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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Honestly are we 100% sure Imperial Knights means Knight Titans and not WFB Imperial Knights???

They generally refer to the Empire Knights as "Knightly Orders" or "Reiksguard Knights" so it's a pretty good guess that it means the Imperial Knights.

40K radio also clarified that it was 40K Knights that they were referring to with that rumour.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Honestly are we 100% sure Imperial Knights means Knight Titans and not WFB Imperial Knights???

Yes, it was in the '40K rumours' section of the show.

They said it was the size of a wraithknight but bulkier and could be taken by all imperial armies.

In a perfect world it would be extremely close in overall scale to the dreamforge model, so I can mix and match parts and add and sexy fw goodies to my dreamforge stuff, but I dont think GW likes me enough to do all that

lol, I sure hope it is accurate, they have been sitting on these guys for nigh-on 20 years, so it almost feels too 'lucky' to finally get them... I thought of WFB Knights as the time of legends books about Sigmar make frequent reference to various units as Imperial Knights, and I remember rumors of Empire right after Dwarves...

Ah well, this is the first bit of GW news in over a year to actually have me interested, so, let's hope the designs are top notch! I am hoping for something that respects the old school a little bit in silhouette if not specific detail.

I'm beginning to fear that my Leviathan might be too big a model to represent a Knight if the rumour regarding it being Dreadknight sized is true.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
lol, I sure hope it is accurate, they have been sitting on these guys for nigh-on 20 years, so it almost feels too 'lucky' to finally get them... I thought of WFB Knights as the time of legends books about Sigmar make frequent reference to various units as Imperial Knights, and I remember rumors of Empire right after Dwarves...

I think the books/lore might refer to them as "Imperial Knights" but the army book goes out of its way to call the basic knights "Knightly Orders"(or "Inner Circle Knights") and the more elite knights get called "Reiksguard Knights".

I will be flustered if Empire get redone right as I'm actually organizing my stuff into a playable army. I would be content if they make Demigryphs an option for Grand Masters, Generals, or Captains though. Bizarre that their brand new mount option is unusable by characters.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm beginning to fear that my Leviathan might be too big a model to represent a Knight if the rumour regarding it being Dreadknight sized is true.

Just have to get another 15mm scaled one

 RiTides wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm beginning to fear that my Leviathan might be too big a model to represent a Knight if the rumour regarding it being Dreadknight sized is true.

Just have to get another 15mm scaled one

They said wraithknight not dreadknight sized. You should be fine with the leviathan.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Honestly are we 100% sure Imperial Knights means Knight Titans and not WFB Imperial Knights???

Firstly, that has been confirmed by 40KRadio.

Secondly, what's a Knight Titan?

Well since the Imperium seems (?) to be getting a Knight (not quite a titan)

does it mean we can start hoping for Bright Stallion again



The wraithknight was ok, but doesn't really scratch that giant robot animal itch

 azreal13 wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Honestly are we 100% sure Imperial Knights means Knight Titans and not WFB Imperial Knights???

Firstly, that has been confirmed by 40KRadio.

Secondly, what's a Knight Titan?

its a titan a little smaller then a warhound!

 azreal13 wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Honestly are we 100% sure Imperial Knights means Knight Titans and not WFB Imperial Knights???

Firstly, that has been confirmed by 40KRadio.

Secondly, what's a Knight Titan?

Sorry, didn't know I had to take unconfirmed rumors as 'confirmed/fact' if they come from 40kRadio! Although, in all fairness, they have a pretty good track record of late, good for Kyle and Rick!

I believe the Knights were referred to as Knight Titans in the old 2nd ed days? They were epic only and released along with Adeptus Titanicus if I am recalling, so they were 'knight class titans' at the time... Could be wrong though I am relatively confident that was the case.


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Just took a look, they were referred to as 1-man titans at a certain point.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry, didn't know I had to take unconfirmed rumors as 'confirmed/fact' if they come from 40kRadio! Although, in all fairness, they have a pretty good track record of late, good for Kyle and Rick!

