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SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

Do you mean Alf and Ogie coming to blows, because I can totally see that happening with them being ying and yang. Perhaps they had a fight, one killed the other, and the weakened victor went to face the surf. The legion found out what had happened and threw their battle doctrine aside to throw themselves upon the Ultras in a fit of revenge?

What's that tatoo on my neck? Oh that's nothing, nothing at all. Now stop asking so many questions.

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

I'm sure if Alpharius had killed Roboute the Ultramarines there would have seen it xD
And, why would you even need Alpharius to take Roboute's place? Use a normal marine and implant him with Roboute's memories, as they did with a lot of the Raven Guard on Istavaan V.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

I'm sure if Alpharius had killed Roboute the Ultramarines there would have seen it xD
And, why would you even need Alpharius to take Roboute's place? Use a normal marine and implant him with Roboute's memories, as they did with a lot of the Raven Guard on Istavaan V.

I've always thought that seeing as the Ultramarines were never too sure, there may have not been around at the time. Also there was a massive counter attack just after he was defeated. Also Roboute was a Primarch, you'd probably need a Primarch to imitate one.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

I'm sure if Alpharius had killed Roboute the Ultramarines there would have seen it xD
And, why would you even need Alpharius to take Roboute's place? Use a normal marine and implant him with Roboute's memories, as they did with a lot of the Raven Guard on Istavaan V.

I've always thought that seeing as the Ultramarines were never too sure, there may have not been around at the time. Also there was a massive counter attack just after he was defeated. Also Roboute was a Primarch, you'd probably need a Primarch to imitate one.

Why would you need another Primarch to imitate one? If the Imperium can make super-soldiers I'm sure the Alpha Legion can make a bloke look taller.
And, why would there have been such a massive counter-attack (which threw away all of the base principles of the AL) to avenge someone who didn't die? Also, what sort of Legion loses sight of their Primarch when they're duelling another Primarch?

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

I'm sure if Alpharius had killed Roboute the Ultramarines there would have seen it xD
And, why would you even need Alpharius to take Roboute's place? Use a normal marine and implant him with Roboute's memories, as they did with a lot of the Raven Guard on Istavaan V.

I've always thought that seeing as the Ultramarines were never too sure, there may have not been around at the time. Also there was a massive counter attack just after he was defeated. Also Roboute was a Primarch, you'd probably need a Primarch to imitate one.

Why would you need another Primarch to imitate one? If the Imperium can make super-soldiers I'm sure the Alpha Legion can make a bloke look taller.
And, why would there have been such a massive counter-attack (which threw away all of the base principles of the AL) to avenge someone who didn't die? Also, what sort of Legion loses sight of their Primarch when they're duelling another Primarch?

Well the fluff does say that the Alpha Legion were able to defeat the Ultramarines even after the apparent death of their leader. And it is exactly along the lines of what they would do.

Also, space marines would have a hard time keeping up with their Primarch, maybe he got too far in front of his army, or Alpharius led him away from the battle.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

I'm sure if Alpharius had killed Roboute the Ultramarines there would have seen it xD
And, why would you even need Alpharius to take Roboute's place? Use a normal marine and implant him with Roboute's memories, as they did with a lot of the Raven Guard on Istavaan V.

I've always thought that seeing as the Ultramarines were never too sure, there may have not been around at the time. Also there was a massive counter attack just after he was defeated. Also Roboute was a Primarch, you'd probably need a Primarch to imitate one.

Why would you need another Primarch to imitate one? If the Imperium can make super-soldiers I'm sure the Alpha Legion can make a bloke look taller.
And, why would there have been such a massive counter-attack (which threw away all of the base principles of the AL) to avenge someone who didn't die? Also, what sort of Legion loses sight of their Primarch when they're duelling another Primarch?

Well the fluff does say that the Alpha Legion were able to defeat the Ultramarines even after the apparent death of their leader. And it is exactly along the lines of what they would do.

Also, space marines would have a hard time keeping up with their Primarch, maybe he got too far in front of his army, or Alpharius led him away from the battle.

