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Could they? I am referring to the setting of WHFB-- the planet on which fantasy is set.

Conditions--

It's a regular, at strength Battle Company with around 100 marines not counting officers.

Captain
Codiecer Librarian
Chaplain
1 Dreadnought
2 Tech Marines
20 Assault Marines
60 Tactical Marines
20 Devestator Marines


1 Strike Cruiser which can shuttle down supplies, but can't bombard from above

3 Thunderhawks
10 Rhinos
2 Predators
1 Land Raider

Against the entire Warhammer World. I know that smaller groups of Marines have conquered larger areas but I don't think they could pull this one off. The winds of Magic are too strong and a competent wizard could probably somehow kill a Space Marine. Virtually all the rest of the world would be powerless to stop them but I think there are enough magic users in the Fantasy planet to attrite the Space Marine Force away to nothing

This assumes that the human factions fight against the Marines, instead of joining them in the imperial cult.

The sheer levels of Orc infestation, and the massive flow of Chaos forces would turn the whole world into a much larger battle than one Company could handle.

Especially considering that Chaos Champions of Fantasy can get 40K-grade gear (bolters, lascannons, etc.) as Gifts of Chaos, for which they never need worry about ammunition or training.

Definitely 'no': daemons exist in the warhammer world in the same way they do in 40K, and in large numbers. Even discounting the other factions on the warhammer world, the daemons would give the marines a run for their money/eat them all on their own.

No. They couldn't. They would never even be able to get there, unless they suddenly recieve the power to travel to different imaginary universes entirely.

No.

Skaven, Daemons, magic.. Well, yeah. You get it.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
No. They couldn't. They would never even be able to get there, unless they suddenly recieve the power to travel to different imaginary universes entirely.

Dude... read posts.
also, you realise that 40k and WHFB have been confirmed to be in the same universe, right?
there was a thingy over on BOLS.


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no. 1 company, no. a fully decked out terminator company would just wade through everything, leaving rainbow-coloured gak everywhere. but a normal one would get killed pretty quick, probably just drown in goblins/orks.

" but can't bombard from above "

Nope.

Absolutely not. Magic is still a thing and the number of high level mages in WHFB is more than enough to destroy a company. Furthermore WHFB Orcs really aren't much weaker than 40k Orks and there are thousands/millions of them, not to mention undead and all manner of other beasts.

They'd lose. Let's not forget the Slann would tear them asunder long before they got in weapons range. That's just a few overgrown toads, we aren't even factoring in the epic amounts of daemons, orcs, mages, giant freakish creatures, etc.

A single company? Maybe not. A single company as part of a crusade fleet consisting of millions of additional guardsmen and support vehicles? Probably. Several chapters +, definitely.

It wouldn't be any different from the pacification of SIxty-Three Nineteen except even more of a pushover.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
No. They couldn't. They would never even be able to get there, unless they suddenly recieve the power to travel to different imaginary universes entirely.

Dude... read posts.
also, you realise that 40k and WHFB have been confirmed to be in the same universe, right?
there was a thingy over on BOLS.


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no. 1 company, no. a fully decked out terminator company would just wade through everything, leaving rainbow-coloured gak everywhere. but a normal one would get killed pretty quick, probably just drown in goblins/orks.

Actually, the bolded part isn't true. Once upon a time it was, sort of, but over the past, oh, decade or so, GW has been taking steps to ensure that they are as separate as possible. There are a few nods to the other product lines in a few scattered sources, but the Old World is not a planet trapped in a Warp Storm, it is not an alt-history Terra (it has 2 moons, after all), it's not... anything, anything at all, in the 40K universe.

I remember when power fists and a power sword and power armor were briefly available as wargear in the Fantasy world. And there all the theories about Sigmar being a lost Primarch, which are interesting. I don't really know why the company feels it's such a requirement that the two worlds be completely separate, but whatever.

I agree with the above, I don't think that it would be possible for a single company to take the planet. I don't think even a trick company like the Deathwing or Ravenwing could do it, although they would make a bigger dent.

I do imagine that a single company could probably squash the Empire though-- which is interesting that the plurarilty of other powers have not done so.

I think the biggest problem would be Slann mind-shanking you from deep space, then Greater Deamons just doing their usual, then the big bag psychic stuff like Teclis and Nagash just ruining your whole day. But there would be a few lopsided battles like Bretonnia Vs. Tactical Squad 2a.

