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Not the kind of people an aspiring Emperor wants in his autocracy.

Free people with courage, honor and a desire to be free. No wonder the thing fell apart. Also I don't think the Imperium is autocratic, its more a cast based society, God King, gene enhanced super warriors, noble families, useful yet still powerless people to do the actual work and fighting, most of unwashed humanity to do the actual work, then slaves, mutants and lobotomy victims to do the even worse work, then your occasional person who thought of a different way that you burn at the stake and take everyone's mind away from the actual problems, all strangely like real life.

Everyone thinks the Horus Heresy changed things but all it did was put the noble families in charge rather than the space marines.

As far as evil it is definitely Papa Smurf. Not only for Virus bombing the Imperium and crippling it but the horrible hypocrisy he had. Doing this right after whining about how bad the World Eaters and Night Lords were, whining about courage and honor and then running away when the odds were against him. A war criminal weakling hypocrite.

Needless to say I was dissopointed when Honsou didn't defrost him show him then show him what a failure the Imperium had become and then use his skull as a drinking glass. Yea Games Work Shop HAD to have Honsou fail and could'nt allow something interesting to happen, sigh.

 tomball0706 wrote:


...Nah, in Angrons mind he was dead, he wanted to die on his homeworld with his brother gladiators but instead the Emperor teleported him up because he didn't want him to die. Would it of been hard to help Angron defeat 5 armies with the custodes? Nope, it wouldn't of been, that action just added to the long book of all the things the emperor did wrong.

When discussing Angron, people always seem to forget that the nails cause him constant headaches that are so severe he can only find a form of peace when killing and inflicting bloodshed, can you really blame the man for being angry when that is happening to him 24/7 and being taken away from his first true brothers? He wasn't the weakest Primarchs by a long shot, he was the second most damaged mentally, the first being our 30K batman, to which made it easy to convince him to turn against the father figure he always had a degree of hatred too.

The only mistake the Emperor made with Angron was his choice to not lop his head off his shoulders right then and there. Angron was always doomed, and allowing him to live was far crueler than killing him would have been.

Yes actually, because Kharn handled it so much better than he did despite not having a Primarch's willpower and strength. Angron was weak.

I feel far more sympathy for Curze, who recognized he had a problem, and actually expressed some desire toward getting help, only for him to be denied it.


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Ironclad Warlord wrote:

Not the kind of people an aspiring Emperor wants in his autocracy.

Free people with courage, honor and a desire to be free. No wonder the thing fell apart. Also I don't think the Imperium is autocratic, its more a cast based society, God King, gene enhanced super warriors, noble families, useful yet still powerless people to do the actual work and fighting, most of unwashed humanity to do the actual work, then slaves, mutants and lobotomy victims to do the even worse work, then your occasional person who thought of a different way that you burn at the stake and take everyone's mind away from the actual problems, all strangely like real life.

Everyone thinks the Horus Heresy changed things but all it did was put the noble families in charge rather than the space marines.

As far as evil it is definitely Papa Smurf. Not only for Virus bombing the Imperium and crippling it but the horrible hypocrisy he had. Doing this right after whining about how bad the World Eaters and Night Lords were, whining about courage and honor and then running away when the odds were against him. A war criminal weakling hypocrite.
Needless to say I was dissopointed when Honsou didn't defrost him show him then show him what a failure the Imperium had become and then use his skull as a drinking glass. Yea Games Work Shop HAD to have Honsou fail and could'nt allow something interesting to happen, sigh.

What are you even talking about here?

Its definitely Guilliman and Dorn, all the Primarchs have done some bad things, these guys just pretend to be just merciful and righteous cause they can't stand what they are.