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D str orc ball on a stompa hits 3 story ruins w/ 2 units inside what happens now? It says the ruins turn to rubble what happens to the units inside? Do the fall, are they just placed in the rubble, or do they take the hit since they are in the ruins? We had no clue so we had them take dangerous terrain tests, but would the ones on the 2nd and 3rd story take impact tests? Would they even take dangerous terrain tests? Isn't kinda like destroying a vehicle?

Does the wording of the 'leap down' rule contain verbiage informing us to use these rules if the models are forced to leap?

Are you talking about true ruins or a true building?

Unless I missed it you can't target or further destroy ruins in normal 40k. Some formations and units in Apoc have special rules associated with such but I do not recall the stompa being one of them.

Ruins there is wrecking ball option on one the stompas that destroys buildings and ruins. Turns them to rubble.

From which book?

Imp. Armour Vol 8
Page 141

I thought the new rules to the stompa in the new Escalation book. I have it at home ill look it up later. And wouldn't the new stompa rules in escalation override the old rules from IA. Sorry if I'm wrong guys.

Kustom Stompa rules are still current (see the recent Forge World release, on which of their models can be used for Escalation) .
Most current and in use rules for the Kustom Stompa are in IA: Vol8

It's a str D wrecking ball that swings out from the stompa, creating a 2" wide beam of destruction. "Any terrain touched by the Krusha's arc is removed and replaced by rubble"

I'm pretty sure theres falling damage rules but can't be arsed looking through the book. I'd rule it as the models inside must fall to ground level

So I guess the units are just placed in rubble?

Escalation does not over ride anything to the best of my knowledge, it just allows the use of super heavies and gargantuan creatures in a standard 40k game. As for the question at hand, I'd say all units in the building suffer a STR D hit and all those surviving must take a pinning test similar to if their transport had been destroyed. They where occupying the building and it just fell on them, so logically they'd probably be hurt in some way and those who survive would have to dig themselves out.

SaintofDaemons wrote:
Escalation does not over ride anything to the best of my knowledge, it just allows the use of super heavies and gargantuan creatures in a standard 40k game. As for the question at hand, I'd say all units in the building suffer a STR D hit and all those surviving must take a pinning test similar to if their transport had been destroyed. They where occupying the building and it just fell on them, so logically they'd probably be hurt in some way and those who survive would have to dig themselves out.

a touch harsh to take a SD hit on every model within the ruin.......I don't recall the vehicle damage chart saying that the transported models take a SX where X=weapon that blew it up hit.

makes more sense to take impact hits based on location within the ruin at the time the wrecking ball was thrown at you.

as for placement afterwards that could get tricky, even more so as most ruins' floors are directly above one another and it would be easy for models to be directly underneath each other......would suggest coming up with a reasonable method for unit placement afterwards, you'd need to remain within the ruin so as not to have moved too far once it has been rubbleised and a pinning test probably wouldn't be out of the realms of likelihood. that being said this is defo a HIWPI as I can't see any rules in the core book to tell you how to work this out and cannot find an example online...

I was taking into consideration both the force of the weapon and the weight of the building falling on them. The only thing that seemed to accurately represent that damage was STR D.

Thou looking at the base rule book does have a "Building Damage Table" (page 94). The "Total Collapse" or "Detonation" results could work, but that is from normal anti tank weapons not a STR D Stompa attack. I honestly think this will come down to pre-agreed terms before the game starts

The Kustom Stompa is no longer a legal Lord of War, so I guess this isn't an issue any more. I guess if it came up in apoc I would just go with placing them all in the ruins, making it dangerous terrain and every model in the ball's path takes a D hit.

Well, how's about this:
1. Every non-vehicle model takes a wound on a D6 roll of 4+. Normal saves apply.
2. Unless locked in assault, all non-vehicle models are entangled. This is the same as being pinned, and applies even if the unit cannot normally be pinned or go to ground.
3. Vehicles take an automatic glancing hit.
4. Unread locked in assault, all vehicles suffer a stunned result (no HP lost).
5. Any assaults that were happening continue.


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Oh, forgot.
6. The ruin is replaced with a suitable piece of area terrain which provides a 4+ cover save due to clouds of smoke and debris.

I would allow it, but only if you sing the Miley Cyrus song while doing it.

thisisnotaseriousaccount wrote:
The Kustom Stompa is no longer a legal Lord of War, so I guess this isn't an issue any more. I guess if it came up in apoc I would just go with placing them all in the ruins, making it dangerous terrain and every model in the ball's path takes a D hit.

Not true.
The Kustom Stompa is a legal Lord of War.
See the recent Forge World release listing all current Lords of War, and what books they're in.

Edit: list is found here.

NM I think I know what happens. There is a mission with destroy-able terrian in it. It is mission 1. It says treat them as if they were in a destroyed transport.