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If you could rewrite the rules for one named character in 40k, who would it be, and what would the rules be?

I'll start, choosing the Emperor's Champion:

Pts-125
WS-6
BS-4
S-4
T-4
W-2
I-5
A-2
Ld-10
Sv-2+

WARGEAR:
-Bolt Pistol
-Kraks and Frags
-Armour of Faith (artificer armour that grants 5+invun, which increases to 4+in close combat)
-Black Sword (AP2 master crafted power sword)

SPECIAL RULES:
-Chapter Tactics (BT)
-Fearless
-IC
-Slayer of Champions(EC must put forward and accept challenges whenever possible, and must choose one of the 4 stances per Assault phase)

>Hammer of Heretics (+2 Str, Black Sword counts as two handed)
>Parry (EC may not attack this turn but his invun increases to 2+ if he's in close combat)
>Bane of Heroes (EC makes a single attack that has the instant death special rule)
>Tempest of Steel (EC receives D3+1 attacks)

Kaldor Draigo

Titansword
-AP 2

Commander Shadowsun.
T4, you may take stealth suits at troop choices.

 Banzaimash wrote:
If you could rewrite the rules for one named character in 40k, who would it be, and what would the rules be?

I'll start, choosing the Emperor's Champion:

Pts-125
WS-6
BS-4
S-4
T-4
W-2
I-5
A-2
Ld-10
Sv-2+

WARGEAR:
-Bolt Pistol
-Kraks and Frags
-Armour of Faith (artificer armour that grants 5+invun, which increases to 4+in close combat)
-Black Sword (AP2 master crafted power sword)

SPECIAL RULES:
-Chapter Tactics (BT)
-Fearless
-IC
-Slayer of Champions(EC must put forward and accept challenges whenever possible, and must choose one of the 4 stances per Assault phase)

>Hammer of Heretics (+2 Str, Black Sword counts as two handed)
>Parry (EC may not attack this turn but his invun increases to 2+ if he's in close combat)
>Bane of Heroes (EC makes a single attack that has the instant death special rule)
>Tempest of Steel (EC receives D3+1 attacks)

I think the 2+ invulnerable is a bit too strong, even if he can't attack. You could theoretically use the ability to lock an enemy character in the challenge for the entire assault.

What would be more balanced, I think, would be enemies having to re-roll successful to-hits against him while he's parrying.

Castellian crowe champion- needs lots of changes like not giving away attacks, his stance fixed to hit characters, being an ic...
Inquisitors need the named characters in the codex. (just more).

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
If you could rewrite the rules for one named character in 40k, who would it be, and what would the rules be?

I'll start, choosing the Emperor's Champion:

Pts-125
WS-6
BS-4
S-4
T-4
W-2
I-5
A-2
Ld-10
Sv-2+

WARGEAR:
-Bolt Pistol
-Kraks and Frags
-Armour of Faith (artificer armour that grants 5+invun, which increases to 4+in close combat)
-Black Sword (AP2 master crafted power sword)

SPECIAL RULES:
-Chapter Tactics (BT)
-Fearless
-IC
-Slayer of Champions(EC must put forward and accept challenges whenever possible, and must choose one of the 4 stances per Assault phase)

>Hammer of Heretics (+2 Str, Black Sword counts as two handed)
>Parry (EC may not attack this turn but his invun increases to 2+ if he's in close combat)
>Bane of Heroes (EC makes a single attack that has the instant death special rule)
>Tempest of Steel (EC receives D3+1 attacks)

I think the 2+ invulnerable is a bit too strong, even if he can't attack. You could theoretically use the ability to lock an enemy character in the challenge for the entire assault.

What would be more balanced, I think, would be enemies having to re-roll successful to-hits against him while he's parrying.

Good point. People might use him to tarpit enemy heroes, which would be most dishonourable .

Helbrecht:

Same statline as currently.

SotHM becomes AP2, works when charged as well as when charging.

Hatred/Fleet no longer a one-shot.

Warpsmiths: I know, not named, sorry, but I have to.

-10 points, access to more options, and his "shatter defenses" rules can affect fortifications. Voila!

Typhus

WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 6******
W 4
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/5++
FnP 4+*****

Zombie Cultists : Zombie cultists are by all rights considered followers of Nurgle for spells and effects that should not harm Nurgle Models.

I love running Typhus, but by god... why the bloody hell is he only T5?... He gets into combat with 1 enemy capable of hitting at str 10 or a simple MC-C and the blobs of cultists he's with mean nothing since he gets smashed and forced into a challenge... v_v At least with T6 he wouldnt get instantly killed by Active weapons like DA smite mode as well... I am still urked there are weapons specifically designed in game to counter CSM and Daemons alike, yet both of those races have no general hatred towards, oh I don't know... EVERYTHING ALIVE IN THE UNIVERSE >.>

I need another drink v_v" lol

GoliothOnline wrote:
Typhus

WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 6******
W 4
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/5++
FnP 4+*****

Zombie Cultists : Zombie cultists are by all rights considered followers of Nurgle for spells and effects that should not harm Nurgle Models.

