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Hello im a brand new Warboss soon to play ( soon as in like 2-3 weeks) my first "real" game i have been playing small mostly sub 100 point games with my main competitor who has started at bout the same time as me and we plan to play our first real game in a few weeks.

As im new to strategy and what is op and is useless if made two lists and i want you guys to critic them and tell me how to improve

Note: I know my opponent is CSM who is playing with the idea of a a CC based army full of Khorne Berserkers and transport rhinos

Anyway

Warboss Warbike Power Klaw BossPole x 1 ::140
Nobs Warbikes waaagh banner x3 ::150
lootas x 4 mek rokkit laucha x 1 ::80
shoota boyz x 18 big shootas x 2 ::130
::500
Wazdakka Gutsmek x 1 ::180
WarBikers x 3 ::75
Lootas x 4 mek rokkit laucha x 1 ::80
shoota boyz x 17 big shootas x1 nob PowerKlaw Bosspole x 1 ::164
::499

by the way, i like bikes...

Also i can change the list entirely if you have something better I currently have a group of boyz 10 + nob and a warboss who i will proxy. I can do anything so long as the total of sets comes in at 100 U.S. dollars (tight budgets and all that)

Start w 2 boxes of Lootas. About $50
A Truk. About $40
Another box of Boyz.


Assemble all 20 Boyz as shootas
2 Nobz w/ PK and BP
Assemble trukk with BS only (magnetize other stuff)
Assemble 8 Lootas and 2 burnas (to proxy as Lootas for now) or vice versa 8 burnas and 2 Lootas.
Proxy Warboss as big Mek w KFF.
Enjoy!

 Lanielas wrote:

Warboss Warbike Power Klaw BossPole x 1 ::140
Nobs Warbikes waaagh banner x3 ::150
lootas x 4 mek rokkit laucha x 1 ::80
shoota boyz x 18 big shootas x 2 ::130
::500
Wazdakka Gutsmek x 1 ::180
WarBikers x 3 ::75
Lootas x 4 mek rokkit laucha x 1 ::80
shoota boyz x 17 big shootas x1 nob PowerKlaw Bosspole x 1 ::164

Some advice from my experience.

Don't mix and match weapons on Lootas. They sit 48' away, and the rokkit cna only go 24'. That's wasting D3 shots that are not only more likely to hit due to weight of fire but are almost as good. If you're taking Lootas (which you should) only take them stock - Deffgunz is best.

I'd suggest more boys because as soon as those 3 Nob Bikers go down you have only 1 scoring unit. Nob Bikers without Cybork and a Painboy is a fairly fragile unit for their points. If you're taking Nob Bikers you really have to go the whole hog and commit to a big unit that is very killy.

I'm not a fan of Big Shootas. Those points add up, and can be useful elsewhere. A Big Shoota is nearly a whole Boy.

In my opinion, Boyz should never be without a Nob with BP / PK. It gives them a much greater kill potential. Avoid footslogging if possible as well, Boys on foot are Boys who get blasted off the table.

Standard Warbikers are decent in small games, but are expensive. Running a full Biker list in the low points could be very difficult. Just keep it in mind.

Thanks for the advice, when I made lists I was thinking more bout running over a bunch of CC space marines (IDK why my opponent likes dem but he does) wasn't really going for super competitive list but replies are good Thanks

Also reason I have mek is cause my opponent is a super stickler when it comes to proxies im still trying to get him to stop crying when I tell him my warboss isnt a warboss

 Lanielas wrote:
Thanks for the advice, when I made lists I was thinking more bout running over a bunch of CC space marines (IDK why my opponent likes dem but he does) wasn't really going for super competitive list but replies are good Thanks

Also reason I have mek is cause my opponent is a super stickler when it comes to proxies im still trying to get him to stop crying when I tell him my warboss isnt a warboss

Fair enough, he is using Khorne Zerkers which are known for being fairly awful for their value, so its not likely that he's going to crush you with a hugely competitive list either. In fact, he won't have many models at all. If you can use your Bikers to stay at range and plink away at him, he'll never catch you (and Zerkers are entirely hopeless at anything except CC)

When it comes to simple proxying like "this HQ is actually a different HQ" i don't really see the problem. it's not a great challenge to remember one dude.

Yeah that's what I say but he's like "Man then why don't we just use pieces of paper with there name written on it ruins the game..." hes a pretty cool guy all round but when it comes to subjects he's strong bout he gets super annoying also I came up with a new list ask your opinion bout it

26 Shoota boyz + 3 Big Shootas + Nob Power Klaw BossPole 'eavy armor ::240
10 gretchin + 1 runtherder ::040
5 lootas ::075
Big Mek KFF 'eavy armor Power Klaw Bosspole ::120
Big Gunz kannon + 1 ammo runt/ Grot krew ::23

Total
::498
Grots will be used as a 4+ on the orks and they will get a 5+ from KFF they will probably die from shots but hey that's one more turn of no shooting at the orks

Also I didn't mean Khorne Berserkers I meant standard CSM's with CCW Bolt Pistol and Mark of Khorne ( is there a difference?)

