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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 06:50:20
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Steady Dwarf Warrior
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I love the BA models and I like the idea of being a renegade SM chapter. Which is the best codex for a beginner? BA, Chaos or maybe Vanilla? I enjoyed shooting in the few games I did play. Can you guys help me please?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 07:03:32
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Well, BA just might be the worst (as in power level) codex in the game right now, so there's that.
Is there any specific theme, besides shooty, you'd like to do? Like bikes, jump packs, tanks, etc? Do you want allies, or a pure force? And what sort of renegades were you thinking? They don't necessarily have to be very Chaotic, but if you want daemonic influence and such, you might want to go for the CSM book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 09:48:02
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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SM is powerful but lacks specialization. (The best)
BA is the worst dex out there now but is cool and fluffy. (The funniest)
CSM however is both competitive and fluffy with several intresting builds. (Something between those two)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 22:57:43
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Steady Dwarf Warrior
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The fluff behind my chapter is that they are blood angels successors that have gone renegade and have submitted to the red thirst. The few games I have played with the LGS loaner army was with regular marines and I enjoyed using ranged weapons and flamers. I just can't figure out which chapter rules to use in csm and I don't want to buy a codex that I'm not going to use. I'm not a big fan of close combat so I reckon ba is not an option. I'm very unfamiliar with the chaos codex and I'm not a huge fan of daemons and cultists. Does csm still have a Vulcan option with the flamer special rule. Thanks guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 23:04:02
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Go the Bluhd Rehvehns and play em as ether or.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 07:05:58
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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irondad wrote: Does csm still have a Vulcan option with the flamer special rule.
What...? I don't even know what to say. Are you suggesting that. Chaos Codex would be able to field a model unique to Cdoex: SM and have a rule also unique and part of different 'dex.
Sorry, it just doesn't work like that, no more can I play BA and field Eldrad as my HQ.
EDIT: not meaning to be a scumbag here, apologies.
So did you mean CSM or C: SM (those two dots can be confusing  ).
In case you meant chaos, then you are way off the track. Chaos has it's own codex and can not therefore use models or special rules of Marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 07:15:00
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Steady Dwarf Warrior
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Well..... Csm was meant to be read as codex space marines. Sorry if I confused you. Automatically Appended Next Post: After reading your edit I'm pretty sure you were trying to correct my mistake...classy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 08:07:49
Subject: Re:Chaos SM or BA?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think in your situation having an army of C:SM and taking an allied detachment from C:BA would be your best bet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 08:11:00
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Based on the things you have said the Space Marine codex is the one you want.
The thing about all three of these books is they represent very similar model ranges. Thus with a little conversion work it is possible to make an army using space marine models for any or all of the codexes without buying a lot extra stuff. As an example; take the Sanguinary Guard models and give them bat wings instead of feathers. These models represent an elite jump pack squad, so, any unit the fits that description would work for rules. This unit could now be used as (BA) Sanguinary Guard, (SM) Vanguard, or (CSM) Warp Talons. Only the models unique to the codex would need to used unless your really creative. Just let your opponent know before the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/18 08:14:56
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Well that explains it, my mistake. Just got confused since you we're speaking of Chaos in previous sentence.
Salamanders are actually a valid choice and would be my choice of the new SM codex. But I'm not fond of Vulkan. He just isn't worth the points IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 02:25:54
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Steady Dwarf Warrior
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Are space wolves still competitive? Not that I really care. I just want a flexible shooty codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 08:14:53
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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Space Wolves have one of the best Marine Troop choice in the game.
Grey Hunters.
1) they have both bolters and CCW's
2) they get two special weapons
3) hidden PW's
4) counter assault
Both good shooting and close combat, they are versatile and relatively cheap. Their Long Fangs are also great compared to Devs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 10:00:25
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I like Space Wolves, They are a fun good codex, Their major problem is that most of the time you will use Grey Hunters, Long Fangs and Thunderwolf Cavalry and nothing else as most other things arent as good as those three units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 10:06:13
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So is chaos an option now or not? I'd say go for Chaos Marines if you want a renegade chapter. On the other hand, you want a shooty army being the successors of the blood angels who succumbed to the red thirst..? Not seeing them much shooting, more in the rip&tear-department, tbh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 12:32:12
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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CSM 100 times over BA.
