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I've been thinking of converting some of my old Chaos Space Marines into world eaters, but considering their background as blood crazed maniacs, would there be any point in including tanks? Some WE armies I've been looking at have predators and havocs in their ranks.

I buy the idea of pre-heresy WE being a sophisticated, tactically adept Space Marine Legion using all means at its disposal, but post-heresy?

I can understand the use of terminators, daemons, rhinos and landraiders charging forward to get the men inside close to the enemy, and I could buy the idea of daemonic vehicle possession firing the rhinos/land raiders weapons etc

Anyway, what do other people think, and what units should I restrict myself to If want to build a 'pure' WE force?

Thanks.

I think it depends on who is leading them and the level of crazy they are. The World Eater legion has fragmented so their could be World Eaters war bands that are a little more sound of mind than others or could have a leader that can keep the impulses of his troops in check.

Keep in mind 40k fluff is contradictory. There is some fluff explaining how Zerkers had gun toters that were iconic for bringing auto cannons to kill enemies from range and surpress the enemy for the charge, then there is pre-heresy where they were already insane and would fire tons of artillery sending in recruits to slaughter the enemy, and then you have the stereotypical everybody charge in for close combat!

On a side note, its best to go for a khornate army with shooting. Personally I think I am planning on building an army of 30-40 Zerkers, 10 CSM with mark of Khorne, bolters, and ccw (its overpriced honestly but this is really for fun), 30 cultists, 1 unit of 2 obliterators, 2 units of autocannon toting Havocs, 2 full units of bikers, 1 full unit of spawn, one full unit of terminators, one juggerlord, and then either a terminator lord or biker lord, Huron (proxied and pretending to be Khorne)

Pre heresy I interpret them as having sound planning, but it all being abandoned once the battle is engaged, with a few less crazy legionaries like Kharn trying to hold it together.

Vulgar wrote:
Pre heresy I interpret them as having sound planning, but it all being abandoned once the battle is engaged, with a few less crazy legionaries like Kharn trying to hold it together.

I find it ironic that pre-heresy Khan was considered a sensible leader!


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 StarTrotter wrote:
Keep in mind 40k fluff is contradictory. There is some fluff explaining how Zerkers had gun toters that were iconic for bringing auto cannons to kill enemies from range and surpress the enemy for the charge, then there is pre-heresy where they were already insane and would fire tons of artillery sending in recruits to slaughter the enemy, and then you have the stereotypical everybody charge in for close combat!

On a side note, its best to go for a khornate army with shooting. Personally I think I am planning on building an army of 30-40 Zerkers, 10 CSM with mark of Khorne, bolters, and ccw (its overpriced honestly but this is really for fun), 30 cultists, 1 unit of 2 obliterators, 2 units of autocannon toting Havocs, 2 full units of bikers, 1 full unit of spawn, one full unit of terminators, one juggerlord, and then either a terminator lord or biker lord, Huron (proxied and pretending to be Khorne)

I forgot all about the cultists. I suppose you could leave the shooting to them. I'm stealing that idea from you.


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Alpha 1 wrote:
I think it depends on who is leading them and the level of crazy they are. The World Eater legion has fragmented so their could be World Eaters war bands that are a little more sound of mind than others or could have a leader that can keep the impulses of his troops in check.

Such a leader would probably not last long!

When I was looking into doing my own world eaters style army back in 3rd/4th I was planning on running possessed predators (Khornate daemons can just as easily possess vehicles and predators are vehicles like any other)

Of course, technically they'd just slide out if the warp wherever and do their own thing, not really being part of the warband, they just happen to follow his particular group around because they pleased Khorne

A Predator is far more killy than a Rhino is, if they can find taxi drivers for Rhinos they can certainly find crews for Predators.

Khorne can't be that anti-shooting, or else Berzerkers wouldn't carry a pistol as standard.

Khorne Lord Zhufor in Siege of Vraks is very much Khornate but is still a very intelligent leader and has excellent control over his men, despite their(and his) urge to do nothing but get stuck in. So, Khornate armies that use real, normal tactics are definitely still around.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
Khorne Lord Zhufor in Siege of Vraks is very much Khornate but is still a very intelligent leader and has excellent control over his men, despite their(and his) urge to do nothing but get stuck in. So, Khornate armies that use real, normal tactics are definitely still around.

He's also quite a good character point for point, and his updated rules can be found on Forgeworld's website here http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/c/Characters.pdf I think he's also in the new IA: Apocalypse, but I don't think there are any changes from the version on their site.

Cares not from where the blood flows.. Kinda answers the question of khorne shooting, as to world eaters tactics, from.what the hh books say and the fw ones it seems that world eaters tactical planning was actually quite good, but sadly when.they actually.engaged the nails would take over and they would just attack whatever was in reach

There are Khorne possessed titans and both Khorne chariots (some of them, at least) and Khorne's lord of war have artillery cannons.

Despite this, Khorne has explicitly shielded some of his units from "cowardly" ranged attacks.

One needs to keep in mind that the chaos gods themselves are sometimes as contradictory as the fluff. This is possibly done on purpose, since they are always described as "fickle" and they are CHAOS gods, after all.

For the most part, I'm pretty sure Khorne is mainly only against ranged attacks if you're using them to cowardly AVOID close combat (which is why he only gives range protection to close combat units, I think). Range vs range, range vs flying, or range vs defensive structures is probably okay with him.