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Hi guys, right I'm going to be fighting a few battles of varying points with my friend over the next few weeks, starting with 1000 pointers, so I thought I'd stick a possible army list on here to be duly ripped to shreds, so I can have a clue and start building a proper one But no seriously, I dont consider myself a newbie 'cause I've played before, but this will be my first real game for maybe 8-9years.

Anyway, starting off with the HQ:

Archon (shadowshield,huskblade,soultrap,PGL,combat drugs) = 170
& 4 Incubi = 88
& Venom = 55

Troops

10 Wyches (all haywire grenades, 2 hydra gauntlets) = 140
& Raider (flicker field) = 70
10 Kabalites (splinter cannon) = 100
&Raider (flicker fields)= 70

Fast Attack
6x Reaver Jetbikes (2x Heat Lance, 2x Cluster Caltrops)= 196

Heavy Support
Ravager (Nightshield) = 115

Talos (Twinlinked Liquifier, Chain Flails) = 115


Which takes me to 1119pts... now I'm led to believe you can have +/- 10% on the points? If so I'm banking on his kindness on the 19pts, otherwise ill drop a wych or two. If its not +/-10% I may have to do something more drastic like whittle down squads and lose a bike!


Anyway thoughts guys? Any feedback would be a massive help. Be as brutal as you like I am Deldar after all but its also the best way to learn. Is my Archon too fighty for a Space Wolf force? Should I respec him with a more shooty outlook and drop the Incubi? Is the Talos not a good idea v SW?

Cheers in advance

 GwionB wrote:
Which takes me to 1119pts... now I'm led to believe you can have +/- 10% on the points? If so I'm banking on his kindness on the 19pts, otherwise ill drop a wych or two. If its not +/-10% I may have to do something more drastic like whittle down squads and lose a bike!

Cheers in advance

The. +/- 10% is not a thing. Going over by even 1 point is usually not allowed.
Of course this depends on who you play against - if your friend has said it's ok, go ahead by all means, but as a general rule no.
Regarding the list seems pretty decent, the Talos is always good.
I wouldn't be taking the flicker fields though as the raider's will get their jink save anyway. They weren't bad last ed but they're pretty useless now

Damnit all. Well its the guy who I'm about to battle with that told me it was a thing, so I can either not tell him or....lol, nah its not like its a serious game or anything so he'll probably be cool. I guess I'll have to drop a few Wyches/Warriors and things like the flicker fields to get a bit closer to 1000 though, and a bike if I really really have to. Cheers for the feedback in any case!

If he told you it's ok then run it 10pts over, just be prepared w a backup list if he says no


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Actually if you scrap the flicker fields your at 999pt so no worries

Haha yeah good point! with the flickerfields gone im down to 1099, and if he said hes cool with +-10% then thats fine and dandy. The only thing is that he said this in the pub the other day and I wasn't exactly the one driving home :S I'll text him now and see what the deal is, if its a no go I'll try an alternate list. Cheers for the input mate

Ah I assumed the 1119 was meant to be 1019...
And I highly doubt he will be okay with the +/- 10% rule - most people wont allow 5pts never mind 100
I'd be doing a big rethink. I'll see what I can come up with


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Here's what I came up with:

Dark Eldar (999p)
HQ
Archon
w power sword, haywire grenades, combat drugs, shadow field (115p)

TROOPS
10 Warriors
w Raider (150p)

10 Wyches
w 2x hydra gauntlets, Raider (180p)

ELITES
4 Incubi
w Venom (143p)

FAST ATTACK
6 Reavers
w 2x heat lance, 1x cluster caltrops (176p)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Ravager
(105p)

Talos
w tl liquifier (105p)

Ok how about this:

HQ
Archon (shadowfield,venomblade,PGL,combat drugs) = 125
& 4 Incubi = 88
& Venom = 55

Troops

7 Wyches (all haywire grenades, 2 hydra gauntlets) = 104
& Raider = 60
7 Kabalites (splinter cannon) = 80
&Raider = 60

Fast Attack
6x Reaver Jetbikes (2x Heat Lance, 2x Cluster Caltrops)= 196

Heavy Support
Ravager (Nightshield) = 115

Talos (Twinlinked Liquifier, Chain Flails) = 115


Now that leaves me at 16pt+ which is a lot better...if more culling need be done I could lose the Talos' chain flails for 10 (but it is pretty handy) and another trooper, or maybe one of the bikes (but that way Id one each of the heat lances and cluster caltrops, both pretty wicked weps!)


