| Author |
Message |
 |
|
|
|
|
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
2013/12/31 00:42:19
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Dakka Veteran
|
i saw these forums on heresy online, so i been meaning to ask you guys these questions..... i know alot of people hate me and my threads, but i just love the lore alot, that i want to know more and get all your guys opinions......
what primarch came out of the heresy with the most? and which primarch came out the heresy with the least......?
|
|
|
 |
|
2013/12/31 00:55:25
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Boom! Leman Russ Commander
|
Id say that the surviving chaos ones came out fairly well. They are still alive and well and have their own empires to rule. some of the even having attained 'godhood' in the form of becoming daemon princes.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 00:55:56
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Strike Cruiser Vladislav Volkov
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 00:57:11
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Dakka Veteran
|
in my opinion, Fulgrim lost the most, he never really wanted to betray the emperor, but his body could not resist chaos, and when he picked up the sword and killed ferrus.. his closest brother.......
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 01:19:25
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
|
LightKing wrote:i saw these forums on heresy online, so i been meaning to ask you guys these questions..... i know alot of people hate me and my threads, but i just love the lore alot, that i want to know more and get all your guys opinions......
what primarch came out of the heresy with the most? and which primarch came out the heresy with the least......?
Ferrus came out the worst, missing his head.
Fulgrim made out the best, he is having a ball. Nothing like the rush of seeing the betrayed look in your brother's eyes before you murder him. The guilt, the glee, so exhilarating.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:02:14
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
|
Except that it's not Fulgrim, but a Daemon. Fulgrim cowers in his own mind.
Sticking to traitor Primarchs I'd say that they all gained something useful but have ended up trapped by their gifts.
They are all Daemon Princes now aren't they (the ones that are confirmed to still exist)?
Fulgrim, Angron, Magnus, Mortarion, Lorgar and Perturabo have become physically greater than they were, but are tied to the warp forever. I think this would plague Angron the most, driving him into further depths of rage.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:07:31
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
|
Lorgar proably among the triators.
among the loyalists, definatly Gulliman
|
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:09:54
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Wing Commander
|
I have a hard time picturing any primarch walking away from the siege of terra feeling like things had gone well.
Sanguinus didn't go out too bad. Everybody dies, and he went out a hero. The circumstances of his death are also probably the only thing that prevent the Inquisition from purging the Blood Angels.
I don't think the Alpha Legion got hurt too badly either.
|
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army  so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:12:13
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
|
Ferrus Manus came out of it more ahead than most...
|
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:40:17
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
Thats no longer true. Fulgrim used the time he spent trapped in the recesses of his mind to learn about Daemons and the warp, until he was able to drive out the Daemon.
Fulgrim's most loyal Commanders (Lucius, Fabius Bile etc) had began to suspect that their Primarch had been posessed by an entity of the warp. They incapacitated him, restrained him and began to torture or experiment on him, trying to drive the Daemon out. Fulgrim eventually revealed that he had already regained control of his body and subdued the Daemon, but had decided to embrace Chaos. Allowing them to capture him and torture/experiment on him was his way of testing their loyalty and teaching them a lesson. Apparently they passed.
Fulgrim is no longer a prisoner in his own mind but has fully embraced Chaos.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Fulgrim#Fulgrim.27s_Fate
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/12/31 02:40:37
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:42:50
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
|
Was that before or after he killed Ferrus?
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 02:44:11
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Gargantuan Gargant
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 05:56:48
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Sniping Reverend Moira
|
It's all detailed in the Primarchs novel in the story "Reflection Crack'd"
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 07:27:50
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
|
I find that story a tad ambiguous, I still think it's the daemon.
OT, I'd say Corax or Vulkan came off worse from the Heresy, their legions decimated, their sanity slipping.
Guilliman originally came off best, but with the new fluff, he's lost a LOT.
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 10:08:21
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Morphing Obliterator
Elsewhere
|
Lorgar, of course.
He proved he was right: the gods were real. He did what he thought it should be done and changed the fate of the galaxy.