I love running Typhus, but by god... why the bloody hell is he only T5?... He gets into combat with 1 enemy capable of hitting at str 10 or a simple MC-C and the blobs of cultists he's with mean nothing since he gets smashed and forced into a challenge... v_v At least with T6 he wouldnt get instantly killed by Active weapons like DA smite mode as well... I am still urked there are weapons specifically designed in game to counter CSM and Daemons alike, yet both of those races have no general hatred towards, oh I don't know... EVERYTHING ALIVE IN THE UNIVERSE >.>

I need another drink v_v" lol

If only CSM had some sort of special rule to help them fight their most hated foe, Space Marines. Since CSM prefer to fight loyalists, some sort of rule representing that would be in order. If only...

Also, WS7? He's not Khârn.

Marbo
+15 points
has all the same rules except this;
Was that him? Marbo gets to add +2 to his cover save on the turn he arrives.

Björn:

I +1
Change from Walker to MC with T 6 or 7

Pedro Kantor:
Instead of making Sternguard Veterans as scoring, I'd kill to see a rule changed for him to count them as Troops.
Come on, that's almost what's left of Crimson Fists; a handful of Veterans.

DA interrogator chaplains. (( again sorry not a named character))

ANYTHING- they just aren't different enough from the regular chaplains...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
Typhus

WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 6******
W 4
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/5++
FnP 4+*****

Zombie Cultists : Zombie cultists are by all rights considered followers of Nurgle for spells and effects that should not harm Nurgle Models.

I love running Typhus, but by god... why the bloody hell is he only T5?... He gets into combat with 1 enemy capable of hitting at str 10 or a simple MC-C and the blobs of cultists he's with mean nothing since he gets smashed and forced into a challenge... v_v At least with T6 he wouldnt get instantly killed by Active weapons like DA smite mode as well... I am still urked there are weapons specifically designed in game to counter CSM and Daemons alike, yet both of those races have no general hatred towards, oh I don't know... EVERYTHING ALIVE IN THE UNIVERSE >.>

I need another drink v_v" lol

If only CSM had some sort of special rule to help them fight their most hated foe, Space Marines. Since CSM prefer to fight loyalists, some sort of rule representing that would be in order. If only...

Also, WS7? He's not Khârn.

Because he was the Captain of the Death Guard first company 10000 years before 'now' in 40K and thus is more skilled than your average captain?

Draigo needs his sword to be AP2.

Lucius needs a 4++

Fabius needs... Pfff... I don't know, you might as well remove him.

I'd say Cypher and then list some stuff I'd like to see for him, but then I'd be doing the same as GW; making gakky rules that I spent less than five minutes on thinking up with no play-testing or thorough consideration on how they would actually work in the game.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
Typhus

WS 7
BS 5
S 4
T 6******
W 4
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/5++
FnP 4+*****

Zombie Cultists : Zombie cultists are by all rights considered followers of Nurgle for spells and effects that should not harm Nurgle Models.

I love running Typhus, but by god... why the bloody hell is he only T5?... He gets into combat with 1 enemy capable of hitting at str 10 or a simple MC-C and the blobs of cultists he's with mean nothing since he gets smashed and forced into a challenge... v_v At least with T6 he wouldnt get instantly killed by Active weapons like DA smite mode as well... I am still urked there are weapons specifically designed in game to counter CSM and Daemons alike, yet both of those races have no general hatred towards, oh I don't know... EVERYTHING ALIVE IN THE UNIVERSE >.>

I need another drink v_v" lol

If only CSM had some sort of special rule to help them fight their most hated foe, Space Marines. Since CSM prefer to fight loyalists, some sort of rule representing that would be in order. If only...

Also, WS7? He's not Khârn.

Because he was the Captain of the Death Guard first company 10000 years before 'now' in 40K and thus is more skilled than your average captain?

Draigo needs his sword to be AP2.

Lucius needs a 4++

Fabius needs... Pfff... I don't know, you might as well remove him.

At least one person knows the frustration I face with this game and its complete disregard for lore, being a lore based game and all... lol

Typhus and every other named HQ in CSM dex SHOULD be better than they are... and I completely agree that Lucious needs a better invuln... I would go as far as to say he deserves a 3++ in melee.... He is completely useless otherwise....

Loyalists, have better gear, and a mechanicum that apparently functions with warp spirits better than the bloody people who apparently bend the warp to their needs.... How on earth does that work....

Loyalists also have Daemon Weapons with no apparent downside....

AND... Smite mode works just as good on random non CSM targets, as it would ON CSM target. So why the bloody hell should CSM players suffer through that debauchery? I guess that just means more Heldrake spam. DIE SCUM!! lol

Eversors. The 3rd ed assassins codex that i got free with white dwarf was way better than their crappy rules from the gk codex. I'd simply change them back.