I think a brotherhood of Grey Knights is the minimum force that could pacify the world. Terminator armor is pretty tough to crack in terms of the weapons available on the Warhammer planet. And they don't lay down and die to psychic onslaught nearly as quickly as other marines. I imagine that their own Psychic power would be boosted by th Polar gates as well.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
a fully decked out terminator company would just wade through everything,

Until they meet a mage with the right spells... Lore of Metal, for example. Have fun being wounded on 2+ with no armor saves allowed.

If it hadn't been a world filled with magic, Daemons, feral Orks and so on... Sure.

Know No Fear C3 p40 wrote:To take a town, send a legionary. To take a city, send a squad. To take a world, send a company. To take a culture, send a Chapter.

But as it is, no. Normal infantry would be steamrolled but once the monster & magicspam begins the going gets tough.

honestly given the nature of the WFB world, would the Imperium even TRY to conquer it? or would they just scream "TAINTED!" and hit it with extermintus?

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly given the nature of the WFB world, would the Imperium even TRY to conquer it? or would they just scream "TAINTED!" and hit it with extermintus?

Exterminatus without a doubt.

Too many Daemons.

A lone company wouldn't be enough to take out even a single faction from WHFB, let alone the entire world.

Take away Magic and they'd still get stomped. Once they run out of ammo and become surrounded it's game over.

Now, a Chapter is more like it. They'd still be hopelessly outnumbered and would eventually be ground down into dust, but they'd certainly leave a lasting impression and one or two permanent scars on the balance of the world.

 Anfauglir wrote:
A lone company wouldn't be enough to take out even a single faction from WHFB, let alone the entire world.

Take away Magic and they'd still get stomped. Once they run out of ammo and become surrounded it's game over.

Now, a Chapter is more like it. They'd still be hopelessly outnumbered and would eventually be ground down into dust, but they'd certainly leave a lasting impression and one or two permanent scars on the balance of the world.

once they run out iof ammo they'd just switch to chainswords and butcher people by hand.

Don't agree. I assume a strike cruiser carries enough ammo to last for a campaign and can probably produce more, since they go on extended, decade long campaigns in them without returning to the Fortress Monastery.

There are at least a couple factions that the company could take down. Brets, Wood Elves, and Dwarves would all get wasted pretty easily. Brets have nothing to really touch power armor, much less any terminator armor. Bolters are going to penetrate virtually any armor in the warhammer world. I mean look how much damage a bolt thrower or cannon does in WFB then compare that to the rate of fire, accuracy, and penetrative ability of a bolter.

Dwarves and to a lesser extent Skaven are just flamer bait. They are localized in their holds and have no weapons to resist close assault from the Marines. The only reliable marine killer on the planet is magic, and the Dwarves are basically squibs there. Unalloyed cast iron isn't going to hold up to a bolt shell, or a chainsword, or even just an ass-beating passed out open handed from a tactical marine.

Basically in game terms a marine would be as tough as an orgre, encased in armor impervious to anything but magical weapons, carrying a gun as his longarm that is more deadly than the most sophisticated cannon existant anywhere on the surface of that planet, backed up by a combat knife with metallurgy so advanced it might as well be an AP2 power weapon against the crude armor available to even the dwarves.

I don't think that one company could do it, as I have said, but I think it would be much closer than people are thinking. Plus, assume we aren't dealing with complete idiots here-- Marines arrive and can lead a coalition of all the forces of order against the Chaos taint, then the orcs. Bolstered by the marines the balance of power would be disrupted and the forces of disorder would be wiped out. Then one by one pick off the other questionable factions. Skaven. Dark Elves. Vampires. Orgres. By now the forces or order, although victorious, are heavily depleted. They return in triumph to their home kingdoms.

The marines could leave then-- a reasonable chapter might achieve such limited objectives and succeed. The world would be pacified although not brought to the imperial truth. I imagine the humans would convert over though. A more xenophobic chapter would try to wipe out the dwarves, lizzies, and high elves. Dwarves would be a cake walk, and high elves would be manageable if Teclis comes down with a bad case of D-weapon poisoning from a thunder-hawk drive by. And lore of metal doesn't do anything to power armor since 1, it's not a metal and 2 in the case of terminator armor it's not any type of metal the lore of which is known on that planet.

I don't think they would be able to pull it off, but I don't think it is impossible. That is to say I don't feel the odds are as grim as people indicate.

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BrianDavion wrote:
once they run out iof ammo they'd just switch to chainswords and butcher people by hand.

