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Played a Game of Escalation yesterday, It was a 1500 point game. To try it out basically. I had 1500pts of Dark Eldar. Or should I say 600 Pts of dark Eldar with my revenant Titant. Against a Friends Dark angels army. The One thing I am wondering allthough in the rule book a Cover save comes under the Saving types. And Obviously D weapons Ignore Saves of anykind. Does this also remove the cover save? It just seems a bit too much if im honest. Yes I won, and won easily, the only thing he had left was a Flyer at the end of turn 3. So not much fun for me either.

Yes they ignore ALL saves, and another perfect example of why Escalation (and specifically) D weapons have no place in 40K outside of APOC.

Yeah, they ignore cover saves.

And I don't know. Spending 60% of your list to get that benefit seems like it'd probably be a fair trade, at least to me.

60% of your list to basically ignore a good 75% of the rules in the game concerning combat is not a fair trade imo

 Jimsolo wrote:
Yeah, they ignore cover saves.

And I don't know. Spending 60% of your list to get that benefit seems like it'd probably be a fair trade, at least to me.

60% of your points to essentially guarantee your opponent is tabled by turn 3?
Yeah, that's a totally fair trade off. Good point. I'm glad you can be reasonable.

Could be worse,
Stronghold gets you a D class weapon for less then 600 points and while I am sure it is not as great as some of the escalation Lord of War choices, it is devastating in and of itself. The fact they gave that thing an armor value high enough to ensures anything short of a strength 10 weapon have 0% chance of inflicting damage makes me wonder why it isn't worth twice as much. Oh, and with a Special rule to gain a negative to the damage result table makes it even more survivable then anything else on the table.

Probably does not fit here, but in the "D Weapon whine thread",

But i do believe both books contain new Eternal War Missions "recommended" for the use of Fortifications or Escalation...

I personally read "If you have SH / Stronghold, no playing BrB Eternal War missions" unless you want the "unfairness" to be pretty high.

did your opponent make use of any of the strong hold assault stuff?

did your opponent make use of any of the escalation stuff?

how was the table laid out?

and many many other questions that all have an impact on if it was a fair fight to begin with.

that being said 40k has never been about a fair fight, a large part of the game takes place before you even set foot in your gaming room/hall/shop, the list building.

if you do not take anything that could see off a titan, then you entered the battle unprepared and as you took one, he obviously didn't bring anything able to deal with it.

I'm not saying that you need a titan to kill a titan, far from it, my salamander drop list has blown up 6 titans thus far for a fraction of the points that those titans cost to field.

you also have to keep in mind that LOS is from the barrel of the weapons themselves on those behemoths, you can play hide-away with a table that has adequate terrain

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Played a Game of Escalation yesterday, It was a 1500 point game. To try it out basically. I had 1500pts of Dark Eldar. Or should I say 600 Pts of dark Eldar with my revenant Titant. Against a Friends Dark angels army. The One thing I am wondering allthough in the rule book a Cover save comes under the Saving types. And Obviously D weapons Ignore Saves of anykind. Does this also remove the cover save? It just seems a bit too much if im honest. Yes I won, and won easily, the only thing he had left was a Flyer at the end of turn 3. So not much fun for me either.

The Revenant Ttian is one of the most powerful (IMO) units in Escalation so it was always going to be a uphill struggle with most armies and Dark Angels are no exception.

Yes D weapons ignore ALL saves.

Did he have any of the special Warlord Traits that he was entitled to - did they help?

Did he know in advance he was facing an Esculation game - I think thats essential and I know my local GW store and our Club say that people wanting to play Escalation games need to agree in advance...?

Yes Cover Saves are saves. Yes D weapons ignore them. Yes D weapons are super powered. Is Escalation unbalanced? Not particularly in fact it balances some stuff out (the various Death stars out there). If you kill the Revenant you win and it is basically as hard to kill as 3 Wave Serpents, so far from super difficult. The Revenant is a flat track bully unit much like Screamerstar (and to a lesser Extent O'Vesastar) and will pound an unprepared or unskilled opponent. But a good player can deal with it. It can make for a dull game though as much like the Deathstar games it becomes a can you deal with this unit if so you win if not you lose.

 quickfuze wrote:
Yes they ignore ALL saves, and another perfect example of why Escalation (and specifically) D weapons have no place in 40K outside of APOC.

More like why the changes they made to D weapons are stupid. They were perfectly fine with Ignores Cover, Auto wound, and Auto penetrate.