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Okay so I was thinking, what's with these lazy chaos Primarchs?

Lorgar is off "meditating" like some sort of granola eating hippy in his Temple/Palace

Magnus is chilling reading a book on the planet of Sorcerers, occasionally plotting on how to kill the Space wolves. Comon man get in the game!

Perturabo is playing Risk in a giant castle on Medengard (side question didn't he think the whole "chaos" gods thing was some bs, but took princehood anyway? what a crock).

Fulgrim is tentacle raping some little Japanese girls somewhere.

Omegaon....wtf..where is he anyway?

Mortarian is giving people the flu

Seems the only Primarch to take a active role in actually destroying the IoM is Angron. What Primarch do you guys forsee as the next Chaos Primarch to become actively involved in a black crusade?

For whatever reason, the Chaos Primarchs (Sans Magnus and Angron, to an extent) just haven't received much coverage from 40K authors.

Magnus and Angron have left the Warp a few times to feth gak up in the Materium, Magnus having the most intrusions, but Angron's typically being larger in scale.

Fulgrim left once. He killed probably the most important Primarch in the Imperium in single combat.

Mortarion and Perturabo have also left once, Perturabo corrupting a forge world and Mortarion creating a horde of Nurgle-plagued orks to feth gak up.

Lorgar and Omegon have done nothing we know of.

The 6e Chaos Marine codex hints that we might hear of them more in the future.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
For whatever reason, the Chaos Primarchs (Sans Magnus and Angron, to an extent) just haven't received much coverage from 40K authors.

I agree, it would make for some awesome novels, even if it doesn't "advance" the story line, to get some more depth on the post-terran invasion chaos primarchs would be fun.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:
Magnus and Angron have left the Warp a few times to feth gak up in the Materium, Magnus having the most intrusions, but Angron's typically being larger than scale.

Fulgrim left once. He killed probably the most important Primarch in the Imperium in single combat.

Mortarion and Perturabo have also left once, Perturabo corrupting a forge world and Mortarion creating a horde of Nurgle-plagued orks to feth gak up.

Lorgar and Omegon have done nothing we know of.

The 6e Chaos Marine codex hints that we might hear of them more in the future.

Indeed, I have that codex, it definitely seems like some more lore is in the future. Personally I'd like to see Lorgar get off his ass and start doing stuff.

Angron and fifty thousand Khorne Berzerkers left the warp on a two hundred year murder spree called the Dominion of Fire.

The idea of Aaron Dembski-Bowden penning a 40k novel about Lorgar's next crusade makes me want to spend money.

 Supertony51 wrote:
Okay so I was thinking, what's with these lazy chaos Primarchs?

Lorgar is off "meditating" like some sort of granola eating hippy in his Temple/Palace

Magnus is chilling reading a book on the planet of Sorcerers, occasionally plotting on how to kill the Space wolves. Comon man get in the game!

Perturabo is playing Risk in a giant castle on Medengard (side question didn't he think the whole "chaos" gods thing was some bs, but took princehood anyway? what a crock).

Fulgrim is tentacle raping some little Japanese girls somewhere.

Omegaon....wtf..where is he anyway?

Mortarian is giving people the flu

Seems the only Primarch to take a active role in actually destroying the IoM is Angron. What Primarch do you guys forsee as the next Chaos Primarch to become actively involved in a black crusade?

They don't care. Either they're wrapped up in the great game, simply playing War Tycoon like Perturabo, or are moping about like Magnus and depressed at how Chaos now completely dominates them. Daemonhood isn't all that it's cracked up to be. Sure, you're immortal, but now you've won. You got the reward and now you have no reason to even care about mortal affairs. Angron probably only cares about fighting in the Long War due to the GEOM getting all of his comrades killed and him simply having a deathwish. Otherwise for all the other Daemon Primarchs- they've hit max level. When you've beaten the game, do you keep it? Sure, you take it for a spin occasionally for the sake of nostalgia, but what really is there to interest a Daemon Prince in the materium? While I could see why they might peek out from their new homes to screw around in the materium, I don't see why they'd return permanently unless they have a serious vendetta like Angron or broken like Magnus.
(I haven't gotten to the 1K Sons yet in the Horus Heresy, but isn't Magnus now some ultra depressed Daemon Prince who realized he's a pawn and now just doesn't do much besides mope?)

He did sort of attack the Fang in Battle of the Fang.

He was moping while attacking, and kept forgetting who he was. While in the grand scheme of things, his main objective was worth sacrificing a good chunk of the remaining Thousand Sons Legion, his personal motivation was pure spite.

Lorgar is not meditating, he is constantly writing new volumes for his Book.

I am not a fan of the idle "traitor" primarch idea at ALL. I truly wish each legion had half the stories the Ultramarines had, then we would be far more rich in lore.

TO TOPIC

I believe if anything that "Omegon" or Alpharius/Omegon are the most active, one or the other of the Primarchs that are noted to be Chaos. (the reason this does not work, is more than half of the Warhammer community believes or knows that the Alpha Legion is basically running both sides of the wall for purposes those who read this may know of.

