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Did they actually get deleted from existence or are they just not yet stat'ed up? That's news to me regardless. I don't recall what the issue was with them in old blitz exactly but something was up with their rules (they were as good or better than grel from less points maybe? aka the chief playtester only plays paxton effect).
PILUM only showed up in the L&L Paxton Leaguebook, which was valid for what, a couple months? There's been no trace of them since. Given that there has been no attempt to show a render for them, given all the renders previewed to date for Paxton, I'd assume they're toast. I'd like to be proven wrong, but there's been little sign of the new strider either. Given the current state of DP9, I'll be happy if they push out the stuff that has been rendered.
I'm looking at putting together a WFPA, and I'm not sure what exactly goes in it. I know the whole older equipment thing, and I understand the current rules for making a WFPA list. What I'm interested in are the rough limits. I know Cheetahs, Jags, Kodiaks, and Grizzlies are SU only. But even then, how rare are they? What is an appropriate amount of the rare stuff to fit the fluff. If I make an army that has three support units, and in each one are 3 Jags for example, is that too much? Also basic formation stuff. What squad sizes do they prefer (4/5/6?) stuff like that. I recently picked up the League book, but I'm still working my way through it.
Heh, I didn't see this. Sorry ^^.
Well... it really depends on what fluff you're talking about, as Blitz has regressed more and more, design-wise, with the passing years.
Originally, canonically almost all of the old designs (like, 95%+) were out of active duty in all the polar countries, and the only places you could see relics like the Mad Dog would be museums, the Badlands or some backward local militia. It would be more or less like seeing an M60 Patton in active duty nowadays. The "active duty" Gears list for all polar factions would be way smaller.
Hell, even the current "modern" designs have been in active duties for decades, now (For example, the first production run of the Cheetah dates from back in TN 1888, and the Jaguar dates from before TN 1905).
Time passed, though, and people who saw the designs in the Vehicle Compendiums wanted them, so the Pod decided to retcon that a bit, or a lot. Fast forward to now, were we have armies with Gears from about three different centuries.
So, it's complicated, I guess is what I'm saying ^^. But if you simply stick to the contemporary designs, nobody should tell you anything.
As to the PILUM, well... I can't exactly say I mourn much their passing. The Strider was that one they designed for the... North, I think, that was then changed to Paxton?
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Well... it really depends on what fluff you're talking about, as Blitz has regressed more and more, design-wise, with the passing years.
Originally, canonically almost all of the old designs (like, 95%+) were out of active duty in all the polar countries, and the only places you could see relics like the Mad Dog would be museums, the Badlands or some backward local militia. It would be more or less like seeing an M60 Patton in active duty nowadays. The "active duty" Gears list for all polar factions would be way smaller.
Hell, even the current "modern" designs have been in active duties for decades, now (For example, the first production run of the Cheetah dates from back in TN 1888, and the Jaguar dates from before TN 1905).
Time passed, though, and people who saw the designs in the Vehicle Compendiums wanted them, so the Pod decided to retcon that a bit, or a lot. Fast forward to now, were we have armies with Gears from about three different centuries.
So, it's complicated, I guess is what I'm saying ^^. But if you simply stick to the contemporary designs, nobody should tell you anything.
So in theory I could have a cadre of hunters, a cadre of bears and hunters, and Su's with a cheetah and other RU, and a SU of Jag's and still be fairly inline with fluff?
Also, don't worry about missing it. Capt Caveman was forgotten before his time.
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Mmmpi wrote: So in theory I could have a cadre of hunters, a cadre of bears and hunters, and Su's with a cheetah and other RU, and a SU of Jag's and still be fairly inline with fluff?
Absolutely! if anything, the Bears would make the unit somewhat outdated, probably coming from a militia or garrison unit; the design has been being phased out since the 1870s, when Northco developed the Grizzly with Shaian, and the only reason it is currently in somewhat wide circulation is because of the WotA. Currently, it is "Pressed back into front-line service during the war, the Bear is now a mainstay of second-line and local militia units". It's also a very popular design in the Badlands, but if it hadn't been mostly retconned, even in the WFP it would have been at best a second-liner (OTOH, the Den Mother was kept in active duty much, much longer). There is a reason why the Bearhunter exists, after all.
