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90- Autarch - jet bike
Avenger shuriken catapult

170- jet bike squad x10
170- jet bike squad x10
85- jet bike sqaud x5

285- howling banshee exarch - mirror swords
Howling banshee x9
Wave serpent

285- howling banshee exach - mirror swords
Howling banshee x9
Wave serpent

405- fire prism x3 - shuriken cannons

1490

That's my idea for my list so far, I'm not to keen on taking a jet bike mounted seer council untill at least 1850.

I'm confused by the Autarch (who I guess you're only using to fill the HQ choice), giving him an Avenger when there are so many better options, especially as you've still got 10 points to spare! The bike comes with standard Cata's, so you're really only adding 6" threat to it. Is he joining one of the Windrider squads presumably?

Buckets of bikes, but skimping on the Shuri-Cannons, why? Drop the cannons from the Prisms (they'll be aiming at tanks anyway) and max cannons in Jetbike squads. This will allow you some extra range (otherwise your 'killzone' is only 12")

Howling Banshees are a bit limited, as they can't assault the turn they disembark, so they'll get shot to shreds in the turn they're faffing about. And without a Farseer for Doom they won't be all that impressive attacking T4, but YMMV.

Also, Scatter Lasers and Holo-fields are excellent on Wave Serpents!

I second quanar on basically everything.

Going with an autarch, drop the catapult since your on the bike, consider getting a laser lance and maybe a banshee mask.

Bikes need cannons in big squads, so drop down to 9 each squad, and put as many cannons as you can on each unit. Cannons are more important than the 10th bike, even for a saim hain feel.

Banshees are probably THE worst unit in the codex, and if you are dead set on fielding them you need an excutioner on the exarch. 2 squads is overkill, and better replaced with fire dragons, avengers, or even guardians. Wave serpents are amazing, particularly with scatter lasers and holo fields. 2 is more than enough.

Since prisms are best at using range to kite enemies, move the cannons to the bikes. Bikes get in close, prisms stay back and shoot...whatever needs to be shot.

 Dr. Serling wrote:
I second quanar on basically everything.

Going with an autarch, drop the catapult since your on the bike, consider getting a laser lance and maybe a banshee mask.

Bikes need cannons in big squads, so drop down to 9 each squad, and put as many cannons as you can on each unit. Cannons are more important than the 10th bike, even for a saim hain feel.

Banshees are probably THE worst unit in the codex, and if you are dead set on fielding them you need an excutioner on the exarch. 2 squads is overkill, and better replaced with fire dragons, avengers, or even guardians. Wave serpents are amazing, particularly with scatter lasers and holo fields. 2 is more than enough.

Since prisms are best at using range to kite enemies, move the cannons to the bikes. Bikes get in close, prisms stay back and shoot...whatever needs to be shot.

I also second this.

Autarch should have at least one better weapon. The Avenger catapult barely adds anything, why not give the laser lance/mantle build a go?

Bikes need cannons. The double the range and add 2 str to 9 of the shots in the unit (if you have 3 cannons).

But Banshees are NOT the WORST unit in the codex. Banshees have one thing going for them (well, really two): speed and their exarch. Running +3" per turn is fantastic, and thoroughly wasted when you get wave serpents. I would drop the Banshee wave serpents so that the banshees can assault earlier, and since you're running squads of ten, battling assault armies or taking on troop blobs shouldn't be a problem. On the exarch, and unless you plan on only using these ladies for assaulting troops, I would remove the mirrorswords and add the executioner. 10 points for S5 AP2? Umm.. yes? Throw in Disarming strike if you plan on challenging other models.

If you drop the wave serpents you have points for something else.

 McNinja wrote:

 Dr. Serling wrote:
I second quanar on basically everything.

Going with an autarch, drop the catapult since your on the bike, consider getting a laser lance and maybe a banshee mask.

Bikes need cannons in big squads, so drop down to 9 each squad, and put as many cannons as you can on each unit. Cannons are more important than the 10th bike, even for a saim hain feel.

Banshees are probably THE worst unit in the codex, and if you are dead set on fielding them you need an excutioner on the exarch. 2 squads is overkill, and better replaced with fire dragons, avengers, or even guardians. Wave serpents are amazing, particularly with scatter lasers and holo fields. 2 is more than enough.

Since prisms are best at using range to kite enemies, move the cannons to the bikes. Bikes get in close, prisms stay back and shoot...whatever needs to be shot.

I also second this.

Autarch should have at least one better weapon. The Avenger catapult barely adds anything, why not give the laser lance/mantle build a go?

Bikes need cannons. The double the range and add 2 str to 9 of the shots in the unit (if you have 3 cannons).

But Banshees are NOT the WORST unit in the codex. Banshees have one thing going for them (well, really two): speed and their exarch. Running +3" per turn is fantastic, and thoroughly wasted when you get wave serpents. I would drop the Banshee wave serpents so that the banshees can assault earlier, and since you're running squads of ten, battling assault armies or taking on troop blobs shouldn't be a problem. On the exarch, and unless you plan on only using these ladies for assaulting troops, I would remove the mirrorswords and add the executioner. 10 points for S5 AP2? Umm.. yes? Throw in Disarming strike if you plan on challenging other models.

If you drop the wave serpents you have points for something else.

errrmmm, no i would say banshees are the worst. 4+ armor, s3 ap 3...... sure they can run fast, but hey there gonna be targets top priority because there so easy to kill, one tactical squad shooting with just boltguns into them kills 5 guys outright. There are MANY better things to take in there place, as in scorpions (if your dead set on an assulting unit) or just a min squad (5 man) of dire avengers to go inside the serpent. The serpent NEEDS scatter lasers, and i strongly recommend holofeilds+ shuiken cannon. If yuo drop the banshees and replace them as dire avengers that should free up enough points to maybe take another min direvenger serpent. Serpents are basically the best tank in the codex, one of the top in the game.

