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http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/ACHILLES-ALPHA_PATTERN_LAND_RAIDER.html

The Achilles-Alpha pattern Land Raider is the most durable vehicle currently in the service of the Legiones Astartes. These vehicles shrug off weapon strikes that would cripple other battle tanks, and are proof against even the most toxic environment. The weaponry of these vehicles is formidable, featuring an advanced quad launcher and powerful volkite batteries.

The Achilles-Alpha pattern Land Raider model, designed by Stuart Williamson, is a complete multi-part resin and plastic kit that comes with the option of either twin-linked multi-meltas or twin-linked volkite culverins as sponson weapons. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday January 31st.

They've also put out some more trial/revised rules for a few things



http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/A/AchillesAlpha.pdf
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/K/Kharybdis.pdf
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/R/Rvarna15-1-2014.pdf
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/I/Irillyth-2.pdf

I prefer the original LRA, the side guns look a bit goofy on this one IMO.

Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

For 260pts, I am wholly unimpressed by the Kharybdis. While the ability to fly around flaming everything you fly over sounds fun, the storm launchers seem rather weak. For a few points more, you can take a Caestus Assault Ram. .

Now, that Achilles is sexy. I like Volkite weapons. Love the resilience it has, too. I am, however, curious about its quad mortar. Anyone know what the Shell Shock and Sunder special rules are (or, at least, where I can easily find them amongst my collection of FW books)?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

What changed with this version?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Anyone know what the Shell Shock and Sunder special rules are (or, at least, where I can easily find them amongst my collection of FW books)?

Shell Shock is on p.238 of Betryal, Sunder is on p.287.

 warboss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

What changed with this version?

Yeah, I think they upped the points cost, but it still looks lethal.

I'm really digging Irillyth's rules now.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

What changed with this version?

Yeah, I think they upped the points cost, but it still looks lethal.

I'm really digging Irillyth's rules now.

I can see no difference, still 260 pts? Can also see no rule changes?

Edit - Ah spotted the rule change, its in what support systems you can take.

 warboss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

What changed with this version?

Its big guns are nerfed to AP4, it has lost its 4+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks and can no longer take EWO. Also, if it double-taps its big guns then it cannot fire in its next turn.

Good, the R'Varna needed to be nerfed. FW already had issues with the perception of overpowered units.

Weapons went from AP 3 to AP 4 and the shield generator was changed to the Riptide generator.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

What changed with this version?

Its big guns are nerfed to AP4, it has lost its 4+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks and can no longer take EWO. Also, if it double-taps its big guns then it cannot fire in its next turn.

Missed that first time, for some reason it is still linked to the old PDF on the R'varna page. Sad times.

AH, found the original doc. Okay, changes:

Change from 'integrated shield generator' to 'riptide shield generator'
Support systems restricted to positional relay and stim injector
Change of pulse submunition cannon from AP3 to AP4
Clarification that pulse submunition cannons can't benefit from storm of fire
Clarification that you can't feel no pain a nova reactor wound
If volleying fire with the pulse cannon then you can't fire again the following turn


And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

Wow the Kharybdis Assault Claw is terrible.. even by normal FW rules standards.

260 pts for a drop pod that only holds 10 more models OR can still only hold 1 dreadnought (whats up with that?) and isn't an assault vehicle.. wow what is the purpose of this thing? Yes I realize it has the assault vehicle rule but it can't use it due to the drop pod rule. 0 reason to use this over the assault ram imo

No wonder the legions stopped using it

I think I'll take a drop pod for 35 please

 AtoMaki wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ah, it figures they would nerf the R'varna right into the ground the moment I got one.

What changed with this version?

Its big guns are nerfed to AP4, it has lost its 4+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks and can no longer take EWO. Also, if it double-taps its big guns then it cannot fire in its next turn.

Thanks, those are indeed significant changes. I never played either with or against it so won't comment on their merits but hopefully it's enough to satisfy the apparently majority opinion that it was too powerful for its points.

edit: And thanks to chaosomega for the additional info as well.

chaos0xomega wrote:

And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

Going from AP3 to AP4, losing a point in Invulnerable Save and losing access to some support systems isn't a nerf? Pass the weed, I want some too.

Um - it is an assault vehicle - it just can't assault all the time depending on what you're doing with it that turn.
Also agree that the 'melta' burn thingy is way to weak & what's with the AP5??
At least I can take one with both my HH Death Guard & 40K Death Guard.

chaos0xomega wrote:
AH, found the original doc. Okay, changes:

Change from 'integrated shield generator' to 'riptide shield generator'
Support systems restricted to positional relay and stim injector
Change of pulse submunition cannon from AP3 to AP4
Clarification that pulse submunition cannons can't benefit from storm of fire
Clarification that you can't feel no pain a nova reactor wound
If volleying fire with the pulse cannon then you can't fire again the following turn


And I think thats the complete rundown. Was it toned down? Yes. Is it nerfed? Absolutely not.

