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So I've been flying through all my armies to find a competitive list that's different. I hate the spammy net lists you see like 5 wave serpents and 2 wraithknights that just seems boring to me. My army isn't the most competitive but with lots of skill I think it can take out a lot of the net supper lists.

1500pt eldar with dark eldar allies

HQ
Farseer
Bike, shard of anaris

Baron

TROOPS
3 jetbikes (reserved they'll hide the clam objectives)

9 jetbikes
3 cannons, warloc

5 kabalite warriors (target MC's)
Venom, splinter cannon

5 kabalite warriors
Venom, splinter cannon

FAST ATTACK
9 warp spiders (jump around popping vehicles and the such also take out flyers)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Wraithknight (need I say anything?)

3 war walkers
3 scatter lasers, 3 star cannons


Ravager (targets things like broadsides and heavy troops)
Night shields, 3 dark lances

There it is I like the list a lot seems to have good variety and lots of fire power. It's a glass hammer but when the hammer hits it definitely hurts.

Why farseer with the war spiders? youll greatly happer there speed. Why not stick motlg on him, and follow them around? And giving the spdiers stealth is kindov pointless...

Why is stealth pointless? A 3+ cover in ruins? Also he can keep up with a 12 inch move and a 36" turbo boost. The baron is the only slow one but I can just conga line him and the farseer to keep them in coherency (I've gotten good at. This) then battle focus and warp jump back behind the baron so he can soak up wounds.

Most ap 2-3 guns wont be shooting at the warp spiders (Well now they will the the 2 easy hqs in there) and so generally there armor will work fine over the cover. Not saying cover is useless, but they have good armor. And what is the farseer doing that he woudnt be doing better with the mantle? faster, and almost certainly more hard to kill. The baron i guess you could keep with the spiders, its a different strategy, ill say that.

He doesn't have the points for MotLG.

I like it, try it out and tell us.

drop 2 warpspiders. But as youll probably just keep it the way it is, which is fine, i also want to see how it works out.

Baron with the warp spiders means they lose battle focus, so careful with that. The whole squad must have BF in order to use it.

Just played 4 games and its safe to say the list works. I was 3-1 win loss ratio two times I pretty much tables my opponent and the other win was unanimous. The loss was against ovesa star stupidness. The ravager works excellent for taking out broadsides. But the real stars were the warp spiders with the baron. I always got choose who went first with the baron and it made a huge difference the warp spiders shot down two heldrakes (it was hammer and anvil and thanks to pre measuring they didn't end up a barbecue).

I didn't have a problem manoeuvring my spiders without battle focus. The venoms do a really good job at taking out wraithknights. All in all I really like the list. I may swap the bright lances off the war walkers for scatter laser star cannon combo.

I'd take Dark Lances on the Ravager you lose almost nothing for anti-broadside firepower and gain firepower against so much other stuff.

Its a bit of a mish mash list and that will hurt you against decent lists and players as you're making targetting decisions easy and ensuring maximum efficiency froim all his firepower.

I have to admit WarpStar is a new one on me and I'm not sure its up there with the other stars. Perhaps loading up with an Exarch and another tough character would help. Can't really think of a character that fits perhaps a tooled Autarch or could Baharroth actually work here? Do you need that much poison to make the Trueborn really worth it.

Keep the BLs on the War Walkers you're very low on AT as is. With Guide they also double as decent AA.

I've found that I'm fine on anti tank I don't know about you but we don't have many vehicles in my meta. And on using disintigrators on the ravager I find he is useful for finishing off marine squads and that 4 twin bright lances and 2 wraith cannons I seem to manage fine. I know it's a mix match list but I didn't want to spam stuff. I find that with proper tactic it has stood up well against 3 heldrakes, tau far and white scars. The only trouble I've had was against ovesa star but I think every list has trouble against that stupidness

O'Vesastar has its weaknesses. MC spam Nids can beat it, triple Wraith/Dread-knight practically auto beats it, Transcendent C'tan walks over it, Revenants obliterate it almost anything with Strength D hurts it bad. But for a standard list it is tough.