Lorgar: My opinion is less likely to come out and do some damage then Erebus by far.

Mortarion: Would make a GREAT novel or two in returning for some serious Imperial damage but he is not as popular as I would like.

Angron: Used very often, so it is likely he will pop up again. (He is after all the most Bolter porn friendly Primarch) despite Ben Counters tries for bolterus maximatus pornigraficus novels for the Imperial Fists and the Soul Drinkers.

Fulgrim: I do believe GM and BL now do fully realize how much time they have fully spent on Fulgrim.

Pertuarbo: I hope so, mostly because he has as much support as Corax and Vulkan had when the first three Horus Heresy books came out. Less actually, the slaughter of the loyalists has been more publicized then the combined story of

Night Haunter: It would be amazing, it is more then heavily hinted that Night Haunter is dead and gone. Many sources say he is a daemon prince which means...he can't be forever dead and gone.(Unless of course his mind body and soul had been destroyed by the emperor like Horus or something, I missed that if it's real.)

Your answers are

Magnus the Red, he is very popular and will hunt the sons of Russ for all eternity and will be the subject of many stories to come.

Second answer ANGRON. Guess what people, it's not changing much. It's going to be Ultramarine, Imperial Guard and Horus Heresy novels. If there is a suprise it will come from ADB, Graham or Swallow. Since Abnett has his own universe he likes to relish in and will now be gracing us with a couple books a year at best.

I am sure I won't be loved for this post, but I buy every publication they have, I can whine like the little girl I am forever if I please.

Mortarion has been out and about at least twice that we know of. Once with his Green Death plague Orks, and the other when Draigo spanked him at Kornovin.

 Omegus wrote:
He was moping while attacking, and kept forgetting who he was. While in the grand scheme of things, his main objective was worth sacrificing a good chunk of the remaining Thousand Sons Legion, his personal motivation was pure spite.

Lorgar is not meditating, he is constantly writing new volumes for his Book.

I wasn't considering the bad writing aspect as part of my post.

PoisonWood wrote:
I am not a fan of the idle "traitor" primarch idea at ALL. I truly wish each legion had half the stories the Ultramarines had, then we would be far more rich in lore.

TO TOPIC

I believe if anything that "Omegon" or Alpharius/Omegon are the most active, one or the other of the Primarchs that are noted to be Chaos. (the reason this does not work, is more than half of the Warhammer community believes or knows that the Alpha Legion is basically running both sides of the wall for purposes those who read this may know of.

Lorgar: My opinion is less likely to come out and do some damage then Erebus by far.

Mortarion: Would make a GREAT novel or two in returning for some serious Imperial damage but he is not as popular as I would like.

Angron: Used very often, so it is likely he will pop up again. (He is after all the most Bolter porn friendly Primarch) despite Ben Counters tries for bolterus maximatus pornigraficus novels for the Imperial Fists and the Soul Drinkers.

Fulgrim: I do believe GM and BL now do fully realize how much time they have fully spent on Fulgrim.

Pertuarbo: I hope so, mostly because he has as much support as Corax and Vulkan had when the first three Horus Heresy books came out. Less actually, the slaughter of the loyalists has been more publicized then the combined story of

Night Haunter: It would be amazing, it is more then heavily hinted that Night Haunter is dead and gone. Many sources say he is a daemon prince which means...he can't be forever dead and gone.(Unless of course his mind body and soul had been destroyed by the emperor like Horus or something, I missed that if it's real.)

Your answers are

Magnus the Red, he is very popular and will hunt the sons of Russ for all eternity and will be the subject of many stories to come.

Second answer ANGRON. Guess what people, it's not changing much. It's going to be Ultramarine, Imperial Guard and Horus Heresy novels. If there is a suprise it will come from ADB, Graham or Swallow. Since Abnett has his own universe he likes to relish in and will now be gracing us with a couple books a year at best.

I am sure I won't be loved for this post, but I buy every publication they have, I can whine like the little girl I am forever if I please.

Hinted? We have statements and transmitted visual proof of an assassin beheading the Night Haunter and the Night Lords confirming he's dead. Curze is just as dead as Manus, who is also missing a head and certainly KIA with nothing that either he or Curze is still alive.

I do not mean it that way. It is also stated in almost all ideas that Night Haunter was a daemon prince. Meaning he is just dead temporarily right? If you become a daemon prince there is a finite amount of real space time. I believe it thousands of years and then they can return. It's not hinted, it is fact that he dies JUST LIKE YOU SAID. But is he not listed as a daemon prince? Listed, not as in the fiction but categorized as that?

PoisonWood wrote:
It is also stated in almost all ideas that Night Haunter was a daemon prince.

It's really not though. The Night Haunter has never been said to be a daemon as far as I'm aware.

It does indeed look like/AM wrong. I thought he was a Daemon Prince of Chaos undivided. Well thanks for proving me wrong, but also for helping me like my favorite Primarch even more.