He means that 40k radio confirmed that they meant 40k knights when they said Imperial Knights, not that this is a fact yet.

Ah, misunderstood then sorry about that, regardless, confirmed by 40k in the sense I thought he meant holds a bit of weight all the same given their recent track-record!

I can kind of believe this. Having read through several old White Dwarfs I've always dug Imperial Knights, and they really seem to be an aspect of the Imperium that has been largely ignored since the days of Adeptus Titanicus/ Space Marine/ Epic, which is why I found it amusing to see mention of them in the recent Apocalypse book!

 pretre wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry, didn't know I had to take unconfirmed rumors as 'confirmed/fact' if they come from 40kRadio! Although, in all fairness, they have a pretty good track record of late, good for Kyle and Rick!

He means that 40k radio confirmed that they meant 40k knights when they said Imperial Knights, not that this is a fact yet.

This.

The first post ITT was me asking the same thing, the question was asked by someone else on their FB page and the response was to confirm it was intended as a 40K rumour.

As for the other thing, Knights have always been just that, 'Titan' is superfluous, inaccurate and unnecessary. While describing them as Titan-like is obviously pretty logical, it isn't what they are.

Done channelling other user's consciousnesses now!

The Knight is the step between walkers and titans really, with a bit of group A and a bit of group B.

Lion 275 on Warseer wrote:
IG will be in April. March will focus soley on the Imperial Knights. Followed by Wood Elves in May...

It sounds like Imperial Knights will be a Dataslate or a mini codex. I bet you see it in the WD then have it come out in Dataslate/mini dex. From what we were told it will not be in the IG codex and will be able to ally with various armies.

IG is getting a new name with their new codex a la SoB. According to 40K Radio's source, they'll be renamed to the Astra Militarium.

Yup a brand new name. The book is called Astra Militarium.
I am just going by what our source has told us. Could be a legal issue, could be they are incorporating more things into the Codex. Time will tell.

And I want to re-iterate Knight ARE NOT part of Astra Militarium (IG).

Yeaaah. Gonna go ahead and call the AM thing now. Not happening.

I dunno.

Imperial Guard is very weak, from a protection point of view, it exists in fact, and is a thing in other fictional universes I'm sure.

I can see the logic, but then, why wasn't Codex SM Codex:Adeptus Astartes, as we are all painfully aware of how weak Space Marines is from a legal standpoint.

I love watching one out there rumor turn into all these pile-ons as people 'confirm' it and add details.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

I believe the Knights were referred to as Knight Titans in the old 2nd ed days? They were epic only and released along with Adeptus Titanicus if I am recalling, so they were 'knight class titans' at the time... Could be wrong though I am relatively confident that was the case.

They were referred to as "Knight suits" - the phrase "Knight Titan" has never ever been used officially:

http://i.imgur.com/eIFfuoy.jpg

 MajorTom11 wrote:
lol, I sure hope it is accurate, they have been sitting on these guys for nigh-on 20 years, so it almost feels too 'lucky' to finally get them... I thought of WFB Knights as the time of legends books about Sigmar make frequent reference to various units as Imperial Knights, and I remember rumors of Empire right after Dwarves...

Don't worry, as a fantsey player who plays Empire and read thows books too, i thought at 1st were were talking about empire knights.

I'm no specialist of legal things, but trademark status of space marines seems relatively safe, at least in wargaming / miniatures realm. While Imperial Guard is completely a thing rooted in public domain. For instance, look at historic ranges : Imperial Guard mostly refers to the Napoleonic Guard. There is no way to protect such a name as a trademark in wargaming / miniatures industry.


What surprises me is absence of use of well recognised "adeptus" word in this new name for IG. Adeptus Militarium would have sounded great !