So yeah, I'd say your roster would be completely and absolutely fluffy, IMHO.
Also, don't worry about missing it. Capt Caveman was forgotten before his time.
Seriously though, if you need anything don't hesitate to PM me if I don't show signs of life ^^. I love to talk shop, so...
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What would be a good thematic opponent for a WFPA unit?
Looking at the map they're across from the Mekong dominion, and right next to NuCoal. The SRA from what I understand, can operate from anywhere in the south, as can MILITIA forces. The CEF invaded that way once, but I'm not sure how their 2nd invasion went/is going so I don't know how Caprice and Utopia would be as enemies. Finally badlanders.
I don't really want to do a northern faction, as much of the equipment/models will be the same. In terms of rules, the badland lists are similar to the WFPA list and with the hodge-podge of equipment. MILITIA's hodge-podge is less of an issue because it's southern equipment.
Basically, I want something that I can use as a lender army, and something that fits as a good opponent in theme and style.
They are the military section of the SRID, and they act as the special operation division for the southern territories (legion sized). It is widely acknowledged as the elite among commando and special forces units on Terra Nova, and they think of themselves in even more praising terms. They are basically a whole army-sized special ops unit, with their own dedicated support brigades, their own black ops division (well, black-er ops), air cavalry, armor, infantry... you name it, they got it. Plus, they maintain a number of auxiliary regiments in the MILICIA.
Thanks for the answers everyone. This will give me some stuff to mull over.
Edit: Additional question: Does the Legion Noire use mostly conventional gears and tanks (assuming vet and elite version of course, lots of mamba, kings, and fleur's), or mostly Spec Ops gears?
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Mmmpi wrote: Does the Legion Noire use mostly conventional gears and tanks (assuming vet and elite version of course, lots of mamba, kings, and fleur's), or mostly Spec Ops gears?
Mmmpi wrote: Does the Legion Noire use mostly conventional gears and tanks (assuming vet and elite version of course, lots of mamba, kings, and fleur's), or mostly Spec Ops gears?
Yes.
The Legion uses whatever it wants or needs - including the MILICIA spec-ops, when they don't want to do actually dirty deeds themselves.
Mmmpi wrote: Thanks for the answers everyone. This will give me some stuff to mull over.
Edit:
Additional question: Does the Legion Noire use mostly conventional gears and tanks (assuming vet and elite version of course, lots of mamba, kings, and fleur's), or mostly Spec Ops gears?
Antalope (Sarge Christina "Comms" Diaz vechicle commander) --Smoke --Hunter Killer Defender Drone --a few smugglers in handcuffs
Antalope (Crp. Jaxton "Jaxton?" Jaxtonson VC) --Smoke --a few not quite so petty thieves, a rustler, and a guy who loved sheep a bit differently then most
SU (SK) Sniper Jaguar (Crp. Frieda "Bang" Diaz) --Vet --Precautions
Just a basic patrol, looking for trouble, and makin' some arrests. Hunter XMG is a stand in for a souped up hunter, Lt. Reha has been working on it in her spare time.
The patrol is moving between homesteads, small towns, and ranching stations on both sides of the border. They've snagged a few smugglers, and picked up a few local criminals to be brought in for judgement. But they're almost to the halfway point. A small township just "outside" the WFP that operates a small pirate radio station. Out of boredom the patrol has been listening to the civie broadcasts in shifts, as the rhymes are spit from the lips of the new group from the Emirates "Coup de Rhyme" through the radio. The last bit of transmission picks up static, despite the patrol getting closer. Is the weather acting up? Equipment problems at the station? Or something more sinister?
