy a house (like GW models) so well besides the product there is no difference.

And being rich doesnt mean being smart. My boss is incredibly wealthy (i do his banking) and yet he can barely read and write (let alone speak) english properly. So just because you might have money doesnt mean ill see you as any less dumb as someone without money. Here in NZ its very hard to get a good job unless you are lucky enough to know the right people. Its hard to believe there are people like you in this world. Sick animals. If you where being sarcastic let me know. If not well you make me sick. I have worse things to say to you but last time i made a comment about someone with your opinion i got in a bit of trouble.

Build your own manta OP, make it look awesome!

You talk like networking is easy, it takes skills to be able to network. And trust me there is nothing worse than working for morons so I feel your pain. But don't hate me because I used my brains to acquire skills that pay, then went out and started networking to find a job that allows me to routinely buy expensive stuff from FW so I can play the game as GW intended. However said job is a curse as I hardly have time to play and enjoy the hobby I love as I'm always working. My model building skills have degraded to the point where I was barely able to put Asterion Moloc togther and I broke Ivanus Enkomi's crosius lol. Frankly the only thing holding me back from buying a manta or Titan is I would never be able to put it togther or if I did it would be all deformed and held togther with tape and Elmer's glue.

All I ask my opponent is to have the correct model if it has a model from GW. However if there is no model to buy then by all means scratch build.

Im not hating on you for being wealthy, just your view on the unwealthy. Imagine if when you went to the interview you where hit by a car and missed it. someone else got that job and when you got out of hospital you couldnt find another oppurtunity and got stuck at McDonalds? Would you be upset if i refused to play you because you didnt have a company made model because you couldnt afford to pay for it? What if i started saying how brain dead and lazy you where for working at a low pay rate? You probably would be upset. If getting wealthy was easy for anyone we would all be wealthy.

I just (and i am by no means poor) find it very offensive you would say something like that. Its pretty similar to racism. Wealth isnt something people can control. What about people in 3rd world countries, you gonna rip into their intellegenace for playing wargames with coloured stones too? what about 14 year old kids using army men (something i had to do a mere 5 years ago), gonna tell them to give up the game because their parents are too dumb to earn enough to buy you over priced plastic?

Sorry but no amount of friendly replies talking about your luck will soften my dislike towards you.