When I think of the death of Alpharius with the Alpha Legion I tend to associate it with the death of an Ethereal with the Tau.
Before death of Ethereal: Place every shot, aim for the head
After death of Ethereal: KILL AS MANY OF THEM AS WE CAN, EXPEND ALL AMMO IN DEFEATING THIS ABOMINATION TO THE GREATER GOOD!

Before death of Alpharius: Ambush, kill quietly, make them pay for every foot they gain.
After death of Alpharius: ATTACK! MURDER THE SCUM, THEY SHALL PAY FOR KILLING OUR PRIMARCH!

Think of it this way: If you were a Catholic and someone killed the Pope you'd want to kill the son of a gun, wouldn't you?

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:I actually prefer to think of the Alpha Legion as split. We're told Omegon was killed at the hands of Guilliman, I think it was, but considering how into cloning they were, there's a good chance it was a body double.

I like to think Alpharius' side is the good guy side while Omegon's side is trying to destroy the Imperium. A split from within.

In the old IA article, Rouboute thinks he killed Alpharius - but we're clearly meant to believe he did no such thing...

BUT, the old IA article's status is up in the air now, because back then, Alpharius didn't even have a twin - yet!

I do think that we'll be getting the LITERAL BROTHER VS. BROTHER BATTLE with the Legion though...

IIRC an Alpha Legion battle-brother could drink the blood of Alpharius and essentially become him for a short period of time, so it could have easily been one of these nutters or a body double.

Or Alpharius could have killed Rouboute and taken his place, thus spreading rumours of his own demise.

I'm sure if Alpharius had killed Roboute the Ultramarines there would have seen it xD
And, why would you even need Alpharius to take Roboute's place? Use a normal marine and implant him with Roboute's memories, as they did with a lot of the Raven Guard on Istavaan V.

I've always thought that seeing as the Ultramarines were never too sure, there may have not been around at the time. Also there was a massive counter attack just after he was defeated. Also Roboute was a Primarch, you'd probably need a Primarch to imitate one.

Why would you need another Primarch to imitate one? If the Imperium can make super-soldiers I'm sure the Alpha Legion can make a bloke look taller.
And, why would there have been such a massive counter-attack (which threw away all of the base principles of the AL) to avenge someone who didn't die? Also, what sort of Legion loses sight of their Primarch when they're duelling another Primarch?

Well the fluff does say that the Alpha Legion were able to defeat the Ultramarines even after the apparent death of their leader. And it is exactly along the lines of what they would do.

Also, space marines would have a hard time keeping up with their Primarch, maybe he got too far in front of his army, or Alpharius led him away from the battle.

When I think of the death of Alpharius with the Alpha Legion I tend to associate it with the death of an Ethereal with the Tau.
Before death of Ethereal: Place every shot, aim for the head
After death of Ethereal: KILL AS MANY OF THEM AS WE CAN, EXPEND ALL AMMO IN DEFEATING THIS ABOMINATION TO THE GREATER GOOD!

Before death of Alpharius: Ambush, kill quietly, make them pay for every foot they gain.
After death of Alpharius: ATTACK! MURDER THE SCUM, THEY SHALL PAY FOR KILLING OUR PRIMARCH!

Think of it this way: If you were a Catholic and someone killed the Pope you'd want to kill the son of a gun, wouldn't you?

If I was a religious sort, I probably would. But gun rushing the Ultramarines is probably a good way to die. I imagine they had some plan behind it. Although I could be completely wrong, but over complicated several thousand year long plans to undermind the Imperium is exactly what they do best.

Plotting the destruction of cancerous cells isn't seen as evil. That's essentially how the Cabal sees humanity, thus the Legion working to wipe out the cancer that is Chaos by destroying the cells that carry it(humanity) isn't necessarily evil by any definition.

It's not like a single species is actually important to the existence of a galaxy. Except Tyranids, of course.

