what primarchs came out of the heresy with the most/with the least?

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**Da krimson barun**

81Northman wrote:
Well tbh, all of the Traitor Primarch's are still very much Alive n Kicking...albeit they sold their souls.

Horus and curze disagree.

**Grimskul**

Soft are those who are hard, yet lack the iron will to sustain it.

**Melissia**

EVIL INC wrote:
Id say that the surviving chaos ones came out fairly well. They are still alive and well and have their own empires to rule. some of the even having attained 'godhood' in the form of becoming daemon princes.

Of course, they gave up free will and their humanity for that, becoming living extensions of the chaos gods they are devoted to (that's what most chaos daemons ARE). Basically they might as well have died.

**Selym**

Melissia wrote:
EVIL INC wrote:
Id say that the surviving chaos ones came out fairly well. They are still alive and well and have their own empires to rule. some of the even having attained 'godhood' in the form of becoming daemon princes.
Of course, they gave up free will and their humanity for that, becoming living extensions of the chaos gods they are devoted to (that's what most chaos daemons ARE). Basically they might as well have died.

Alternative Opinion: They became 100% pure awesome!

**TiamatRoar**

When Lorgar saw the painting that trapped Fulgrim, he was mad at first, but then broke into laughter and told the daemon that was currently possessing Fulgrim's body that it's time was limited. The daemon had no clue what Lorgor found so funny.

Odds are pretty good the real Fulgrim, trapped in the painting, basically told Lorgar, "It's alright bro. I have this handled."

So I'm pretty sure the Fulgrim in Reflection Cracked is the real Fulgrim and he did successfully exorcize the daemon. Though I hear there are some time-line contradictions possibly, here (wouldn't be the first time they accidentally messed that up in the Horus Heresy, though)

**Ifurita**

Omegus wrote:Ferrus came out the worst, missing his head.

Would you say that Ferrus ... came up a bit short?

**Grimskul**

Ifurita wrote:
Omegus wrote:Ferrus came out the worst, missing his head.

Would you say that Ferrus ... came up a bit short?

IGNOOOOOORE ME!

**Psienesis**

Dammit, I made that same joke on page 1! :p

**Grimskul**

Psienesis wrote:
Dammit, I made that same joke on page 1! :p

Shoot! I didn't notice I already got ninja'ed by ya Psienesis. Sorry bout that my bad :(

I guess Ferrus really did have a "head start" when it came to getting to grips with the traitors after all....UGH it's not the same!

**Omegus**

For a guy who wasn't very emotional even by Primarch standards, he sure lost his head over Fulgrim's betrayal.

**Farseer Faenyin**

Psienesis wrote:
Foolish are those who fear nothing, yet claim to know everything.

Pain is weakness of the body, fear a weakness of the mind.

**Medium of Death**

I really hate how Ferrus died. Especially since Fulgrim wasn't that bothered about the Daemon within him afterall.

Still think they should have killed more Primarchs off, but obviously that would result in fluff complications.

A great twist would be them revealing the disappeared Primarchs as actually slain. Lorgar is actually dead, it is just a lie that he dwells in solitude. Russ is dead, Corax is dead etc etc.

**gilamonster**

Rogal dorn came out the worst. He failed to save the Emperor than almoat started another civil war than was force to give up his point of view (which i think is probably the worst) and break up the legion and than got in a sige that butchered hes man and finally getting blown up with only your hand remaining. I think Leman Russ came out pretty well his legion didn't change much and then goes off on a quest that hes idea of a good time I think.

**Vulgar**

Best : Roboute : His methods are the dominant doctrine the Astartes use, also, Ultramar is pretty nice in comparison to the rest of the imperium.

Worst : Horus : He was completely obliterated body and soul.

**TiamatRoar**

Fulgrim's really living it up somewhere nice and sweet, I imagine. A planet of unending pleasure and all, after all.

**Lobokai**

TiamatRoar wrote:
Fulgrim's really living it up somewhere nice and sweet, I imagine. A planet of unending pleasure and all, after all.

That would be trapped on a planet of unending pain and pleasure as dictated by the whims of shim Slaanesh

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Fulgrims a big boy now. I think he can handle a little S&M.

**Pilau Rice**

da001 wrote:
Lorgar, of course.

He proved he was right: the gods were real. He did what he thought it should be done and changed the fate of the galaxy.

Then he retired to do what he likes to do: write books. He didn´t care at all about commanding the Legion or being a leader. That´s what Erebus and Kor Phaeron are for. He wanted to be a writer. He wants to be a spiritual leader, of course, but he is not fond of giving sermons, he is mostly into writing stuff and let others do the job.

And both his previous books, "Lectitio Divinitatus" and "The Book of Lorgar" became massive best-sellers, read, discussed and appreciated by countless billions. Which is a massive hard-on for any writer.

And before the Heresy, he was trapped in a job he didn´t want, and looked down by his opinions.

I like to think that after his actions actually turned the Emperor into what he believed him to be, a God, he's been kicking himself ever since

**TiamatRoar**

Lobukia wrote:

That would be trapped on a planet of unending pain and pleasure as dictated by the whims of shim Slaanesh

Even if that's the case (which I doubt, since it's stated that the planet was designed by Fulgrim, not by Slaanesh, albeit in Slaanesh's name and dedicated to Slaanesh, obviously), I imagine Fulgrim LIKES it that way. He certainly did in Reflection Crack'd from what I heard.