 Ravajaxe wrote:
I'm no specialist of legal things, but trademark status of space marines seems relatively safe, at least in wargaming / miniatures realm. While Imperial Guard is completely a thing rooted in public domain. For instance, look at historic ranges : Imperial Guard mostly refers to the Napoleonic Guard. There is no way to protect such a name as a trademark in wargaming / miniatures industry.


What surprises me is absence of use of well recognised "adeptus" word in this new name for IG. Adeptus Militarium would have sounded great !

Within miniatures, yes, Space Marine is probably a more protectable term, but then remember GW also produce books, and may have designs on moving into other sectors (or, a company looking to acquire GW may have those designs)

Astartes has none of the issues and is well enough grounded in the fluff that it probably wouldn't generate too much uproar in the community (like they'd care)

Ah, it's all moot as its nonsense anyway, but its fun to speculate. ( For the record, I think Militarium is a bonk name and reminds me of some sort of specialist animal enclosure)

 Ravajaxe wrote:
I'm no specialist of legal things, but trademark status of space marines seems relatively safe, at least in wargaming / miniatures realm. While Imperial Guard is completely a thing rooted in public domain. For instance, look at historic ranges : Imperial Guard mostly refers to the Napoleonic Guard. There is no way to protect such a name as a trademark in wargaming / miniatures industry.


What surprises me is absence of use of well recognised "adeptus" word in this new name for IG. Adeptus Militarium would have sounded great !

I don't know TSR managed to Trademark Nazis in the Indinana Jones RPG back in the early 80's

In a world in which 'candy" is trademarked by Candycrush, ANYthing is possible.

 azreal13 wrote:
I can see the logic, but then, why wasn't Codex SM Codex:Adeptus Astartes, as we are all painfully aware of how weak Space Marines is from a legal standpoint.

And why wasn't the Sisters of Battle renamed 'Adepta Sororitas' with their latest digital Codex(ish)?

Oh, wait...

 tomjoad wrote:
In a world in which 'candy" is trademarked by Candycrush, ANYthing is possible.

They're trying to trademark the word "saga", too.

http://penny-arcade.com/comic

azreal13 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Sorry, didn't know I had to take unconfirmed rumors as 'confirmed/fact' if they come from 40kRadio! Although, in all fairness, they have a pretty good track record of late, good for Kyle and Rick!

He means that 40k radio confirmed that they meant 40k knights when they said Imperial Knights, not that this is a fact yet.

This.

The first post ITT was me asking the same thing, the question was asked by someone else on their FB page and the response was to confirm it was intended as a 40K rumour.

As for the other thing, Knights have always been just that, 'Titan' is superfluous, inaccurate and unnecessary. While describing them as Titan-like is obviously pretty logical, it isn't what they are.

Done channelling other user's consciousnesses now!

xttz wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

I believe the Knights were referred to as Knight Titans in the old 2nd ed days? They were epic only and released along with Adeptus Titanicus if I am recalling, so they were 'knight class titans' at the time... Could be wrong though I am relatively confident that was the case.

They were referred to as "Knight suits" - the phrase "Knight Titan" has never ever been used officially:

http://i.imgur.com/eIFfuoy.jpg

Don't know it would get anyone hot and bothered at the idea that these things were, at some point, considered a subcategory of scout class titans -

Titan Legions (2nd Edition), pp. 27-30, 54
White Dwarf 182 (UK), " 'Eavy Metal: Forces of the Imperium," pg. 38; "Titan Legions: Knight Households," pp. 39-40
White Dwarf 180 (UK), " 'Eavy Metal: Imperial Knights", pg. 26
White Dwarf 178 (UK), "The Titan Legions," by Rick Priestly, pp. 43-50
White Dwarf 126 (UK), "Knights: Eldar & Human War Machines" by Andy Chambers, pp. 28-45

They were officially called titans, there are your references, feel free to look em up.

They may totally end up retconning that right out of existence, or they may have already, I just remember they USED to be called Knight Titans, lol don't shoot the messenger here, you can call them whatever you like it doesn't bother me!