Codex: Iron Hands 2k Roster

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**Anpu42**

Here is a 2,000 point list I have been toying with the new Codex: Space Marines. This is using Chapter Tactics: Iron Hands as a base.

Imperial Tigers 2k List:

Chapter Master, 190 pts (Artificer Armour; Lightning Claw x1; Combi-Plasmagun x1; Auspex; Digital Weapons; Warlord)
Command Squad, 240 pts (Bolt Pistol x4; Plasma gun x4, Standard of the Emperor Ascendant)
1x Apothecary (Bolt Pistol; Chainsword)

Librarian, 105 pts (Power Armour; Psychic Hood; Bolt Pistol; Force Sword; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); Auspex; Digital Weapons; 6E Psychic Disciplines)
Sternguard Veteran Squad, 363 pts (Bolt Pistol x8; Combi-Plasmagun x6; Plasma gun x2)
1x Veteran Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

1st Tactical Squad, 180 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)

2nd Tactical Squad, 180 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)

3rd Tactical Squad, 180 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)

Scout Squad, 167 pts (Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle x8; Heavy Bolter; Hellfire Shells (for Heavy Bolter))
1x Sergeant (Scout Armour; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle; Grav-pistol)

Centurion Devastator Squad, 290 pts (Missile Launcher x2; Twin-Linked Lascannon x2)
1x Centurion Sergeant (Missile Launcher; Twin-Linked Lascannon; Omniscope)

Stalker, 105 pts (Icarus Stormcannon Array; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armour; Hunter-killer Missile; Storm Bolter)

I have had to makes some major changes from how I normally write up a list. This is supposes to be a Gunline List, but I have added some units I want to try, mostly the Centurions and the Stalker.

Tactics is basically set up in a Gunline anchored on the Chapter Master and his Command Squad. The Librarian and the Sternguard I would use as an Assassination Force to either take out HQ’s or Vehicles.

A local META Note: We do not have a lot of Vehicles.

So let me know what you think.

**Anpu42**

So nothing...
This will be my only attempt to get something going with this one before posting another list later

**The Shrike**

Even for a friendly list, this needs some serious work.

You're Iron Hands! Where are your vehicles?! Tac squads need Rhinos. Also, your Chapter Master has none of the good gear that makes them beasts in CC. Get a Shield Eternal and a Thunder Hammer; or better yet, use the Clan Raukan supplement and get AA, Gorgon's Chain, Storm Shield and TH.

Now, even if your meta doesn't have a lot of vehicles, surely they would understand that IRON HANDS use plenty of them. Of course, if you want to adhere to this, at least make the Centurions Grav Centurions. It's almost painful looking at them without these weapons.

**Punisher Gatling Cannon**

From what I see I would take the grav pistol off the scout Sgt. It's a waste of points with how the squad is set up for long range. It's also my personal believe that you have spent way to many points on the stalker tank. I would just keep it bare bones and cheap, I don't know what to spend these extra points on.

**Anpu42**

Ok here is a rebuild going against how I normally play, but let’s push my boundaries. I did decide to replace my Chapter Master with a Master of the Forge, this is a work in progress.

Master of the Forge, 130 pts (Artificer Armour; Conversion Beamer; Lightning Claw; Auspex; Warlord)
Librarian, 95 pts (Bolt Pistol; Force Sword; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); Auspex; 6E Psychic Disciplines)
Command Squad, 190 pts (Bolt Pistol x4; Company Standard; Plasma gun x4)
1x Apothecary

Sternguard Veteran Squad, 360 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Combi-Plasmagun x7; Plasma gun x2)
1x Veteran Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Lightning Claw; Combi-Plasmagun)

1st Tactical Squad, 245 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armour; Hunter-killer Missile; 2x Storm Bolter)

2nd Tactical Squad, 245 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armour; Hunter-killer Missile; 2x Storm Bolter)

3rd Tactical Squad, 245 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armour; Hunter-killer Missile; 2x Storm Bolter)

Scout Squad, 152 pts (Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle x8; Heavy Bolter; Hellfire Shells (for Heavy Bolter))
1x Sergeant (Infantry (Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle)

Centurion Devastator Squad, 260 pts (Grav-amp; Hurricane Bolter x2; Grav-cannon x2)
1x Centurion Sergeant (Grav-amp; Hurricane Bolter; Grav-cannon; Omniscope)

Stalker, 75 pts (Icarus Stormcannon Array; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers)

**The Shrike**

Do the Sternguard and Honor Guards have Rhinos or Drop Pods I can't see? If not, they need them.

Also, why are you bringing a MotF if you don't want to spam Drop Pods?

**Anpu42**

The Shrike wrote:
Do the Sternguard and Honor Guards have Rhinos or Drop Pods I can't see? If not, they need them.

This was not suposed to be a mechanised force, I need somthing to hold my objectives. I have found a Command Squad with 4 Plasma Guns in ruins can control a good partion of the board.

Also, why are you bringing a MotF if you don't want to spam Drop Pods?

I could do a drop pod list.