So what aboutuppibg the efficacy of that Warpstar which you've already put over 400 points into?

What would you suggest I was think about taking the farseer out of the unit taking some stuff out and giving him the mantle but what should I drop? This would make them less of a target.

I agree with ninjafiredragon, by putting the Baron and the Farseer in the Warp Spider squad, you hamper the Warp Spider's mobility which means that they will lose their main asset.

Personally, this it what I run at 1750 (although the main idea is transferable to 1500pts):

1. Farseer - 160pts.
w/ Singing Spear, Eldar Jetbike, Mantle of the Laughing God.

2. Spiritseer - 70pts.

3. Wraithguard Squad - 160pts.
w/ 5 x Members, Wraithcannons.

• Wave Serpent - 145pts.
w/ Twin-Linked Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields.

4. Wraithguard Squad - 160pts.
w/ 5 x Members, Wraithcannons.

• Wave Serpent - 145pts.
w/ Twin-Linked Scatter Lasers, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields.

5. Wraithknight - 240pts.
w/ 2 x Heavy Wraithcannons.

6. Duke Sliscus - 150pts.

7. Kabalite Trueborn - 78pts.
w/ 4 x Members, 2 x Splinter Cannons, 2 x Shardcarbines.

• Venom - 75pts.
w/ 2 x Splinter Cannons, Night Shields.

8. Kabalite Warrior Squad - 45pts.
w/ 5 x Members.

• Venom - 75pts.
w/ 2 x Splinter Cannons, Night Shields.

9. Kabalite Warrior Squad - 45pts.
w/ 5 x Members.

• Venom - 75pts.
w/ 2 x Splinter Cannons, Night Shields.

10. Ravager -125pts.
w/ 3 x Dark Lances, Night Shields, Flickerfields.

Total = 1746pts.

With an Eldar/Dark Eldar list, I feel mech is the only way to go. Their two strongest units (arguably), the Venom and the Wave Serpent, provide huge anti-infantry fire power and along with the Ravager and the Wraithknight, you have excellent anti-tank too.

Iranna.

I agree but your list has one thing I don't want to take which is the wave serpent. I could take out the venoms and put in a big unit of hellions to put the baron and farseer in?

Why no serpent? If its because you think there to op and dont want to be a cheese player, in that list theres only 2. thats not waac. thats just good.

bobmgee wrote:
My army isn't the most competitive but with lots of skill I think it can take out a lot of the net supper lists.

bobmgee wrote:
I've found that I'm fine on anti tank I don't know about you but we don't have many vehicles in my meta.

We don't even play the same game. No matter what your "meta" is 16 troops won't do. If you are beating people as easy as you say. You might need to actually play people who know what they are doing. You will never table a player who knows what he is doing unless they just have crappy rolls throughout the game.

We don't even play the same game. No matter what your "meta" is 16 troops won't do. If you are beating people as easy as you say. You might need to actually play people who know what they are doing. You will never table a player who knows what he is doing unless they just have crappy rolls throughout the game.

Can I unexalt you? Honestly that was uncalled for.

Mate I don't know what you're talking about I regularly win local tourneys with my dark eldar venom spam let me tell you I know how to play the stupid spammy lists. Some of us use tactics to win our games instead of list vs list. I made this post to try and make a change and not make a pure optimised list.

The truth about "optimized" lists is that they fold to other "optimized" lists that are in turn easily beaten by different "optimized" lists. Warhammer 40k is only a rock/paper/scissors game if you let it be.

Balanced unorthodox lists are the best way to go, imho, you just need to have an answer for as much as you can out there and use your tactics to get you through. An advantage of playing your own list is that your opponent won't know exactly how it plays and they won't expect a list like that.

First off, I'd swap 2x2 WWs for 1x3 and all with dual scatters. Then take DLs on your Ravager and you already have those lovely Heavy Wraithcannons from the WK.

If you want a really good place to put your Baron and Farseer in, then buy 9x Jetbikes with 3x Shuriken Cannons and a Warlock. Stealth + Shrouded stack, so you'll get 2+ cover save on your scoring, Fearless(if you buy Shard of Anaris for your Farseer) and H&R unit. And the good thing is, you can still put them in with your Warp Spiders if you find you need to.

