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2014/04/20 15:47:56
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
CBR, if you do decide to make such a thread, Dakka Discussions would be perfect for it! I know many Dakkanauts would love to discuss it, so post a link here if you do and people can direct it over there. But I agree there's no need to pursue it too far here, as Jeremy has posted pretty clearly what kind of campaign he's going to run, and is being really honest about his plans.
But yeah, back to Easter stuff for real now
2014/04/20 15:51:42
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
RiTides wrote: CBRFigs, your posts look fine to me. But while many campaigns "unlock" later waves of minis when they go beyond expectations, this one is just going to launch a later campaign for those.
Personally, I like this strategy and hope it catches on a bit, resulting in more "on time" campaigns that stay within their original scope... and thus, within their delivery schedule!
Very much this. The "pledge for stretches" model can be run well and fulfill promptly, Mierce seems to be doing a sterling job in that regard, but it can also go seriously wrong. Anyone with questions in their mind about Jeremy's approach should have a look into what's happened to Raging Heroes(I'm aware some campaigns have gone far far worse, but from what I've read most of them seem to be due to either deliberate dishonesty, or the type of incompetence which would show up regardless of what funding model was used); they over-promised, over-reached, reacted to genuine feedback with disdain, and as a result we're now sitting a month after the date they originally claimed would signal completion of fulfillment, but haven't even seen a pledge manager. They managed to turn a wave of massive enthusiasm into a backer pool that's mostly a mixture of dislike, ambivalence, and jokes at their expense, because they didn't handle the "pledge for stretches" model well and weren't willing to engage fully with the community that was starting to form around their product.
I'd far rather more KS followed Jeremy's example of modest, reachable, achievable goals combined with genuine engagement, than go the other way and end up being a gamble whether it turns out well, or devolves into a bitter morass of disappointed backers and frustrated creators.
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2014/04/20 16:16:21
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
RiTides (or Tides as I call you on all the video stuff) you should definitely be there in the next Google hangout to demand your golem. We could develop some conversation and silhouette surrounding it. Will happen in few days I am thinking.
He's going to be insufferable now...
2014/04/20 16:24:33
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
As far as kickstarters go I detest the model of starting with half the box contents and adding them back in as "free" stretch goals as has been common with some companies. I've always thought that an upfront model with "this is what we want to do and this is how much we need to achieve that" is preferable. So you basically know what you are getting and can decide if it's something you want to back from the getgo. Anything added in or unlocked if you will should be just that - addons that are not really necessary for the product to function as intended.
As such I love how this KS is set up. No confusion.
2014/04/20 16:31:19
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I backed for early bird silver, but I really want the plague demon. I hope I don't have to go to gold when I could have gotten early bird gold just to get him.
Any idea what tier the plague demon will be?
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2014/04/20 16:39:12
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Don't you have enough Golems by now? Don't get me wrong - I like Golems as much as the next guy, but I have this creeping suspiscion that you might be amassing an army to unleash on the world. Do you have a lifesize one yet?
2014/04/20 17:03:49
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I do have golems, but actually not too many types. It's an underserved area of the market! But usable for so many things
Igloo- there May be a large and small plague demon, so they might be available at different tiers depending on if both are ready in time for this campaign.
2014/04/20 18:12:22
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Troll or golem works but I think the second gives more opportunity for awesomeness at this size of model (like a K'daii Destroyer, which has no model currently).
This is all for the future / next campaign of course, but doesn't hurt to mention as they seem to be taking note of backer requests
2014/04/20 18:29:04
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
This never got posted in here, but we're into the second set of unlocked exclusive parts for the models now, with an alternate sword for the spider demon (third row, first pic in the below graphic):
Better views of it can be seen at 2:07 into this video:
Also, in the video diary on the main Kickstarter page, Jeremy mentioned doing google hangouts on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday this week instead of his making videos, which saves time on editing and lets him answer backer questions live, while still putting most of his time into working on the 3d modelling for the remaining unlocks.
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2014/04/20 22:06:50
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Ugh. Figures that I would lose my debit card the weekend that this kickstarter comes out. Hopefully they can get a new one to me before the campaign is over.
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That's three weeks from now, if they don't, change banks!
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Darth Bob wrote: Ugh. Figures that I would lose my debit card the weekend that this kickstarter comes out. Hopefully they can get a new one to me before the campaign is over.
Most banks can make a card for you at any branch and activate it right there. My wife has lost hers twice(stolen once), and I lost mine once, we had cards by the next morning all three time(just because it was after bank hours).
I vote for a beard golem. Just look at cousin It from Addams family for inspiration. It can be the culmination of all those daemonic Beardy players out there joined together to ruin a game.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2014/04/21 00:30:51
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Darth Bob wrote: Ugh. Figures that I would lose my debit card the weekend that this kickstarter comes out. Hopefully they can get a new one to me before the campaign is over.