Which would work just fine for the first few waves... until the Marines tire. What? You didn't think they were immune to fatigue, did you? Here's another way to put it into perspective for you; even if the inhabitants of the Warhammer World formed an orderly queue for the Astartes to pacify them one by one... a mere hundred would still die of fatigue before they'd made a notable dent.

Forget the mages, deamons, and Skaven.

The Orcs alone would be enough to stop them.
Without guns: A hell of a lot of boys and gretchin archers who in total could balance out the lack of "sluggas".

And sooner or later, if this scenario allows, the orcs could eventually orcify the new technology given they believe in themselves enough. Thus Orkz are born.

How does a gretchin archer kill something in power armor?

And WFB have no meks that I'm aware of, so looting is a non-starter.



Edit-- also why does everyone say Skaven? I'm not super familiar with their background but it doesn't seem like they would be hard at all for the KILL IT WITH FIRE marines.

Lol, doesn't matter how much armour you put on it, a million Orcs whacking it with clubs will beat it to death eventually.

Orcs solo the marines. Daemons could solo the marines. Anything with sufficient mass and numbers or magic could do it.

I agree that Dwarves might be screwed though. Humans and Elves without magic too, with magic, dunno. I see the civilized races as fighting them a few times, getting massacred, and whimping out - meanwhile Orcs and Daemons at least would just keep on trucking until they took them down

Thats why above I laid down the plan a reasonable chapter would follow, which involves using the forces of order to pin the demons and orcs in position, then doing assassination strikes on the Nobs/Warbosses (classic SM ork maintenance strategy) and mortal champions of Chaos. I'd like to see the Everchosen get back up after getting prolapsed by 3 laser destroyer hits. In WFB the demons are beholden to the mortal champions of chaos so the marine MO of decapitation strikes is more viable than it is against 40k deamons.

They die. WHF has Chaos, coupled with Orcs (not to mention the Black Orcs). There's just too many races that would cause mass casualties to pretty much anyone without orbital support. WHF would need a crusade of several Chapters to bring it into compliance, if not simply blow it to bits.

But Chaos, Slann, and Orks coupled with the Elves and Vampires, along with the Tomb Kings? They'll need numerous orbital assets and a full scale invasion by multiple Chapters and Guard support.

Especially if the Slann decide that the Space Marines 'don't fit into the vision of their world' and suddenly continents move.

You said at the start that "This assumes that the human factions fight against the Marines, instead of joining them in the imperial cult." but now suddenly they're "using the forces of order to pin the demons and orcs in position"

If you want it to be Space Marines vs Fantasy its gotta be Space Marines vs Fantasy. Not "Space Marines wait for fantasy armies to kill each other and then stomp whats left"

 Silverthorne wrote:
How does a gretchin archer kill something in power armor?

And WFB have no meks that I'm aware of, so looting is a non-starter.



Edit-- also why does everyone say Skaven? I'm not super familiar with their background but it doesn't seem like they would be hard at all for the KILL IT WITH FIRE marines.

I'm no expert, and strike me if wrong, but skaven aren't jokes. For starters, the population is so large it would make an ork blush in jealousy. The number of skaven is ruthlessly kept secret. Along with that, they have quite a bit of warpstone and magic to their hands with a dreaded council of 13 mighty skaven heavily seeped in the magics.

 Dakkamite wrote:
You said at the start that "This assumes that the human factions fight against the Marines, instead of joining them in the imperial cult." but now suddenly they're "using the forces of order to pin the demons and orcs in position"

If you want it to be Space Marines vs Fantasy its gotta be Space Marines vs Fantasy. Not "Space Marines wait for fantasy armies to kill each other and then stomp whats left"

Really? Why exactly is that? Once there was unanimous agreement (including me) that no company could could solo the planet I posted again, considering what would happen if they marines were more circumspect. Otherwise it would just degenerate into a bunch of OMG NOs for how ever many pages. Not very interesting.

And Space Marines manipulate internal divisions on a planet to divide and conquer is still space marines vs. fantasy.

Not quite. It's Space Marines + High Elves + Dwarves + Bretons + Wood Elves (maybe) + the Empire + maybe Slann v.s. Vampire, Undead, Slann?, Orks, Beastmen, Ogres, Chaos Daemons, Warriors of Chaos, and Chaos Daemons. Also it implies allying with High Elves and Wood Elves that might be familiar as Eldar (that they might just think are more dark eldar). And to be honest, at this point it would really mainly be just Fantasy vs Fantasy with 100 or so marines running around to help.

Also at this point I pause and say, if SM could get here, why wouldn't chaos daemons just become more 40k like as well? But that's more of just a curiosity at it all.