A lovely thing with not using multiple Wave Serpents is that it frees points for so much more to use. And Eldar codex is filled to bursting with deadly, sleek units that are often overlooked because that damned Shield is staring right in their face(not claiming everyone who plays Serpent spam does that, some people like playing spammy lists, more power to them, I was more referring to the crowd that jumps the latest bandwagon because they read about it online, never bothering to actually look for other good units to play).

I use 1 Wave Serpent at 1750 points and I do just fine against a lot of netlists. Bear in mind I'm only an average skilled player in 6th, because I had a long hiatus from Warhammer and people playing those lists are a good deal more skilled than I am. So it's very possible to make a list with no Wave Serpents that's also very very competitive.

Thanks for the jetbike idea it's great thanks. And I completely aggre with you on running non spam lists

No probs! If you change the list, show us, and let us know how your next few games went!

Changed the list up couldn't find the points for dhurican cannons on the big unit of jetbikes.

For the latest 1500pt tournament at my FLGS I took 2 units of 10 harlequins and seer/troupe master, and did well at 2 wins 1 draw (I only ever failed one psychic test for vale of tears), so it goes to show that serpents while being not as fun but great, arn't the only competitive unit out there (helps I only failed 1 psychic test)!

Ravager is more cost-efficient as an AT platform, while the Walkers are more efficient as anti-infantry and anti-everything with the scatterlasers, really.

Let me put it this way:

Dissies on the Ravager are 9 S5 AP2 shots. Starcannons on the War Walkers are 12 S6 AP2 shots. Even if you really wanted that AP2, it's still better to go with Starcannons. But I suggest taking Scatterlasers. Anyway...

Those Shuriken Cannons are absolutely necessary on the big jetbike unit. Drop 1 unit of 3 jetbikes to buy them. 4 Troop choices are more than enough at 1500 points.

That frees up some more points too. What does your Farseer have now? Does it have Singing Spear? The Shard of Anaris? Is he naked?

 Arbiter wrote:
For the latest 1500pt tournament at my FLGS I took 2 units of 10 harlequins and seer/troupe master, and did well at 2 wins 1 draw (I only ever failed one psychic test for vale of tears), so it goes to show that serpents while being not as fun but great, arn't the only competitive unit out there (helps I only failed 1 psychic test)!

are you suggesting that harlies are competitive

Changed it up again gone for the lances on the ravager and scatter/star cannons on the walkers. Had to take off a warp spider to fit the shard on the farseer.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:
For the latest 1500pt tournament at my FLGS I took 2 units of 10 harlequins and seer/troupe master, and did well at 2 wins 1 draw (I only ever failed one psychic test for vale of tears), so it goes to show that serpents while being not as fun but great, arn't the only competitive unit out there (helps I only failed 1 psychic test)!

are you suggesting that harlies are competitive

Are you suggesting 40k is competitive.

bobmgee wrote:
Mate I don't know what you're talking about I regularly win local tourneys with my dark eldar venom spam let me tell you I know how to play the stupid spammy lists. Some of us use tactics to win our games instead of list vs list. I made this post to try and make a change and not make a pure optimised list.

Then your local meta must be people who don't know how to play. Dark Eldar venom spam is this still 5th edition? I'm confused here. Your lists always crush everyone (tabling your most recent opponents)and your optimized lists are better. What exactly are you hoping to get out of other peoples feedback? I don't know how people can't kill 16 troops and then 5/6 missions you are hoping for a draw? How could we possibly hope to make your all destroying army of death that can't lose better? Noone can possibly make your unoptimized list better without optimizing it.

 Tyrius wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:
For the latest 1500pt tournament at my FLGS I took 2 units of 10 harlequins and seer/troupe master, and did well at 2 wins 1 draw (I only ever failed one psychic test for vale of tears), so it goes to show that serpents while being not as fun but great, arn't the only competitive unit out there (helps I only failed 1 psychic test)!

are you suggesting that harlies are competitive

Are you suggesting 40k is competitive.

bobmgee wrote:
Mate I don't know what you're talking about I regularly win local tourneys with my dark eldar venom spam let me tell you I know how to play the stupid spammy lists. Some of us use tactics to win our games instead of list vs list. I made this post to try and make a change and not make a pure optimised list.