Ehh I know the type man, some people stress about stupid things - as long as its somewhat representative there shouldn't be an issue IMO

I was in the same position as you are now except for learning Warhammer Fantasy the other day, so I'll give you the run down.

First, play on a 4x4 board for games this small. Otherwise he'll get decimated.

The last list is pretty solid. I'd trade Grots, Nob, and Power Klaw on Big Mek for just more shoota boyz though. At low points Orks can spam shootas and lay waste.

 Lanielas wrote:
Yeah that's what I say but he's like "Man then why don't we just use pieces of paper with there name written on it ruins the game..." hes a pretty cool guy all round but when it comes to subjects he's strong bout he gets super annoying

That's a pretty poor attitude for him, especially when everyone is starting out. Maybe my group are just really lax about it, nobody minds at all where I'm at.

 Lanielas wrote:

26 Shoota boyz + 3 Big Shootas + Nob Power Klaw BossPole 'eavy armor ::240
10 gretchin + 1 runtherder ::040
5 lootas ::075
Big Mek KFF 'eavy armor Power Klaw Bosspole ::120
Big Gunz kannon + 1 ammo runt/ Grot krew ::23

Total
::498

Big Gunz are great, they really are. My problem with them is that if your opponent is a gunline (not that CSM are) the Gunz can sometimes be a waste as you have to advance them. When it comes to what you'll use them for, they will work well. The Shells will do a solid job of cracking transports to get the juicy juicy Marines within, not to mention that Frag rounds can rack up kills with sheer volume. A battery of 3 will perform very well with some Loota support, for dirt cheap.

Personally I dislike Grots. That's mostly because I play Orks for Orks not Orks for Grots, not in any way a reflection of their usefulness. However such a small unit is going to get blown up awfully quickly, even if that is its job. Not much point screening Boys with Grots as the 5+ you'll claim from the KFF is the same as being obstructed by the Grots. Unless they are camping a backfield objective (which is risky due to size) they are a bit useless in this list (IMO)

PK on the Mek is nice, though expensive. I don't tend to tool up my Meks as they die easily anyway. I'd avoid 'Eavy Armour in general - it's far too easy for a 4+ to be negated to be cost-effective.

Big Boy squad is the the balls. They are pretty hard to shift with a KFF and will shoot and chop most other units off the board in low point games. More Boys is best boys. Splitting the squad into 2 of 20 with Nob BP/ PK is my preference, even if it gets expensive.

 Lanielas wrote:
Also I didn't mean Khorne Berserkers I meant standard CSM's with CCW Bolt Pistol and Mark of Khorne ( is there a difference?)

There is, but it's marginal performance-wise. Zerkers get the weird kitten helmets if that counts.

This is all IMO. Somebody like Gitsplitta or especially Dakkamite would be the most qualified to answer you definitively.




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 Dakkamite wrote:
Ehh I know the type man, some people stress about stupid things - as long as its somewhat representative there shouldn't be an issue IMO

I was in the same position as you are now except for learning Warhammer Fantasy the other day, so I'll give you the run down.

First, play on a 4x4 board for games this small. Otherwise he'll get decimated.

The last list is pretty solid. I'd trade Grots, Nob, and Power Klaw on Big Mek for just more shoota boyz though. At low points Orks can spam shootas and lay waste.

Oh snap there he is! Dakkamite is the man you'll want to listen to, as I said above.

So you mean something like this right?


27 Shoota boyz + 3 Big Shootas ::195
18 Shoota boyz + 2 Big Shootas ::130
5 lootas ::075
Big Mek KFF Cybork Armor Bosspole ::95


Total
::500

Looks a bit like overkill

Hey there, welcome to Orkdom. It's good to be green.

The list you just posted is the best out of the three IMO. The shoota boys and big make make a nice core force, with the gretchin to screen them and some fire support from the lootas and kannons.

Some small critiques: I would opt against the power klaw on the big mek. It's an expensive upgrade and you've already got one on the nob, which should be enough. Consider getting rid of the one on the nob as well - he'll get singled out in challenges by the enemy sergeant or general and never get a chance to attack. You could also save some points by getting rid of the big shootas, they're not necessarily a bad upgrade but you might find the points are better spent elsewhere, especially against a high-armour save enemy like space marines. Lastly, although kannons are a popular choice, I hear lobbas are the bees knees - I use kannons myself but YMMV, maybe try out both and see what works best (unless your friend is really that anal about WYSIWYG!)

Personally I would bring more boyz. Here's a quick list I threw together, 497 points total:

Big Mek, KFF, Heavy Armour

5x Lootas

20 Shoota boys + 1 Nob, bosspole, heavy armour

20 Shootas boys + 1 Nob, bosspole, heavy armour

2x Kannons, 4 crew

It lacks the screening gretchin of your list but I feel like the 5++ from the big mek will be enough when you bring forty orks to the field.

Good luck on your Waagh!