Then he retired to do what he likes to do: write books. He didn´t care at all about commanding the Legion or being a leader. That´s what Erebus and Kor Phaeron are for. He wanted to be a writer. He wants to be a spiritual leader, of course, but he is not fond of giving sermons, he is mostly into writing stuff and let others do the job.
And both his previous books, "Lectitio Divinitatus" and "The Book of Lorgar" became massive best-sellers, read, discussed and appreciated by countless billions. Which is a massive hard-on for any writer.
And before the Heresy, he was trapped in a job he didn´t want, and looked down by his opinions.
About loyalist Primarchs: they all lost something that was very important to them. None of them wanted the Heresy to happen.
|
‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 14:33:45
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
|
I've read that story twice now and I still think its the deamon tricking them. He still talks like the deamon. And when Lucius stares at the painting, the way its written, it still feels like Fulgrims still in there!
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 16:12:45
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Screaming Shining Spear
|
LightKing wrote:i saw these forums on heresy online, so i been meaning to ask you guys these questions..... i know alot of people hate me and my threads, but i just love the lore alot, that i want to know more and get all your guys opinions......
what primarch came out of the heresy with the most? and which primarch came out the heresy with the least......?
I think it'd be better if you asked more poignant questions instead of open ended fanboi teasers where people are just going to scream for their favorite faction. Ask more direct questions instead of 'Who be da bestest baddie that every baddied'....these kind of questions are a waste of time.
This one needs to be more specific as well. Be more specific and people won't 'hate' on your threads so much and think you are just trying to stir gak.
|
 Farseer Faenyin
 7,100 pts Yme-Loc Eldar(Apoc Included) / 5,700 pts (Non-Apoc)
Record for 6th Edition- Eldar: 25-4-2
Record for 7th Edition -
Eldar: 0-0-0 (Yes, I feel it is that bad)
Battlefleet Gothic: 2,750 pts of Craftworld Eldar
X-wing(Focusing on Imperials): CR90, 6 TIE Fighters, 4 TIE Interceptors, TIE Bomber, TIE Advanced, 4 X-wings, 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, Y-wing, Z-95
Battletech: Battlion and Command Lance of 3025 Mechs(painted as 21st Rim Worlds) |
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 16:20:02
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
The Last Chancer Who Survived
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 17:03:41
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
|
Lexicanum can't really give you opinions though. I think the question is valid.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2013/12/31 19:42:16
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Strike Cruiser Vladislav Volkov
|
Opinions come from the self. If you let someone else dictate opinion to you, it's not really yours, is it?
|
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/01 16:45:45
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
|
You can formulte and adjust your opinion based on the feedback of others. Looking at others opinions and any evidence they provide to support those opinions is the sign of an open mind. Not allowing others opinions and evidence to influence your own is the sign of willful ignorance and the complete opposite to having an open mind.
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 13:53:34
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Portsmouth
|
Well tbh, all of the Traitor Primarch's are still very much Alive n Kicking...albeit they sold their souls.
While all of the Loyalist Primarch's are either Mortally Wounded, Dead or are Missing in Action.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
In fact the Only loyalist Primarch who got what he wanted so to speak was Girlyman who managed to finish, publish and implement the Codex Astartes.
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/01/02 13:55:04
"You strive for victory. That is obvious. What may be less obvious is the nature of victory. There are circumstances in which you can destroy the enemy utterly, without loss to your own forces, and yet the victory may be his. In all situations, you must first decide on the nature of victory, and then take steps to secure it. Avoid the instinct of fight first and think later." ( Leman Russ ) |
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 14:08:45
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
|
 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Thats no longer true. Fulgrim used the time he spent trapped in the recesses of his mind to learn about Daemons and the warp, until he was able to drive out the Daemon.
Fulgrim's most loyal Commanders (Lucius, Fabius Bile etc) had began to suspect that their Primarch had been posessed by an entity of the warp. They incapacitated him, restrained him and began to torture or experiment on him, trying to drive the Daemon out. Fulgrim eventually revealed that he had already regained control of his body and subdued the Daemon, but had decided to embrace Chaos. Allowing them to capture him and torture/experiment on him was his way of testing their loyalty and teaching them a lesson. Apparently they passed.