It needed toning down, but I doubt it's worth +80 pts over the standard one now for basically +1 T and the ability to borrow a shooting phase from next turn while losing access to all the good systems and not having a jet pack. The firepower is kinda comparable but more wonky and situation dependent.

Note that the R'varna can't shoot the next turn without qualifier, so it can't fire in your opponent's turn, what a penalty! The typical FW loose verbiage strikes again!

 Kirasu wrote:
Wow the Kharybdis Assault Claw is terrible.. even by normal FW rules standards.

260 pts for a drop pod that only holds 10 more models OR can still only hold 1 dreadnought (whats up with that?) and isn't an assault vehicle.. wow what is the purpose of this thing? Yes I realize it has the assault vehicle rule but it can't use it due to the drop pod rule. 0 reason to use this over the assault ram imo

No wonder the legions stopped using it

I think I'll take a drop pod for 35 please

Considering you can fly around with it long after the initial drop, you CAN assault from it.
Just not while dropping. and if you could, well that would have been OP as hell. 20 models assaulting from a drop pod?

If you drop, disembark, and fly away you can potentially pick up other units, who in turn can assault.

Also, it packs quite decent dakka on it. he can threat other fliers later on.

Or even drop AWAY from the enemy, on purpose, so on turn 2 you will go to them, disembark and assault.


Its like a light flying land raider with a bigger cargo.



As for the 107-They might have gone too far there, it was way too good before, but now its not really worthwhile, everything it can do can be done better by broadsides, he can only outrange them, but considering how small the board is, thats not doing much.


The new shadow scepter phonix looks damn interesting though.

It also loses one more important thing likely.... being the continuing posterboy for dysfunctional FW rules and a reason to not allow them in tournaments and general play.

The R'varna now looks to be notably less ridiculous, as expected after feedback. It's still a wee bit too ridiculous at AT with the Cluster Fire rule (being able to put out a potential 12 S8 hits on a vehicle, or potentially multiple vehicles if the blasts clip more than one), though the lack of AP3 now means that a Carnifex or Wraithlord has at least a chance of surviving it.

 Shandara wrote:
Note that the R'varna can't shoot the next turn without qualifier, so it can't fire in your opponent's turn, what a penalty! The typical FW loose verbiage strikes again!

LoL I just noticed that and the BRB says everywhere turn is mentioned it refers to player turn unless specified by game turn. RAI you can't fire in your next shooting phase.

 Enigma Crisis wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Note that the R'varna can't shoot the next turn without qualifier, so it can't fire in your opponent's turn, what a penalty! The typical FW loose verbiage strikes again!

LoL I just noticed that and the BRB says everywhere turn is mentioned it refers to player turn unless specified by game turn. RAI you can't fire in your next shooting phase.

Perhaps that is the intent... if you ubershoot, you lose any chance of overwatch. In previous editions, I'd agree that it would be a slam dunk case of loosey goosey rules writing but with overwatch in the mix now that may be the actual intent (and a much softer nerf in that one aspect).

 warboss wrote:

 Enigma Crisis wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Note that the R'varna can't shoot the next turn without qualifier, so it can't fire in your opponent's turn, what a penalty! The typical FW loose verbiage strikes again!

LoL I just noticed that and the BRB says everywhere turn is mentioned it refers to player turn unless specified by game turn. RAI you can't fire in your next shooting phase.

Perhaps that is the intent... if you ubershoot, you lose any chance of overwatch. In previous editions, I'd agree that it would be a slam dunk case of loosey goosey rules writing but with overwatch in the mix now that may be the actual intent (and a much softer nerf in that one aspect).

It can't fire overwatch anyway as its weapons are blast templates.

Ah, never mind then. Thanks for the clarification.

Damn, it sure is expensive to get Drop Pod Assault as CSM.

 Kirasu wrote:
Yes I realize it has the assault vehicle rule but it can't use it due to the drop pod rule.

Unlike normal drop pods you aren't forced to disembark when it arrives. So you can stay inside your nice drop pod bunker (and with 5 HP it should take some fire) for a turn and then charge out next turn, or even stay aboard and fly around until you get a better spot if you decide not to charge after all. Is it worth the point cost? I don't know, but it does have a purpose.

"Clarification that you can't feel no pain a nova reactor wound "

Woh hang on, is this all across the board for all riptides or have i been playing this wrong?

 Desubot wrote:
"Clarification that you can't feel no pain a nova reactor wound "

Woh hang on, is this all across the board for all riptides or have i been playing this wrong?

As of right now it's just the Nova Reactor – R’varna Class. Until GW FAQs it you can still FNP on the Riptide Nova Reactor.

 Desubot wrote:
"Clarification that you can't feel no pain a nova reactor wound "

Woh hang on, is this all across the board for all riptides or have i been playing this wrong?

Just for the special FW Riptide variant by RAW, but it also says that the nova reactor "works like the normal Riptide" so it may be a hint that GW didn't intend for FNP to work against nova reactor wounds and may FAQ the codex Riptide to work that way.