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I foresee people buying the Horus model solely to get that scenic base. I know I wouldn't mind having one.

And Book III can't get to me fast enough. 40K bores me most of the time, but 30K excites me and sparks my imagination.

What I do hope, however, is that they'll eventually release a book that is just all the rules, army lists, and characters so I only have to carry one book around. As it is now, I have to carry Book I and II when I play.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
That new(ish) Alpha Legion symbol is one of the dumbest things ever.

"We have a secret! But here's a BIG hint!"

The new Legion motto is "Wink!".

Count yourselves lucky, I have it on good authority that this was the new symbol before being pulled at the last minute..

 azreal13 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
That new(ish) Alpha Legion symbol is one of the dumbest things ever.

"We have a secret! But here's a BIG hint!"

The new Legion motto is "Wink!".

Count yourselves lucky, I have it on good authority that this was the new symbol before being pulled at the last minute..

Well, that one's CLEARLY implied in just about every story.

But with more actual twirling of mustaches, of course.

What exactly makes the Alpha with the Omega beneath it dumb?

Well it is rather silly. I don't see the point in the Α+Ω symbol thing.

Fun fact that everybody knows, Α is the first letter of the greek alphabet while Ω is the last.

 Medium of Death wrote:
What exactly makes the Alpha with the Omega beneath it dumb?

Nobody is supposed to know that Omegon exists. Wearing a massive clue on your armour is just utterly fething stupid when you're supposed to be the experts at covert ops, spying and all other secretive shenanigans.

It's only a clue because we know all the details to the universe as readers of the fluff.

It could be a symbol of the Alpha legion thinking that they are "the beginning and the end", the ultimate response for the Emperor's fury or any other explanation besides "Hidden Primarch" etc etc

Because "O"megon is "A"lpharius' SECRET twin brother that NO ONE outside of the Legion (and possibly the Emperor) knows about?

Yeah, I don't see the big issue. Next you guys will be complaining that there is no point to the Dark Angels and the other Unforgiven chapters continuing their secret quests because everyone knows about the fallen.

I really don't understand how a letter would give that away.

Unless they operate under Goldblum logic in 30k.

If you don't see the point, then you don't see the point!

What a masterful answer.

I do see the point, but you don't seem to recognise that it is only us that know this super secret. The Alpha Legion having an "Omega" behind their "Alpha" could be explained in many ways to any inquiry about its meaning without having to do the old scooby doo pull the sheet off and reveal the carnival owner stuff.

"Oh gak you figured out we have a hidden primarch because we put an Omega on our armour! It couldn't possibly mean anything else!"

The Omegon is unnecessary for the Alpha Legion. It is just superfluous, and has no point being there other than to be a big, ham fisted, pantomime wink.

Exactly.

That isn't hard to figure out.

I thought.

Except that weren't the Alpha (first letter) Legion the last (Omega) to be created and the last Primarch to be found?

Agreed with Warboss, that was my thought process, didn't seem like a clue to me.

Seems like any number of movies that have a surprise twist ending. If you already know the secret, then you can't understand how anyone else can watch the movie and not be able to figure it out before the reveal. But if you don't know the secret, then all the clues mean nothing to you or are easily explained away as something else.

You guys are reeeeaaallllly stretching it to make a weak point.

It is OK to admit that it is gooftastic and move right on.

The video on Horus just made me realize how much I love the model. Everything from the scenic base to the regal pose is just perfect!

Also, am I right in assuming the the Thousand Sons will be in the book after Extermination? As much as I love all these releases I just really want some good TSons armour kits...

 Alpharius wrote:
You guys are reeeeaaallllly stretching it to make a weak point.

It is OK to admit that it is gooftastic and move right on.

I agree. You should just admit that and the thread can move on.


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 Commander Cain wrote:
The video on Horus just made me realize how much I love the model. Everything from the scenic base to the regal pose is just perfect!

Also, am I right in assuming the the Thousand Sons will be in the book after Extermination? As much as I love all these releases I just really want some good TSons armour kits...

There was mention of another SET of books to cover the legions not remotely involved as Istvaan. I assume one would be at Prospero, another at Calth, and the likely third?? Alpha Legion versus Dark Angels? Scars doing whatever it is that they were doing before Terra? Blood Angels on that demon planet whose name I can't recall?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

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What I do hope, however, is that they'll eventually release a book that is just all the rules, army lists, and characters so I only have to carry one book around. As it is now, I have to carry Book I and II when I play.

Can't agree more. I have to say that I would put it even further. One softcover book, without fluff!
I really hate these big heavy books, very UNeasy to read.

Even better would be a collected enhanced eBook!

Are we sure to be getting a good and an evil variant of the Primarchs? I'd love a Horus, but I'd prefer an villainous version.

 azreal13 wrote:
The Omegon is unnecessary for the Alpha Legion. It is just superfluous, and has no point being there other than to be a big, ham fisted, pantomime wink.

And a giant eye isn't necessary for the Sons of Horus.

"oh noes, superflourus!"

Honestly, I can't think of something more lame to be bothered about. Frankly, the logo would have looked dumb if it had just been a naked A.

The inclusion of the Omega could simply have been a big old middle finger at the Ultramarines. After all, Alpharius and Roboute weren't the bestest of buds, and it's not like the Omega and Ultramarines U are all that different.

You'll seeing it wrong! the alpha legionnaire is using an Ultra marine armor and did not completely paint it over

So what do alpha legionnaires say when they get asked about that omega letter? We're Barry White fans?

Seriously? Does an omega painted on their armour automatically make marines think, "hmm, maybe that primatch has a twin"? Is that the most natural thought someone in the 40k universe would think, or would they just think "it's just one of their usual shenanigans". Which situation would be more plausible for them to think?

To suddenly jump to the conclusion that Alpharius has a twin because of one of their insignias is really really really far fetched...

There are a lot of things I think GW deserves gak for, but this isn't one of them. It's really not that stupid.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Are we sure to be getting a good and an evil variant of the Primarchs? I'd love a Horus, but I'd prefer an villainous version.

FW wants to make Primarch variants, especially the evil one, but it will take time ...

 Excessus wrote:
Seriously? Does an omega painted on their armour automatically make marines think, "hmm, maybe that primatch has a twin"? Is that the most natural thought someone in the 40k universe would think, or would they just think "it's just one of their usual shenanigans". Which situation would be more plausible for them to think?

To suddenly jump to the conclusion that Alpharius has a twin because of one of their insignias is really really really far fetched...

The point is that there is no reason for it and it is still a clue. No one will jump to the conclusion of 'oh there is another primarch' but they might wonder why it is there. That wondering wont likely lead to anything but there is the tiniest chance that it could. The Alpha legion are smarter and more paranoid than that, it shouldn't be there.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
What exactly makes the Alpha with the Omega beneath it dumb?

Nobody is supposed to know that Omegon exists. Wearing a massive clue on your armour is just utterly fething stupid when you're supposed to be the experts at covert ops, spying and all other secretive shenanigans.

It's about as stupid as actually physically BRANDING your human covert agents with your legion symbol, I reckon.