Fulgrim is no longer a prisoner in his own mind but has fully embraced Chaos.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Fulgrim#Fulgrim.27s_Fate
Unless someone can actually confirm that thats written in a Horus Heresy book somewhere, I wouldn't really take that wiki entry too seriously, unlike lexicanum, the editors there have a tendency to play it 'fast and loose' with the fluff...
|
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 14:11:56
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Lesser Daemon of Chaos
|
I think of the Primarchs that survived Curze did the worst out of the traitors, thanks to Sevatar, most of the legion survied but were scattered into warbands even before the end of the war. He destroyed his home world, he lost his sanity, broke his own beloved code, and presided over a legion that he hated. Of all the Primarchs I believe Curze to be the only one who actually welcomed and believed he deserved death.
Of the loyaloists I'd say The Lion. He was almost a shoe-in for being the next Warmaster, who could have actually successfully opposed Guiliman's reforms to the legions. However, what should have been a glorious victory, turned sour at the realisation that his mentor and best friend had lead his Lhome world against him, resulting in the destruction of Caliban, the Lion going into seclusion. The Dark Angels were the second most powerful of all of the surving loyalist legions and yet fell into almost complete obscurity. Look at 40k, a huge percentage of Chapters owe lineage to the Ultramarines, they are one of the most celebrated Chapters and rule over the most prosperous, nicest worlds in the imperium. Whereas the Dark Angels are a handful of chapters that are forced to conduct most of their wars in secrecy, don't even have a homeworld let alone an empire and are viewed with suspicion and distrust by the Inquistion. As a legacy of one of the greatest generals in the galaxy, I'd say the Lion lost more than even the victims of the dropsite massacre.
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 15:15:35
Subject: Re:what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
chaos0xomega wrote:Unless someone can actually confirm that thats written in a Horus Heresy book somewhere, I wouldn't really take that wiki entry too seriously, unlike lexicanum, the editors there have a tendency to play it 'fast and loose' with the fluff...
I believe the source is the shorrt story The Reflection Crack'd.
Lexicanum says the same thing.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fulgrim#Daemonhood
Lexicanum wrote:However in the months afterwards Fulgrim was able to regain his body by unknown means, trapping its essence in the same painting he had been trapped in. This was only revealed to his Legion when a group of Captains led by Lucius realised what had happened to their Primarch and took Fulgrim captive, he allowed them to do this to prove he was no longer possessed, and tried to make the Daemon release its hold over him. Fulgrim revealed that he had forced the Daemon out and had been himself for some time, and had chosen to devote himself to Slaanesh fully and of his own free will.[4]
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/01/02 15:19:53
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 20:34:57
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
|
Poly Ranger wrote:You can formulte and adjust your opinion based on the feedback of others. Looking at others opinions and any evidence they provide to support those opinions is the sign of an open mind. Not allowing others opinions and evidence to influence your own is the sign of willful ignorance and the complete opposite to having an open mind.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
|
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 20:38:08
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
The Last Chancer Who Survived
|
 Psienesis wrote:Poly Ranger wrote:You can formulte and adjust your opinion based on the feedback of others. Looking at others opinions and any evidence they provide to support those opinions is the sign of an open mind. Not allowing others opinions and evidence to influence your own is the sign of willful ignorance and the complete opposite to having an open mind.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
"Knowledge is power, guard it well".
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 20:40:00
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
|
Thought begets Heresy. Heresy begets Retribution.
|
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 20:47:36
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
The Last Chancer Who Survived
|
For those who seek perfection there can be no rest on this side of the grave.
|
|
|
|
|
2014/01/02 20:53:40
Subject: what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?
|
|
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
|
Foolish are those who fear nothing, yet claim to know everything.
|
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
More like "REASONABLE GOOD GUY INC". (side note: exalted)
Fluff for the Fluff God! 