GoliothOnline wrote:

Loyalists also have Daemon Weapons with no apparent downside....

Hate to tell you, but the Burning Blade doesn't give you D6 additional attacks. That's a big part about what makes Daemon Weapons amazing. Plus, you can burn yourself on the blade, so it's not completely without downsides, even if it's hard to fail.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

Loyalists also have Daemon Weapons with no apparent downside....

Hate to tell you, but the Burning Blade doesn't give you D6 additional attacks. That's a big part about what makes Daemon Weapons amazing. Plus, you can burn yourself on the blade, so it's not completely without downsides, even if it's hard to fail.

Go read Codex Inquisition.

Tell me their Daemon Weapons have a downside...

Or you know, Grey Knights....

GoliothOnline wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:

Loyalists also have Daemon Weapons with no apparent downside....

Hate to tell you, but the Burning Blade doesn't give you D6 additional attacks. That's a big part about what makes Daemon Weapons amazing. Plus, you can burn yourself on the blade, so it's not completely without downsides, even if it's hard to fail.

Go read Codex Inquisition.

Tell me their Daemon Weapons have a downside...

Or you know, Grey Knights....

AP3 and random abilities? Seriously, are you arguing that the Daemon Weapons in C:GK are unfair?

You get a random buff from them outright with no consequence what so ever... They give you something that isn't you randomly stabbing yourself in the crotch and gutting your melee potential on a character that can cost upwards of 300 points....

Yeah, I have a problem with GKs, Mostly because when I played with them, they were bloody mind numbingly simply to play.... That's why I switched to Chaos... And now more than ever, you cannot justify saying that being forced into a challenge, from a Codex that was about as well thought out and put together as a noodle pasta scrap paper plate project can ever be considered good simply because you gain Attacks. That 1 roll of a 1 will most likely cost you a game from my experience when you throw your most expensive model on the board, born for CC, literally no other use, only to roll a 1 and becomes a living punching bag for things like CONSCRIPTS.

Honestly, I'd be happy if Typhus wasn't locked into Lord of Terror. Ugh.

They should have had an option to roll for the Dex specific, take the one "Best suited" within their description, or from the BRB.

Something about a Chaos Lord causing fear to a fearless army is rather hilarious to see... Or depressing... I'm leaning more on a Harlequins joke.

Azrael.....add eternal warrior. Everything else identical.

Azrael, Sword of Secrets - AP2.

Ezekiel, Traitor's Bane, one handed weapon.

Asmodai, Blades of Reason, - AP3 non-specialist weapon.

Belial, Sword of Silence - AP2

Sammael, Raven Sword, S5

Company/Ravenwing Champion, Blade of Caliban, not unwieldy.

GoliothOnline wrote:
You get a random buff from them outright with no consequence what so ever... They give you something that isn't you randomly stabbing yourself in the crotch and gutting your melee potential on a character that can cost upwards of 300 points....

Yeah, those T3 AP3 S3 Inquisitors get all the good melee toys, man!

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
Azrael, Sword of Secrets - AP2.

Ezekiel, Traitor's Bane, one handed weapon.

Asmodai, Blades of Reason, - AP3 non-specialist weapon.

Belial, Sword of Silence - AP2

Sammael, Raven Sword, S5

Company/Ravenwing Champion, Blade of Caliban, not unwieldy.

There has to be some kind of drawback to have an ap3 +1str sword for 5pts. If not it would be silly awesome.

Sammael doesn't need to be str 5 just having shread would be nice. And Ezekiel needs some kind of invul save.

all Phoenix lords, asurmen gets 3++ all others get 4++ all make their aspect troops! Jain zar has grenades! Maugan ra gun is ap 3/2, karandras can assault out of infiltrate,all have ws,int,bs 8, all have preferred a enemy against a diff army eg fuegan against daemons, Maugan against tyranids etc
I think that would fix them


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoliothOnline wrote:
You get a random buff from them outright with no consequence what so ever... They give you something that isn't you randomly stabbing yourself in the crotch and gutting your melee potential on a character that can cost upwards of 300 points....

Yeah, those T3 AP3 S3 Inquisitors get all the good melee toys, man!

Tell me about it, I'm still annoyed they should get a nerf
Sarcasm

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
all Phoenix lords, asurmen gets 3++ all others get 4++ all make their aspect troops! Jain zar has grenades! Maugan ra gun is ap 3/2, karandras can assault out of infiltrate,all have ws,int,bs 8, all have preferred a enemy against a diff army eg fuegan against daemons, Maugan against tyranids etc
I think that would fix them

I agree that a lot of the Eldar HQs could use a bit of love in terms of Troop conversions. But, they would have to lose out on a few things... EW on just about every named HQ is kinda crazy... Especially considering things like Soulrazer can randomly determine a game result =/ All it takes is 1 bad roll and you could go from securing a victory, to enduring a loss.