It's too bad i'm so painfully wrong I can't fight back

PoisonWood wrote:
I do not mean it that way. It is also stated in almost all ideas that Night Haunter was a daemon prince. Meaning he is just dead temporarily right? If you become a daemon prince there is a finite amount of real space time. I believe it thousands of years and then they can return. It's not hinted, it is fact that he dies JUST LIKE YOU SAID. But is he not listed as a daemon prince? Listed, not as in the fiction but categorized as that?

Er, no. There's nothing suggesting such- the Night Haunter was an alternate, violent (to say the least) personality of Curze that arguably was more cruel and violent than Angron himself. The Night Lords do have a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided that leads the largest warband and thus is their defacto leader of the 'Legion' now, but he's confirmed to not be Curze.

Why should they waste their time with mortal affairs when they have entire daemon worlds for themselves?

I wouldn't be surprised if Erebus kicked Lorgar into the Templum Inficio and locked the door behind him.


He is really that sort of person.

 Wyzilla wrote:

PoisonWood wrote:
I do not mean it that way. It is also stated in almost all ideas that Night Haunter was a daemon prince. Meaning he is just dead temporarily right? If you become a daemon prince there is a finite amount of real space time. I believe it thousands of years and then they can return. It's not hinted, it is fact that he dies JUST LIKE YOU SAID. But is he not listed as a daemon prince? Listed, not as in the fiction but categorized as that?

Er, no. There's nothing suggesting such- the Night Haunter was an alternate, violent (to say the least) personality of Curze that arguably was more cruel and violent than Angron himself. The Night Lords do have a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided that leads the largest warband and thus is their defacto leader of the 'Legion' now, but he's confirmed to not be Curze.

Already admitted I was wrong. I am now reminded.

What do you mean Oregon is doing nothing? He's been running the ultra marines chapter for centuries! The reason calgaris so good in the fluff is because he's a primarch in disguise

PoisonWood wrote:
Night Haunter: It would be amazing, it is more then heavily hinted that Night Haunter is dead and gone. Many sources say he is a daemon prince which means...he can't be forever dead and gone.(Unless of course his mind body and soul had been destroyed by the emperor like Horus or something, I missed that if it's real.)

Zero sources say he is a daemon prince. He's just a psychopath who hates himself for being a psychopath. It's like Dexter Morgan without the charisma or self-control.

Abnett has his own universe he likes to relish in and will now be gracing us with a couple books a year at best.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, most overrated BL author of them all. Even his 40K books belong more in "his own universe".

Not all of Abnett's work is bad.

He is extraordinarily overrated though.

PoisonWood wrote:

Lorgar: My opinion is less likely to come out and do some damage then Erebus by far.

True. Erebus has never really taken his hand off of the game (though his niche as a "corruptor" is not so necessary these days). The Dark Creed trilogy features Erebus a bit, and he's partly mixed up in the usual internal Legion politics nonsense but also perfectly willing to put together Chaos invasions. In many ways, Erebus already has what he wanted though; his gods got a galaxy of endless war to feed off of, and Erebus can sit happily in the Eye building temples and studying the nature of Chaos.

I forget where it is, but there is some fluff somewhere about Erebus hatching a plan to try and coax Lorgar out of his temple though. So the idea is certainly being toyed with...

Waiting for Abbadon to die.
successor primarch is successor...

Either that or still busy playing civ 5

 Lagfest wrote:
Waiting for Abbadon to die.
successor primarch is successor...

Either that or still busy playing civ 5

Just one more turn!

They're sulking because being a daemon prince sucks. They're immortal but have a host of new weaknesses, and instead of being one among twenty they're now one among countless.

Ceann Fine wrote:
What do you mean Oregon is doing nothing? He's been running the ultra marines chapter for centuries! The reason calgaris so good in the fluff is because he's a primarch in disguise

Explains so much...

Lorgar has been in seclusion pretty much since the Heresy. Kor Phaeron and Erebus run the Legion now, constantly trying to one up the other, undermiming each other's control, all under the guise of a unified Legion. It would not surprise me if Lorgar's "new books" are actually just Kor and Erebus's writings with Lorgar's name simply put on it to give legitimacy. From the picture painted in the HH novels I'd say Lorgar is lamenting how he sold his Legion to a lost cause and doomed humanity dispite his misguided attempts to save it, that's all speculation though.

I don't think there is any definitive evidence that either of the Alpha Legion Primarchs is a daemon prince. The legion has fractured apart into tons of tiny little cells, with the imperium declaring them destroyed at least 3 times. We have no real idea of what they've been doing, some warbands like the one belonging to Voldorius (god I hate that novel) have gone over totally to chaos, but it's possible that some are merely non-chaos traitor forces or even that some could be helping the loyalists. I got the impression from Deliverance lost that there was some brewing difference of opinion of their goals between Omegon and Alpharius.

I've had a theory that at least one of the inactive traitor Primarchs who are referenced as daemon princes in older fluff, dies during the Heresy or during the Scouring and that Primarchs inner circle covers it up/keeps it a secret to maintain Legion unity and cohesion.

Although thats just wishful thinking on my part, as I think its bogus that only the loyalist Primarchs die fighting or go AWOL. Alpharius (allegedly) Night Haunter and of course Horus are the only traitors to eat it, whereas loyalists start dying right from the get go.