Master of the Forge, 130 pts (Conversion Beamer; Lightning Claw, Auspex; Warlord)
Librarian, 105 pts (Power Armour; Psychic Hood; Bolt Pistol; Force Sword; Auspex; Digital Weapons; 6E Psychic Disciplines)
Command Squad, 250 pts (Bolt Pistol x4; Company Standard; Plasma gun x4)
1x Apothecary
1x Drop Pod (Locator Beacon; Deathwind Missile Launcher)

Sternguard Veteran Squad, 383 pts (Bolt Pistol x8; Combi-Plasmagun x6; Plasma gun x2)
1x Veteran Sergeant (Lightning Claw; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Drop Pod (Locator Beacon; Deathwind Missile Launcher)

1st Tactical Squad, 215 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

2nd Tactical Squad, 215 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

3rd Tactical Squad, 215 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

Scout Squad, 152 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle x8; Heavy Bolter; Hellfire Shells (for Heavy Bolter))
1x Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle)

Centurion Devastator Squad, 260 pts (Grav-amp x2; Hurricane Bolter x2; Grav-cannon x2)
1x Centurion Sergeant (Grav-amp; Hurricane Bolter; Grav-cannon; Omniscope)

Stalker, 75 pts (Icarus Stormcannon Array; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers)

**The Shrike**

Sorry, I brainfarted. I meant to say, "Why bring an MotF if you don't want to spam Dreadnoughts in Drop Pods"

Big difference. Also, how exactly have you "found" command squads to hold ground at all? They can never score. Also, even if you meant that more abstractly given their firepower, how? They're a 3+ save...they die just as easily as any other marine. But they're more expensive. You have 24" range and you're best within 12". Even ORKS can stay away from you and blow them away with Lootas.

Look, if you don't want to mech up, fine, but you have to go full on marine horde, like 80+ MINIMUM. That means six full tactical squads, and a few devastator squads at absolute minimum. You also need a significant buff with an army like this. Either army wide scout move like Raven Guard or, more effectively, a UM Calgar force.

If you ARE willing to mech up; (and yes, drop pods count as meching up), then you can still spam tacs but give them all drop pods and throw in a few Ironclads in their own pods. Your command squad then is actually viable because the pod will get their plasma/melta right where you need it to be.

I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just trying to help you.

**Anpu42**

The Shrike wrote:
I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just trying to help you.

I understand.
I am still trying to get into my grove with the new Space Marine Codex.
They screwed me with one thing, I still can’t equip my Sergeants the way I want [Combi-Plasma/Lighting Claw].
Otherwise than that I love it

Here is the dread list.

Master of the Forge, 145 pts (Conversion Beamer; Lightning Claw; Auspex; Melta Bombs; Digital Weapons; Warlord)
Centurion Devastator Squad, 290 pts (Grav-amp x2; Missile Launcher x2; Grav-cannon x2)
1x Centurion Sergeant (Grav-amp; Missile Launcher; Grav-cannon; Omniscope)

Librarian, 110 pts (Bolt Pistol; Force Sword; Increase Mastery Level x1, Auspex; Melta Bombs; Digital Weapons; 6E Psychic Disciplines)
Command Squad, 210 pts (Bolt Pistol x4; Melta Bombs x4; Company Standard; Plasma gun x4)
1x Apothecary

Tactical Squad, 250 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Boltgun x7; Plasma gun; Plasma Cannon)
1x Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Chainsword; Combi-Plasmagun)
1x Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armour; Hunter-killer Missile; x2 Storm Bolter)

Scout Squad, 152 pts (Bolt Pistol x9; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle x8; Heavy Bolter; Hellfire Shells (for Heavy Bolter))
1x Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle)

Stalker, 75 pts (Icarus Stormcannon Array; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers)

Dreadnought, 125 pts (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armour; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Missile Launcher)

Dreadnought, 125 pts (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armour; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Missile Launcher)

Dreadnought, 125 pts (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armour; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Missile Launcher)

Dreadnought, 165 pts (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Power Fist; Extra Armour; Assault Cannon; Heavy Flamer; Venerable)

Land Speeder Squadron, 225 pts (Land Speeder x3; Heavy Bolter x3; Typhoon Missile Launcher x3)

**The Shrike**

Ok, I'm starting to understand given how you outfitted your dreads.....you haven't played marines since 4th ed have you? Missile Launchers?

Lemme show you what an IH dread spam list should look like:

Motf: Conversion Beamer- 110

Ironclad: Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod- 180
Ironclad: Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod- 180
Ironclad: Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod- 180

Tactical Marines x10: Flamer, Multi-Melta- 190
Tactical Marines x10: Flamer, Multi-Melta- 190
Tactical Marines x10: Flamer, Multi-Melta- 190
Tactical Marines x10: Flamer, Multi-Melta- 190

Stormtalon: AC+LC- 140

Ironclad: Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod- 180
Thunderfire Cannon- 100
Stormraven- 200

Total: 2000

**Anpu42**

Well I own from your list:
2x Drop Pods

**Martel732**

Actually cent devs with ML/LC with Tiggy are far from bad. With a 75% chance of perfect timing, they can devastate Eldar vehicles from a long distance and force them to dance to your tune for once.

I use an IH list with bikers and air power sometimes. I don't like the regular marine vehicles, even with IWND.

**Anpu42**

To be honest the only Dreads I field regularly is Björn or Rifleman Dreads and then that is not often.

I have been finding though the Rifleman Dreads to be lacking if there are no transports to kill, I had one spend three turns firing at on Tactical Squad and killed 1 model recently and there was not a lot of missing. The TL-AC/Missile Launcher Dreads in mass can do a lot of damage to non-marine units though or at least that is my experience and if I hit with the ML I at least kill one marine.
My last Dread that did well was armed with the TL-HB/SB combo. I killed about 15 Marines before it was removed as a crater and 5 of those were from the 6” Blast, that was fun game though.
As for as not playing Space Marines since 4th…Yes I have been playing Space Wolves and Dark Angels mostly so yes I have not had much experience with Dreads.

**Martel732**

Dreads are vey meh in the 6th meta. Especially regular AV 12 dread because they are easy fodder for missile sides and the ungodly amount of S6/7 that Eldar can bring.