Ah, tis a tricky un! I feel like he'd be ok with 16pts over though were only messing around for now really. Thoughts on how the list looks like that?


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Yeah sweet! actually pretty similar except youve stripped more in terms of extra powers and Ive stripped troopers. I think the latter is probably more risky tbh; I can get away with a Talos with "just" a liquefier, and an archon without the PGL. Cool Thanks again for the input!

You can't take chain flails and tl liquifier. It's one or the other.
Drop the chain flails and you're good. I'd prefer the extra troops in my list, but you choose

OK, trying to blend the two ideas here

Archon (shadowshield,venomblade,,combat drugs) = 110
& 4 Incubi = 88
& Venom = 55

Troops

10 Wyches (5 haywire grenades, 2 hydra gauntlets) = 130
& Raider = 60
10 Kabalites (splinter cannon) = 100
&Raider = 60

Fast Attack
6x Reaver Jetbikes (2x Heat Lance, 1x Cluster Caltrops)= 176

Heavy Support
Ravager (Nightshield) = 115

Talos (Twinlinked Liquifier,) = 105


giving a grand total of 999pts if I'm not mistaken? was sad to see the chain flail go from the talos but there we go. Think thats pretty viable anyway!


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Ah actually cant take both? there ya go, lesson learnt. I'm stil coming to grips with 40k again let alone new rules etc. But I'd rather have the liquefier any day. Cool, seems enough of a challenge for him in any case

your troop units are too small and will die quick to bolter fire if caught out in the open for even a second or a counter charge from blood packs. but a unit of Kabalite warriors must have ten members before you can add a splinter cannon so they must be bumped up in size if you want to field them with one.

On the archon I personally prefer the agoniser and combat drugs don't help him nearly as much as they use to so you can drop them with little loss.

I would set it up something like this

HQ

Archon with agoniser, ghostplate armour, and Shadow field (total 120 pts)

Troops

two units of 10 Kabalite warriors with one splinter cannon and raider (160 pts x2 = 320)

Elites

5 Hekatrix Bloodbrides with hydra gauntlets and Haywire grenades(total 85 pts)

4 Incubi with Klaivex (taking Murderous Assault) and venom with splinter cannon (total 178 pts)

Fast attack

Reavers with two Heat Lances and Arena Champion (total 166)

Heavy support

Ravager with Night Shields and Flickerfields (total 125)

which gives you a total of 994 pts, I'd hold the brides in reserve and use them as mid/late game support to wipe out damaged units. The incubi form a mobile and strong hitting unit while the warriors are capable a unleashing a decent number of shoots during the shooting phase

Yeah fair enough I realised that stripping my units down too much wasnt going to get me too far. But at the moment I'm basically restricted as to what I've got in terms of models; It was a choice between another group of warriors and a raider/ two venoms and one talos, and I went for the latter pricewise. If I had free reign over the Deldar codex in terms of models I may choose a fair different list frankly, lol but using what I have (basically not on my latest post battle list is my razorwing, and 1 incubus) I think this will be competitive, especially with the sqauds up to 10 and retaining splinter cannon and some haywire grenades. I know my combatant will be in the same boat so this first ruckus I'm not as worried. I may well drop the combat drugs though, do you think the agoniser is more cost effective than the venomblade? Huskblade would be my prime choice but its rather expensive in the circumstances.

Anyway apologies if this is a tad rambling, I've had rather a few more glasses of wine than when I initially posted this for criticism good health to all!

I played DE for a year or two before the release of the new codex (have yet to play a game under it thou) so my preference for the agnoinser comes from there, but if I recall correctly (so if I am wrong correct me) under 6th ed a power weapon is AP3 so the agnoinser is an AP3 CC weapon that wounds on a 4+ regardless of toughness vs the venomblade with AP- but always wounding on a 2+ regardless of toughness. So it comes down to what you are facing, against any SM army I'd say the agoniser will be more effective then a venomblade. As for the Huskblade, it would probably need to be used with a Soul-Trap for maxium effect as a S3 attack will have issues wounding things with T5 and with some psychic powers able to bring toughness to 7 or higher you may find yourself unable to wound anything