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Do you allow this during gameplay?

Obviously, a model's entire base (or footprint in the case of a vehicle) has to be contained within the playing area, but what if a portion of the model's upper body is hanging off the edge of the board? ie. a monster's wings poking off the side of the board, a monster's tail poking off the back edge, or a vehicle's sponson poking off the side.

My group has always considered it illegal, but post-6th edition I've started to notice some cases where it becomes slightly obnoxious to disallow it.

For example, now that FMCs have a "facing" that needs to be considered for gameplay purposes, it's tougher to keep their wing-tips in the playing space if you want to fly up the side of the board.

The most egregious example I can think of would be something like a Tervigon coming onto the board from reserves, when, depending on how the model is glued to the base, it might be impossible to get its tail into the playing area while moving no further than 6".

How exactly do you guys treat this issue?

I don't think I would have ann issue with it. I would have issue with any part of the base not being on the table (not sure why you would risk your model!!). Otherwise, when it comes to FMCs with large wing spans, sometimes it is an acceptable practice.

Typically things like tails and wings and the like aren't part of "the model" for gameplay purposes as you ignore such things for determining if you could shoot the model. If part of it is "off the table" but the entire base is on it, it's fine.

A sponson hanging over the side, I'd be curious about the need for a player for that to ever be the case honestly. The only situation it'd ever arise in would be someone trying to job the system rather than actually play the game, and it's easy enough to have it be an inch inside the table.

I honestly have a hard time seeing how someone arrived at the decision that parts of the model being outside of the board is a problem, as long as it doesn't cause any major impact on the game. Sure, don't put your hull off the board, it's illegal according to the rules, but I couldn't care less if the claws on your MC is outside the board.

Edit: I forgot how to English apparently.

So long as it's not a vehicle with any of it's hull hanging over (including the awkward wings on flyers) then I'd not really care as it's not covered by the rules.

HIWPI:
In the case of monsters, they usually have a base. As long as the base is fully within the playing area I have no problems with it.

For a lot of rules, the wings and such are discounted in any case (for FMC).

Otherwise you'd be strongly encouraged to model the wings fully upright and silly things like that.

Well, a few of the more vocal, hardcore gamers in my community rule that NO PART of a flyer can leave the board-edge including Wings, or it becomes back in Ongoing reserves which is a bit much IMO, especially considering the Heldrake's wingspan, which has also led to a lot of Modeling for Advantage with smaller winged Heldrakes which I find to be an even worse rule abuse...

Personally, I would say as long as the Base is in, you're fine. but I'm in the minority on that ruling...

I don't care if it is a,part that can not be targetted or used by the owning player to measure range/LOS ect....

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Well, a few of the more vocal, hardcore gamers in my community rule that NO PART of a flyer can leave the board-edge including Wings, or it becomes back in Ongoing reserves which is a bit much IMO, especially considering the Heldrake's wingspan, which has also led to a lot of Modeling for Advantage with smaller winged Heldrakes which I find to be an even worse rule abuse...

Personally, I would say as long as the Base is in, you're fine. but I'm in the minority on that ruling...

Wings are hull. If a leman russ is half on the table is it on the table?

We don't allow any part of a model to hang over the board edge.

That way we never have any discussion and no judgment-calls have to be made during the battle with potentially the victory on the line.

The danger of someone, including me, accidentally knocking it when walking past would bother me more.

if it has a base then there shouldnt be a problem.

 Elgrun wrote:
The danger of someone, including me, accidentally knocking it when walking past would bother me more.

This. I’d be more worried about a claw grabbing a passing shirt and leaping to the death of a thousand bits on the floor below.

HIWPI: Go for it, not a big deal, as long as the base is on the table.

RAW: non-vehicle wings/tails/banners are ignored per pg. 8; we just care about the base. On page 71 we are told to ignore gun barrels, dozer blades, and such when measuring distance for vehicles, so those can hang over the edge. Vehicle wings count as hull per page 73, so should be on the table.

This happens with my Dakkajet. I always use a marker for where the base is and then place the model further in on the table. I would hate to see it crash and burn.

My daemon prince has ended up pretty much on the edge of the board with his hive tyrant wings hanging over, I tend to stand just behind him to anticipate any accidents... I always find instead of just bouncing mini's seem to shatter if they take a fall....

I don't think there's any reason why it's illegal if the base it totally on the board, can't see it affecting anything much either if a tails poking off slightly.

When it gets odd is when you get into things like Eldar/Dark Eldar/Tau skimmers and being partly off of the table. That part of the model is now immune to blast templates since a template off the table has no effect. In this case, or with any other non-based vehicle, I'd say it has to be fully on the table unless you allow blasts to still hit it off the table.

Non-vehicle models, as long as the base is completely on the board, not a big deal. Vehicle models, with or without a base, the entire model must be on the board.

Solution: wobbly model syndrome, as above. Easy.

Well no, wobbly model doesn't cover it all really.

For non-vehicles the base is all that matters and the base must be on the board at all time. Vehicles just go by the hull which included wings. The only times a model has permission to leave the board generally is when falling back and when leaving combat airspace.

When you fall back if the edge of the base crosses the table edge it's gone. When it comes to vehicles you treat it the same, when the hull is over the edge it's gone. This is because the hull is used for everything bar the examples given in the flyer section.

It's not something I would call someone on, unless the model was retreating. Even then, it probably would not make a difference.

If it can make a legal move and has a stray inch of a wing or something over I think thats fine. That person is risking their own model in the process. However if the person makes part of it hang over the edge to skirt the rules (a flyer not completing its min move, something fitting into a space it couldn't due to terrain, etc) then I would have an issue with it.

I could see this as an issue if say there was a solid wall blocking LOS on a board edge, but a sponson hanging over the edge of the board could conveniently see around annoying me. I think that would be against the spirit of the game and would argue against it.

I'm more curious as to how this has become an issue for some gaming groups as I have never seen this before.

Flyers get to count their wings as 'hull' when doing a Vector Strike, so they should count as hull for staying on the board.

 Turalon wrote:


I'm more curious as to how this has become an issue for some gaming groups as I have never seen this before.

It may not be an issue for most groups (as the replies in this thread seem to indicate) and might just be a weird "parallel evolution" thing isolated to my own group.

Tracing back my memory of it, it seemed to arise during 3rd edition in regards to Eldar skimmers that wanted to hang their butts/edges off the board for ideal positioning. Back then the rules did not do a great job of defining what "hull" and "body" meant in regards to targeting restrictions, so I think we just blanket-ruled that all of a model must remain within the playing space. Of course, during that era models were much smaller and posed in much less dynamic or spread-out configurations, so it seldom effected non-vehicle models.

The years and editions passed by, the rules tightened up targeting restrictions, and more and more models were released with crazy 3D proportions, and we found ourselves in this position, with an archaic house-rule that didn't seem to suit the current state of the game.

Fair enough. It just sounded like you encountered this problem with some degree of frequency, that's why I wondered.

Not sure I could play my flyrants under those conditions, one has a wingspan of about a foot.

coredump wrote:
Flyers get to count their wings as 'hull' when doing a Vector Strike, so they should count as hull for staying on the board.

The vehicle rules state that wings are Hull, so yes they count.
Only for vehicles mind you. Not a FMC.