Most banks can make a card for you at any branch and activate it right there. My wife has lost hers twice(stolen once), and I lost mine once, we had cards by the next morning all three time(just because it was after bank hours).
Thanks for the advice. I'll give my local branch a call tomorrow when they open.
Darth Bob wrote: Ugh. Figures that I would lose my debit card the weekend that this kickstarter comes out. Hopefully they can get a new one to me before the campaign is over.
Most banks can make a card for you at any branch and activate it right there. My wife has lost hers twice(stolen once), and I lost mine once, we had cards by the next morning all three time(just because it was after bank hours).
Thanks for the advice. I'll give my local branch a call tomorrow when they open.
Your welcome and Alpharius thanks you for the loan of the card , no legion member should think they "lost" one.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2014/04/21 02:38:15
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
CreatureCaster wrote: This is my exact point. The 10k to fund a head is a purely arbitrary number. It is in every Kickstarter. If you got your goal, you should be able to make everything you offer.
In every campaign the goals should be reactive. No one can tell the future. I would not change a thing with my campaign, and I am taken aback every time I see a campaign promise stretch goals at the 100K level when they are struggling to get 2K.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I would love o do a Google hangout purely dedicated to crowd sourcing philosophy. Would be a great hangout after the project is done.
Jeremy - I'd love it if you could see your way to scheduling some of the Google Hangout chats on the weekend, instead of, say, Tuesdays. Since I'm international and need to work, weekday ones have me right out of the ability to participate and feed back in real time. (and others around the world will be in the same situation). At least on the weekend I have a bit more control over when I need to sleep!
Very much this. The "pledge for stretches" model can be run well and fulfill promptly, Mierce seems to be doing a sterling job in that regard, but it can also go seriously wrong. Anyone with questions in their mind about Jeremy's approach should have a look into what's happened to Raging Heroes(I'm aware some campaigns have gone far far worse, but from what I've read most of them seem to be due to either deliberate dishonesty, or the type of incompetence which would show up regardless of what funding model was used); they over-promised, over-reached, reacted to genuine feedback with disdain, and as a result we're now sitting a month after the date they originally claimed would signal completion of fulfillment, but haven't even seen a pledge manager. They managed to turn a wave of massive enthusiasm into a backer pool that's mostly a mixture of dislike, ambivalence, and jokes at their expense, because they didn't handle the "pledge for stretches" model well and weren't willing to engage fully with the community that was starting to form around their product.
I've been quietly following the Mierce campaign thread, and it seems to me that it's a bit dishonest. It's not exactly what was said on the tin initially - a "2.5" campaign for "adding a few units" and seems instead to have gone into full-blown "push for cash" mode with a huge number of new sculpts. Since they were apparently 4-5 months late sending out their Wave 0 stuff, I can only imagine that the rest of their stuff will also be delayed, and so on and on in a chain reaction effecting their subsequent waves. While they seem to be doing well on the communication aspect, and the models appear to be of great quality, they slid on fulfilment of their first campaign and are now doing the same with their second - while having already launched a third and pushing for more cash. Hopefully it doesn't end the same way that Maelstrom did... Better than RH by a mile, obviously - but I much prefer the honesty of Jeremy's campaign here, and I'd love to see more campaigns take on this kind of mentality over the stretch-goal-freebie madness (and also a 6-12-18-month delay - oops!)
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RiTides wrote: Oh my gosh, I totally missed that post with the page rollover . I'll do my best to contain my enthusiasm, Alpharius (But if any other "pro chaos golem" folks want to join in the Google Hangout to help make the case for it, it would be appreciated )
I'd love to see one myself, but if it's not already in development, I'd rather see it in KS2 than risk delay in fulfilment times. I won't be able to make it into the hangout due to international times, but Jeremy - you can take this post as my contribution. I do support the idea of optional parts to make the BalrogThirster into a big-arse golem, though.
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basement.dweller wrote: As far as kickstarters go I detest the model of starting with half the box contents and adding them back in as "free" stretch goals as has been common with some companies. I've always thought that an upfront model with "this is what we want to do and this is how much we need to achieve that" is preferable. So you basically know what you are getting and can decide if it's something you want to back from the getgo. Anything added in or unlocked if you will should be just that - addons that are not really necessary for the product to function as intended.
As such I love how this KS is set up. No confusion.
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Very well said, mate. Kudos.
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Well, there is so much awesome that has transpired here in the last 4 hours, I barley know where to start
I am going to be doing something VERY cool for my Australian brothers and sisters over the next few days. I will announce it when it gets a bit closer.
I have got to show some love for the golem. That is a concept that edged out over a lot of others, and would be a dream sculpt for me since I love them.
Google hangouts are the place to send orders directly to my face I will have one tuesday, one thursday, and two on the weekend. The weekend ones, at least one with be aussie-friendly.