The Raiders
Spoiler:
Recon Cadre
Black Box Iguana (Major Vincent "Black Knife" Guer) --Vet --Electronic Warfare Specialist
Razorfang Black Mamba (Capt. Marrius "Singer" Slane --2iC --vet --precautions
Striking Iguana (Lt. Arunor "Squints" Parks) --vet
Hunting Iquana (Lt. Aurra "Don't" Tremaine) --Vet
SU (FS) Slashing Cobra (Armand "Nutcracker" Viscou) SU(SK) Brawler Black Mamba (Aurtoro "Sugar" Meshine)
Infantry Platoon
Jackrabbit (Lt. Merce "Rapier" Sevat) --CGL --LPZ
Jackrabbit (Srg. Gary "Shorty" Charbonhomme) --LPZ
The vets are the long time members, they fought along sides the WFPA against the CEF, but they're cold bastards, with the eye on the prize. The non-vet gears are "newbies" recently inducted into the Legion. This is their first trip this far north. "Don't" scares them. The Jackrabbits are a MILITIA company (Led by Lt. Sevat) who had the "luck" to be assigned to the raid. But it's getting rough. The locals on the way didn't like them all that much, most of them are from the Delta, they think (correctly) that Major Guer doesn't care if they live or die, and worst of all, the "special" rations have just about run out, so things are getting antsy.
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I like the background you've written for both of them, and the Lynx is a cool little Gear (I like to think that those will sell very well in the civilian market for racing). The only "problem" I might see is that I think they're sold in packs of 2, so you'd have an extra with that configuration, if money is a factor (or do they sell singles now?... Hm, dunno, so that would go the same for some other singles ^^).
I've wanted to try them out for awhile. I plan on adding light tanks, and the lynx might be a good escort for them (in a separate UA of course).
Last I looked, they're still in 2 packs.
My primary concern is that both forces are balanced against each other, I don't want a paper/rock/scissors where one force is the rock to the other's scissor. I think it's fine overall, but the WFPA is rather reliant on LPZ in this list. Also, I'm hoping the increased durability of Hunters and Lynx compared to Iquanas and Jackrabbits makes up for the much more powerful EW I gave the SRA force.
I'll have to defer that one to someone with better knowledge of the current rules than me in this case, as I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough of nuBlitz's rules, I'm afraid ^^
Mmmpi wrote: Turns out I'll have an extra antelope too. They're a 3 pack. But I get paid in a few days, so then it'll be an order in, North first I think.
I posted the lists on the DP9 forum, but if they were dead before, they're extra dead now.
I am utterly surprised to learn that.
Not.
Well, I seem to recall people here were playing nuBlitz, so maybe someone would have anything to add?
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Mmmpi wrote: About the antelope or the deadx2 forum?
Hehe. The forums. There have been no new releases in quite some time (at least that I know), and the Pod have been keen from time to time to chase out some of the biggest fans, so... yeah.
Yeah, John Pinz (sp?) was complaning about that awhile back. Apparently the POD has some stuff ready to start producing for PRDF, but it looks like they're holding it for the upcoming KS.
Unfortunately, I can't give any advice on nublitz complex tactics and army construction that is any more reliable than flipping a coin. About all I can do is look at two units and compare stats to see if one is broken or not.
As for holding model back, I don't know if it's a good idea now but it wasn't IMO a good idea for the past two years. What changed? Dave left and DP9 might be a one man operation in terms of full time employees. Before going through the time, money, and effort in casting moulding and running them as well as hiring someone to do it (or spending more time/money/effort in learning to do it himself), it's not a bad idea to see if it will be generate enough funds to make it worth it.
Also, with DP9 apparently moving to a crowdfunding only new release schedule (beyond a single chibi xmas mini assuming that won't stop with Dave's departure), the traditional resin minis that were rumored to have been made years ago might make or break the funding judging by how close the last one came. YMMV.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wait.. isn't the new kickstarter supposed to start today? Your post reminded me about it and I looked at my own above for the date. Did it start or get pushed back again?
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Ok, thanks. I took a look at KS and searched for Heavy Gear but no results. I thought campaigns usually started at noon but I think a while back they started letting creators choose iirc. Regardless, after the first delay, it won't be a good sign of things to come if Robert can't handle launching/running an already delayed campaign on time on his own let alone the real work of design/prodcution/shipping that comes later.
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, but it could also be an armor regiment with support elements, or one of the elite MILICIA forces, or one of the formations lent by the other southern armies, or Légion Noire auxiliaries).
