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Ok so i've got a week to form a list against a chaos player to whom i've lost every time. Classically i will be up against 1 if not 2 helldrakes, a Lord of Change and a Daemon Prince, along with 4 obliterators and a host of plague marines for good measure. These models i will almost certainly be up against, + whatever other goodies he decides to include in the point limit of 1850.

i am slightly restricted by the models i own but my preliminary list is as follows:

HQ
Chapter Master (Warlord) - 240
- bike
- AA
- Burning Blade (S+3 AP2 at initiative)
- SS

Tigurius - 165


TROOPS
Tactical Squad x10 - 190
melta bombs, plasma pistol, plasma gun, plasma cannon

Tactical Squad x 10 - 170
melta bombs, flamer, las cannon

Tactical Squad x 7 - 98
melta bombs

ELITES
Shooty Termies x 5 - 210
heavy flamer

FAST ATTACK
Bike Squad x 3 - 98
Melta Guns, Combi Melta, Melta Bombs

Land Speeder Squad x 3 - 210
MM & HF

HEAVY SUPPORT
Stormraven - 200
MM & LC

Dev Squad x 5 - 170
4 x Flakk missile

FORTIFICATIONS
ADL Quad Gun - 100


The list comes in at just over 1850 which should be ok for a friendly match, if needs be i will take a couple HF off the land speeders. Tactics are to have Tig on the Quadgun in squad of 7 tac marines. combat squad the other two tac squads. roll tig on divination for re-rolls and squad invuln save. shove the bikes and speeders up to try damage at least one daemon before they come and splat my units in cc. pretty much hope tig and the dev squad survive the helldrake invasion and with a bit of luck take at least one down for the raven to deal with the other.

other models i can use are:
vindicator
whirlwind
dreadnaught (TL LC and ML)
2 Techmarines
4 HB Dev Squad
Assault Squad (3 plasma pistol & power fist)

Any help and criticism would be much appreciated. is this list far from what it should be? (my army is ultramarines just for SM tactics reference)

I would take 2 of those skyfire tanks, whatever they are. No matter what you're facing chaos has fliers. FMCs and heldrakes are no joke. Dont be afraid to dedicate 300 or 400 points in a 2000 point game to taking these guys down.

Take something with S10 to double out the DP if it fancies you.

I believe sternguard and their poisoned rounds would prove effective against high toughness PMs. Anything AP3 against them is great because there are very few of them.

Vindicators with the cannon S10 ap3 will murder plague marines not in cover. No armor or fnp saves!

Take storm talons with those 1 time use missle upgrades.

 Filch wrote:
Vindicators with the cannon S10 ap3 will murder plague marines not in cover. No armor or fnp saves!

Take storm talons with those 1 time use missle upgrades.

i believe the demolisher cannons fire S10 AP2 shells...makes me giddy just thinking about them. SUCH POWER!

Better make sure that the vindicator is obstructed, in cover, or otherwise difficult to pen, because that is target numero uno.

aye indeed, i have fielded the vindicaor against chaos before, it just doesn't earn it's points back as it is just a little too much of a target, food for thought. As said i am limited by what models i own, but i may soon invest in a hunter/stalker tank. many thanks for all the replies

Don't get the stalker hunter tank, there are many better heavy support options. Centurions with grav cannons will murder the plague marines and the demon prince easy. As for Hell drakes bring three of the cheap flyers, with TL assault cannons and missiles, they should be able to handle 1 to 2 hell drakes. Also there str8 ap3 missiles will murder the demon prince.

Put grav guns on your bikes, and try to get another 3 to round out the squad. Also drop the burning blade, and get the shield eternal, an eternal warrior, 2 up, 3 up chapter master is strong. Also unless your using Tigrus specifically for something, like buffing centurian, you could prob drop him as well.

Vindicators are strong, but work best in groups. One Vindicator with only 24 inch range, they can easily stay away from. But three of them is a lot harder to do.

Over all against choas, try to bring alot of AA, because demon princes and hell drakes are there strongest units. Also Grav works well against and army with all 2 up and 3 up saves.

Also as bad ass as they are Terminators are weak right now, so you can prob take out the 5 man squad you have and replace, for some of the things I listed above!

I hope this helps and good luck!