The Plaguedemon that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The Treewoman that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The dragons that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the gold level. This may or may not be entirely likely to happen
My campaign seems weird to some people, I totally get that. There is a sense of distrust that forms when I do not dangle carrots, or keep adding stuff to upsell like crazy. In a weird way, we have come to trust the emotion of greed, in its predictability and frequency. However, most people understand my wanting to actually STOP adding models at the point at which I find the edge of my comfort zone. I will not step over this edge. It unfortunate we almost expect every Kickstarter to run late, and I am hoping to change the game a bit with my own campaign.
Having said all that, I am adding incentives and I do want a nice financial lump sum to start this company with some great momentum.. but not at the expense of leaving my comfort zone. Plus, the biggest aspect of a crowd funding campaign is NOT the money. It is the people. That is the most valuable resource, and if gathered correctly, is renewable and sustainable.
I have gotten a few requests for a signature banner that you can use to help us promote our campaign. Thank you very much for your support.
2014/04/21 06:24:11
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
I've been quietly following the Mierce campaign thread, and it seems to me that it's a bit dishonest. It's not exactly what was said on the tin initially - a "2.5" campaign for "adding a few units" and seems instead to have gone into full-blown "push for cash" mode with a huge number of new sculpts. Since they were apparently 4-5 months late sending out their Wave 0 stuff, I can only imagine that the rest of their stuff will also be delayed, and so on and on in a chain reaction effecting their subsequent waves. While they seem to be doing well on the communication aspect, and the models appear to be of great quality, they slid on fulfilment of their first campaign and are now doing the same with their second - while having already launched a third and pushing for more cash. Hopefully it doesn't end the same way that Maelstrom did.
I am not to sure what you are going on about here, I received my wave 0 items back in January exactly on time, in fact I have received every item on time sometimes months earlier than originally planned. The only items that are late so far are the Waewulfas and that was out of their hands.
I am not to sure where the dishonest part is coming from either, they said from the start this KS was to finish off their expansion of the original 7 factions started in KS2, the next planned KS is to start producing models for the last two factions (a completely new project).
Automatically Appended Next Post: I should really not post things from my phone, I can never get the quote thing right!
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2014/04/21 11:13:31
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Good new for the Aussies and Kiwis! 150 Early bird specials to be released at a time that doesn't completely suck for you!
... and if anyone else is bummed that they get a good time to snag up some early birds, be nice because you already got your great time slot. Give them a chance and share the love
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I have gotten a few requests for a signature banner that you can use to help us promote our campaign. Thank you very much for your support.
2014/04/21 11:46:29
Subject: Re:OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
CreatureCaster wrote: ... the biggest aspect of a crowd funding campaign is NOT the money. It is the people. That is the most valuable resource, and if gathered correctly, is renewable and sustainable.
"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
CreatureCaster wrote: ... the biggest aspect of a crowd funding campaign is NOT the money. It is the people. That is the most valuable resource, and if gathered correctly, is renewable and sustainable.
Heh, I missed that comment before. I find it equally amusing as I find it disturbing.
CreatureCaster wrote: I have got to show some love for the golem. That is a concept that edged out over a lot of others, and would be a dream sculpt for me since I love them.
Don't tease me now! I would be so psyched for this (for your next campaign / later release, of course). Whatever spin you want to put on it would be amazing, I'm sure... so far all of your "artistic licenses" have paid off in the current sculpts, I think. I hope this is for real
CreatureCaster wrote: The Plaguedemon that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The Treewoman that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the sliver level. The dragons that may or may not but probably will enter the campaign will most probably be in the gold level. This may or may not be entirely likely to happen
Ah, that's exactly what I thought! But does this indicate, then, that the original LARGER plague demon may not make it in? I'm not sure if that would be gold-level or not. I know a lot of folks are interested in the smaller one, too, but if the larger one could make it in you might see more gold-level pledges. I don't know if it was just a technical challenge (size/mass) keeping it out, but if there's a chance of it making it back in, I think many would be thrilled.
CreatureCaster wrote: Good new for the Aussies and Kiwis! 150 Early bird specials to be released at a time that doesn't completely suck for you!
Very cool of you . Not totally sure what 7pm Sydney time is (on Tuesday) but I have a feeling there will be a lot of googling of that conversion in the next few days
2014/04/21 11:52:48
Subject: OFFICIAL Creature Caster launching on Kickstarter
Will the treewoman, treant w/e miniature be added to the bronze level? Right now the only bronze level miniature is the spider demon, though the kickstarter is all about 'receive one model listed at the bronze level' which implies there will be more than 1 model at bronze, and I can't imagine those two new dragons to be at bronze level, so it would have to be the treant
edited: just saw your note on these stretch goals stating the treewoman will probably be silver level... So there will only be a single bronze?
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