Then your local meta must be people who don't know how to play. Dark Eldar venom spam is this still 5th edition? I'm confused here. Your lists always crush everyone (tabling your most recent opponents)and your optimized lists are better. What exactly are you hoping to get out of other peoples feedback? I don't know how people can't kill 16 troops and then 5/6 missions you are hoping for a draw? How could we possibly hope to make your all destroying army of death that can't lose better? Noone can possibly make your unoptimized list better without optimizing it.

Cheese and rice dude didn't you see that your contribution to this thread was useless and uninvited in the first place? We don't all play NOVA, Grand Tournies, or extremely competitive 40K, some of us just want a little feedback on an unorthodox idea that MIGHT just MIGHT work in our semi competitive local meta. If you're butt hurt about seeing an "unoptimized" list on a 40K LIST FORUM on the INTERNET then I am glad I have never had the misfortune of throwing dice with you at the table. God bless the people that tolerate you...they must be saints.

astro_nomicon wrote:

 Tyrius wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:
For the latest 1500pt tournament at my FLGS I took 2 units of 10 harlequins and seer/troupe master, and did well at 2 wins 1 draw (I only ever failed one psychic test for vale of tears), so it goes to show that serpents while being not as fun but great, arn't the only competitive unit out there (helps I only failed 1 psychic test)!

are you suggesting that harlies are competitive

Are you suggesting 40k is competitive.

bobmgee wrote:
Mate I don't know what you're talking about I regularly win local tourneys with my dark eldar venom spam let me tell you I know how to play the stupid spammy lists. Some of us use tactics to win our games instead of list vs list. I made this post to try and make a change and not make a pure optimised list.

Then your local meta must be people who don't know how to play. Dark Eldar venom spam is this still 5th edition? I'm confused here. Your lists always crush everyone (tabling your most recent opponents)and your optimized lists are better. What exactly are you hoping to get out of other peoples feedback? I don't know how people can't kill 16 troops and then 5/6 missions you are hoping for a draw? How could we possibly hope to make your all destroying army of death that can't lose better? Noone can possibly make your unoptimized list better without optimizing it.

Cheese and rice dude didn't you see that your contribution to this thread was useless and uninvited in the first place? We don't all play NOVA, Grand Tournies, or extremely competitive 40K, some of us just want a little feedback on an unorthodox idea that MIGHT just MIGHT work in our semi competitive local meta. If you're butt hurt about seeing an "unoptimized" list on a 40K LIST FORUM on the INTERNET then I am glad I have never had the misfortune of throwing dice with you at the table. God bless the people that tolerate you...they must be saints.

You just discover the internet today? Someone asks for advice for a list that "already owns everyone else" and can win with super "optimized lists" So what exactly is the point of the thread if it already works? You want people to affirm that it works in your crappy meta. Cool, Good Job. It owns people who don't know how to play. My point is 40k isn't, hasn't, wasn't and never will be competitive. If your army works for you great. Noone outside of your group can confirm this or makes suggestions to work for you. If you want to play in larger events? The meta there is based on how the TO views 40k. Lots of LOS blocking terrain? No terrain? No objectives or multiple objectives. Kill points? This will all change how you would be able to play and what would be good. The OP already stated this list owns everyone he plays with so what is he asking for? I could care less about the list being crap. I'm curious what he wants to hear? People offered suggestions and asked questions why he used things he used. Then he states how it wins everyone he plays......

To the poster above: You just singlehandedly beat any reason to ever post a list on the internet asking advice. Congratulations.

To the OP: The list now looks great! Let me know how it does!

Alternative suggestion: If you find the Warlock is dying on you too quickly due to Perils, you might ditch him for some upgrades on your other squads. Singing Spear on a Farseer, Night Shields on Venoms and Blasters on your Warriors. That way you have some extra AT strewn across multiple squads, so your opponent can't shut it down easily.

Anyway, best of luck to you!