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So, how many ways are there to give a unit the Relentless rule? I'm considering some strategies that could work with any army, but it's going to require giving units the Relentless rule that don't already have it. Logan Grimnar can do it, but I can't think of any others. Any thoughts?

Bikes, jump packs, and jet packs?

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extremefreak17 wrote:
Bikes, jump packs, and jet packs?

Do Jet Packs get Relentless? That might be something.

Endurance. That give a unit a whole slew of awesome powers.

 Jimsolo wrote:

extremefreak17 wrote:
Bikes, jump packs, and jet packs?

Do Jet Packs get Relentless? That might be something.

Jet Packs and Bikes confer Relentless. I was wrong about Jump Packs though. Pg 47 BRB

 McNinja wrote:
Endurance. That give a unit a whole slew of awesome powers.

Also an intriguing suggestion. Tigurius can get reasonable access to that. Who else can get Biomancy, specifically Endurance with any reliability?

Sevrin Loth, chief librarian of the red scorpions.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
Endurance. That give a unit a whole slew of awesome powers.

Also an intriguing suggestion. Tigurius can get reasonable access to that. Who else can get Biomancy, specifically Endurance with any reliability?

Any Librarian has access to Biomancy.

 j31c3n wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
Endurance. That give a unit a whole slew of awesome powers.

Also an intriguing suggestion. Tigurius can get reasonable access to that. Who else can get Biomancy, specifically Endurance with any reliability?

Any Librarian has access to Biomancy.

I think what he was saying is that Loth's is more reliable. (He gets to pick his own powers.)

Strangely Slow and purposeful also confers relentless on a unit if 1 model has it. So Ork ICs in Mega Armour will make a unit relentless.

Pharaon rule on the Overlord. Hardly anyone takes it though, because there is nothing that could really benefit from it.

Not sure I quite understand the statement. Relentless is determined on a model by model basis meaning a model with a Jetpack does not confer Relentless to a unit he joins (p.41). Psychic powers notwithstanding.

xera32 wrote:
Strangely Slow and purposeful also confers relentless on a unit if 1 model has it. So Ork ICs in Mega Armour will make a unit relentless.

Hmmm. That's actually a really good idea.

That's somewhat odd rule. How can a single biker riding along make everyone else relentless? I mean you ain't becoming tougher when a truck rides along you, right? Just like "hey look my wraithknight has a toe in that ruin so he's got a 4+ cover!". It's one of things that we discuss with an opponent beforehead and i insist of this rules not to be used at all. Even though i play orkses myself and it could be handy to have relentless for lootas.

@koooaei: Man, cover save arguments are like 90% of the time spent playing 40k I swear. The way friends and I have started to play it is basically you only get "area terrain" benefits if there is something reasonable that your guy would be able to hide behind, meaning forests/bushes/water area tends to get it while ruins terrain does not as that is typically a wall. You're either behind the wall or you're not. But like you said, it's one of those things that you really need to discuss beforehand.

As for relentless: The only way I'm aware of to "give" it is through Endurance in Biomancy. Theoretically you've got a pretty solid chance of rolling it with any level 3 psyker who can roll on that table all 3 times. It pretty much means non-aligned sorcerers with Chaos marines, and Tigurius (who has the benefit of rerolling anything he doesn't want).

You can give it to HQs that you can stick on a bike or give a jetpack. That can be fairly handy. I know there are several cheesy things you can do that way if you utilize an Autarch on a jetbike.

Autarch + Jetbike + Mantle of the Laughing God is silly enough already. Throwing the Uldanorethi Long Rifle or a Reaper Laucher on top of that is pretty hilarious. Jink + stealth + shrouded = 2+ cover simply for moving, rerollable because of the Mantle, and now you can utilize that sexy BS6 to snipe some things with the 120" AP3 sniper rifle or S5 AP3 rockets. It's a ton of points (rough math puts it at like 175 for a dude who's essentially a 50/50 chance to see if he even causes a wound in any given round) so it's not horribly competitive, but it is pretty hilarious and it makes it pretty difficult for most armies to gain Slay The Warlord against you if nothing else.

Or you could put a lone biker in 50 man blob and move+shoot u'r heavyweapons.

 koooaei wrote:
Or you could put a lone biker in 50 man blob and move+shoot u'r heavyweapons.

How so? I think there might be some confusion here.

One model with Relentless in the squad does not grant the whole unit Relentless.

One model with Slow and Purposeful in the unit DOES grant the unit the ability to fire heavy weapons as though stationary. (Although it still doesn't confer the Relentless rule, just a Relentless-like effect.)

Yeah, no where does it say a model with Relentless gives it to a squad. I think Slow and Purposeful and Biomancy are the only ways besides the odd special character.

Megarmor Warlords in a Loota squad are a great way to tank a Baleflamer shot or two as long as they are the closest fig to the Helldrake. They will probably die in the process or until the Helldrake moves to place him on the far side of the mob. I dunno if it is worth it though. To bad Orks can't join IG blobs.

So only snp makes everyone else relentless? Still that's odd logic.
Anywayz if u're in for using such stuff, just check for snp IC. Basically orkses have those. Iirc there's a pre-heresy terminator type of armor that makes bearer snp.
Also biomancy but you need some luck to get it. I was thinking of a platoon with Tigurius that can give them fnp and relentless. But it's hard to say what's better, just go full divination which is gona be needed but with some less effectiveness or go biomancy in hopes of getting those single awesome power.

Terminator armour comes with relentless if it is just for a single character.

Mega armor is slow and purposeful. I use that on my units. Attach them to a SAG in a BW. Good times.

 Barun Von Krump wrote:
Mega armor is slow and purposeful. I use that on my units. Attach them to a SAG in a BW. Good times.

I'm thinking about giving it to an HQ attached to burna boyz and then giving them some promethium pipes to play around.

Just keep in mind that Slow and Purposeful doesn't convey Relentless, it conveys Slow and Purposeful. Which means no running, and perhaps more importantly no overwatch, if there is so much as a single Slow and Purposeful model in the unit.

Would a techmarine be able to fire and move with a conversion beamer if he was attached to centurions?

I think yes, now that you mention it.

Also, if the centurion sergeant has the omniscope the tech marine can fire at a different target to the cents. This would negate any range issues between the different weapons.

I can't really see a point to doing it, It was just a thought. I was thinking you could do the same with a thunderfire cannon but that's a unit....

Now that you've mentioned it, it helps my plan to add Tigurius to some Centurions. Since I try to go Telekinesis for the Gate of Infinity, if I get Vortex of Doom, I can use it even if I've moved. How cool is that?!