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"For eleven hundred years, I have fought and I have seen the darkness in our galaxy. I have seen the vileness of the alien and the heresy of the mutant. I have witnessed the sin of possession. I have seen all the evil that the galaxy harbours, and I have slain all whose presence defiles the Emperor. I have seen what you will see. I have fought what you must fight, and I have slain what you must slay... so fear not and be proud, for we are the sons of Sanguinius, the protectors of Mankind. Aye, we are indeed the Angels of Death." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 13:08:48
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Crimson Devil wrote:The thing about all three of these books is they represent very similar model ranges. Thus with a little conversion work it is possible to make an army using space marine models for any or all of the codexes without buying a lot extra stuff.
Aye, this. Chaos Space Marines aren't all covered in spikes - renegades that have just tipped over the edge will still have their imperial armors and such, just maybe deface their Chapter symbols and start painting on other markings. The old Chapter Master might pick up a daemon weapon and a horned helmet one day after defeating the champion of a Chaos warband that tries to bully the new guys. After some battle losses a few men might have to start using armor pieces scavenged from dead CSM. And so on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 13:15:12
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Alpha Legion is practically sustained through stealing Loyalist equipment wherever they can as far as I know the fluff...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 15:36:28
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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You just made very weak enemy!
Okay, to be fair the Chaos is a lot better than BA overall.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 16:08:18
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Just use BA models, I think the death company box is the best in the SM range, and use other Codex rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 19:51:28
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Steady Dwarf Warrior
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I have the new tactical box and the DC box. I want to make an army with ba models that is not chaos but not loyalist. I just like shooting. probably sm codex with all their shootyness and their flyer. Thank you all for your help. You guys are awesome. I'll be sure to post some pics of the army as its made. Happy holidays!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 20:58:32
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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soomemafia wrote:
You just made very weak enemy!
Okay, to be fair the Chaos is a lot better than BA overall.
LOL I'm sorry... there may or may not have been a lot of bias in my post
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"For eleven hundred years, I have fought and I have seen the darkness in our galaxy. I have seen the vileness of the alien and the heresy of the mutant. I have witnessed the sin of possession. I have seen all the evil that the galaxy harbours, and I have slain all whose presence defiles the Emperor. I have seen what you will see. I have fought what you must fight, and I have slain what you must slay... so fear not and be proud, for we are the sons of Sanguinius, the protectors of Mankind. Aye, we are indeed the Angels of Death." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 21:37:26
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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MephistonLoD wrote: soomemafia wrote: You just made very weak enemy! Okay, to be fair the Chaos is a lot better than BA overall. LOL I'm sorry... there may or may not have been a lot of bias in my post  Well opinions are always allowed  I have just never truly accepted the fact that my favourite army sucks But to be fair the BA have one thing better than CSM overall. Tanks. Everything you have, so do we but it's fast! And Baal Predator is awesome. Okay, Defiler is technically a tank I guess, and Heldrake kicks ass... but still Automatically Appended Next Post: irondad wrote:I have the new tactical box and the DC box. I want to make an army with ba models that is not chaos but not loyalist. I just like shooting. probably sm codex with all their shootyness and their flyer. Thank you all for your help. You guys are awesome. I'll be sure to post some pics of the army as its made. Happy holidays!!!! So you wan't a Marine army that isn't marines... or chaos...? Is there a third option? Well, you can always create one at least! A little work on the fluff and you might have some kick-ass mercenary marines who got bored of being pushed around maybe? But sounds promising and I'll look forward to seeing them! Happy holidays to you as well!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 04:39:07
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Steady Dwarf Warrior
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Yes there is a third option. The fluff is being developed right now and I hope it will change the way people think of the game. Its not always good vs evil. Haha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 13:51:59
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Khorne Rhino Driver with Destroyer
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Honestly I'd say go with a renegade army using the vanilla SM rules. The Chaos 'dex doesn't really fit newer traitors who haven't magically forgotten how to use drop pods and who don't have the kind of resources or connections to the Dark Mechanicus required to build large firebreathing dinosaur-birds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 21:50:09
Subject: Chaos SM or BA?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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LOL. BA. LOL. That is all.
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