Caring about humanity is the definition of morality, unless your part of peta and are going to suggest that my burger is a person with the same rights as me. In that case I'll make you an offer, a televised mass suicide of peta and then I give up meat sense the rights of the burger are so important.

Except Tyranids, of course.

Yes the Alpha Legion making the galaxy safe for orks, the role obviously intended for them.

destruction of cancerous cells isn't seen as evil. That's essentially how the Cabal sees humanity

I wonder if your even capable of understanding logic, don't you get it without humanity who the feth cares, actually if humanities doomed then I say we might as well take everyone else down with us.

The Emperor is clearly a deviant mutant psyker, it was good that Horus tried to destroy this abomination!


Yes the alpha legion are traitors to the emperor as well as to chaos!

Ironclad Warlord wrote:

Plotting the destruction of cancerous cells isn't seen as evil. That's essentially how the Cabal sees humanity, thus the Legion working to wipe out the cancer that is Chaos by destroying the cells that carry it(humanity) isn't necessarily evil by any definition.

It's not like a single species is actually important to the existence of a galaxy. Except Tyranids, of course.

Caring about humanity is the definition of morality, unless your part of peta and are going to suggest that my burger is a person with the same rights as me. In that case I'll make you an offer, a televised mass suicide of peta and then I give up meat sense the rights of the burger are so important.

Except Tyranids, of course.

Yes the Alpha Legion making the galaxy safe for orks, the role obviously intended for them.

destruction of cancerous cells isn't seen as evil. That's essentially how the Cabal sees humanity

I wonder if your even capable of understanding logic, don't you get it without humanity who the feth cares, actually if humanities doomed then I say we might as well take everyone else down with us.

I'd bet the Eldar would care? I don't think the Alpha Legion would care what the Eldar care about but I'm just saying

jakejackjake wrote:

Ironclad Warlord wrote:

Plotting the destruction of cancerous cells isn't seen as evil. That's essentially how the Cabal sees humanity, thus the Legion working to wipe out the cancer that is Chaos by destroying the cells that carry it(humanity) isn't necessarily evil by any definition.

It's not like a single species is actually important to the existence of a galaxy. Except Tyranids, of course.

Caring about humanity is the definition of morality, unless your part of peta and are going to suggest that my burger is a person with the same rights as me. In that case I'll make you an offer, a televised mass suicide of peta and then I give up meat sense the rights of the burger are so important.

Except Tyranids, of course.

Yes the Alpha Legion making the galaxy safe for orks, the role obviously intended for them.

destruction of cancerous cells isn't seen as evil. That's essentially how the Cabal sees humanity

I wonder if your even capable of understanding logic, don't you get it without humanity who the feth cares, actually if humanities doomed then I say we might as well take everyone else down with us.

I'd bet the Eldar would care? I don't think the Alpha Legion would care what the Eldar care about but I'm just saying

that's kinda the point though, they're selling out their entire race to the benifit of others. that's pretty much the best definition of treason I can think of

Man, that was a really massive quote train. Just saying, guys, it's okay to trim it down before posting, or to just not quote. People will know who you're talking to.

Anyway, there's a reason me and the guys at my FLGS have made, "Because... Alpha Legion!" a joke amongst us. It's pervaded into the Magic: The Gathering players who are always asking us what we're playing that we've gotten interestedin 40k lore, even.

It's a shame their color scheme is so horrible, because I like the fluff. The sea-green on turquoise is just not an appealing color, though. Also free-handing the scales on shoulderpads is just more effort than I want to put into my models en masse.

The Alpha Legion started out great in LEGION, and then ever since then, they've been watered down until they're pretty much the HH Bogey Man now.

 SRSFACE wrote:

It's a shame their color scheme is so horrible, because I like the fluff. The sea-green on turquoise is just not an appealing color, though. Also free-handing the scales on shoulderpads is just more effort than I want to put into my models en masse.

WTF?!?

Not sure if serious!

This color scheme rocks!



However, seeing as GW/BL keep changing it, just go with something close.

Blue and Green together = Awesome.