Nice, thanks guys you've brought out points I haven't realy considered, I love the howling banshee's but I may have to drop them giving I'm looking to field a fully mounted saim hann list. I'm editing the list just now.


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85- Autarch - jet bike

122- jetbike squad x6- shuriken cannon x2
122- jetbike squad x6- shuriken cannon x2
122- jetbike squad x6- shuriken cannon x2

200- dire avengers x5
wave serpant- scatter lasers
- holo field
200- dire avengers x5
wave serpant- scatter lasers
- holo field

260- striking scorpion exarch- scorpion claw
striking scorpions x4
Wave serpant- scatter lasers
holo field

375- fire prism x3


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I've tried to include everyone's points and have a fast objective grabbing army with a lot of fire power. I'm still in two minds wether I should bolstered my jet bike squads with an extra 3 to allow me to get an extra shurikan cannon or wether I should spend those points bolstering my dire avengers and/or the striking scorpions? What do you think?

In a fast list why take any CC unit but Harlequins?

Harlequins are costly but the will murder whatever you charge.
Also it looks like you have no AA, you should drop the scorpions and their WS, and then buy a hunter, and with extra pts left over buy more bikes for cannons.

What if I change scatter lasers with bright lance?

I know this will sound a bit off but I love the eldar army but the harlequins offend me, I'm not keen on buying them at all I can't take my army seriously when I look at them.

 Stevo221 wrote:
What if I change scatter lasers with bright lance?

I know this will sound a bit off but I love the eldar army but the harlequins offend me, I'm not keen on buying them at all I can't take my army seriously when I look at them.

I understand that, but, you've got to admit, they certainly are effective. And the Death Jesters fit right in with the Dark Reavers.

Scatter lasers are AI weapons (with six shots per gun, how can they not be?) while the bright lance is a tank hunting/terminator killing gun. And, honestly, the fire prisms fill both role better. Just get two tanks to focus fire at one tank and you've got a S10 AP1 pieplate. Or, all three for a S7 AP3 large pieplate. That, and the scatter lasers are cheaper. Keep them.

I would drop the Striking Scorpion's Wave Serpent, and give the Exarch Shadowstrike (to infiltrate). Use those extra points to upgrade the Dire Avengers to a ten-man squad, perhaps with a Exarch with dual Avenger shruiken catapults and Bladestorm. You might even want to consider merging the two squads into one and use the points for giving your exarch some better gear- a laser lance and a banshee mask are good starting points.

And if you want to do Banshees, they are best footslogging.

BolterUnlimited wrote:
I understand that, but, you've got to admit, they certainly are effective. And the Death Jesters fit right in with the Dark Reavers.

Scatter lasers are AI weapons (with six shots per gun, how can they not be?) while the bright lance is a tank hunting/terminator killing gun. And, honestly, the fire prisms fill both role better. Just get two tanks to focus fire at one tank and you've got a S10 AP1 pieplate. Or, all three for a S7 AP3 large pieplate. That, and the scatter lasers are cheaper. Keep them.

I would drop the Striking Scorpion's Wave Serpent, and give the Exarch Shadowstrike (to infiltrate). Use those extra points to upgrade the Dire Avengers to a ten-man squad, perhaps with a Exarch with dual Avenger shruiken catapults and Bladestorm. You might even want to consider merging the two squads into one and use the points for giving your exarch some better gear- a laser lance and a banshee mask are good starting points.

And if you want to do Banshees, they are best footslogging.

I can't help but feel that you're still using the previous Eldar Codex
Prisms don't "Combine the streams" anymore, Scatters get 4 shots and are the same cost as BL's on a WS, Scorpions have Infiltrate standard (I still suggest dropping the Serpent Stevo), Bladestorm isn't a purchasable ability.

 Quanar wrote:

BolterUnlimited wrote:
I understand that, but, you've got to admit, they certainly are effective. And the Death Jesters fit right in with the Dark Reavers.

Scatter lasers are AI weapons (with six shots per gun, how can they not be?) while the bright lance is a tank hunting/terminator killing gun. And, honestly, the fire prisms fill both role better. Just get two tanks to focus fire at one tank and you've got a S10 AP1 pieplate. Or, all three for a S7 AP3 large pieplate. That, and the scatter lasers are cheaper. Keep them.

I would drop the Striking Scorpion's Wave Serpent, and give the Exarch Shadowstrike (to infiltrate). Use those extra points to upgrade the Dire Avengers to a ten-man squad, perhaps with a Exarch with dual Avenger shruiken catapults and Bladestorm. You might even want to consider merging the two squads into one and use the points for giving your exarch some better gear- a laser lance and a banshee mask are good starting points.

And if you want to do Banshees, they are best footslogging.

I can't help but feel that you're still using the previous Eldar Codex
Prisms don't "Combine the streams" anymore, Scatters get 4 shots and are the same cost as BL's on a WS, Scorpions have Infiltrate standard (I still suggest dropping the Serpent Stevo), Bladestorm isn't a purchasable ability.

Huh. I guess that I fail, then.

Time to go do an internet for new codexes.

The thing is Christmas is right around the coner so.. Santaquins will be seasonly appropriate.

Yeh I can't argue that harlequins are not effective but every time I look at them I think of clowns, think I may drop the striking scorpion serpent as it has the same problem as the howling banshee's, I'll need to play a few games out and see how effective the dire avenger serpents are.

Keep the scatter lasers on the serpent. they actually do more damage vs tanks combined with serpent shield than scatter lasers do. Dont take anything but scatters on the serpent.

Ninja is right (99% of the time) that SL are best on Ws only difference is if your playing vs space marine raider spam.