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Hi all,

I'm relatively new to 40k and playing DE. I'm joining a group of players and will be facing space marines, imperial guard, tau, orcs, necrons, chaos marines and tyrannids (All 500 point armies)

Many of the players seem to be straying away from using vehicles in the hope to field more units, due to small point pool, and are mainly going for ground troops with a few exceptions.

Now even as a new DE player I know that if I go ground I will most likely be destroyed. Therefore I've put together an army of sorts to deal with infantry and the odd armoured unit/vehicle, it may be good, it may be horrific i'm not entirely sure as i'm pretty new school.

If anyone could offer any advice, criticisms, tactics or opinions that would be fantastic

Haemonculus (w/ Venom Blade, Liquifier Gun) -65 points
4xWracks
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-105 points

5xWarriors (w/ Blaster)
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-125 points

5xWyches
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-115 points

3x Reavers (w/ cluster caltrops)
-86 points

Total :496 points

What do you think? I'm unsure about most of it tbh but it seems like it could be potentially ok? I'm concerned that the reavers may be to few but their turbo boost + caltrops seems pretty nice. Are the venoms with my troop choices + extra cannons good choices? I've heard a lot of praise for the venom but i'm still new to DE

I imagined that the two melee based units could unload the 12 venom shots before dismounting and going melee, if need be. I chose Hae to get a cheap HQ choice plus I get Wracks which have 2 x venom blade. Hae also has a venom blade and I gave him the liquefier to hurt space marines and power armour opponents. The Wyches don't have any upgrades like haywire grenades as there are limited vehicles to go up against. I chose these as they are fairly cheap and , if they can get to melee a decent unit...

The Warrior unit can attempt to annoy armoured enemies with the blaster and venom and the Reavers can generally harass anything that needs it etc?

Any opinions etc would be really helpful

Thanks

although the reavers may be nice i would drop them at 500 points. The reason is that cluster clatrops are expensive and you need to bladevane every turn to make them effective. I prefer to run them in squads of 6 with a 2 heat lances - but thats to much for 500.

So i would drop them, and either pick up a squad of 3 wracks in venom, or even drop the wyches as well and pick up a ravager and kit it out with either all dark lances or all dissintigrators, should do quite well in 500 points.




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also just to add if you go to the dark city there is some great advice on there for DE

Yer the Reavers were a bit of a hit and miss and was pretty unsure, thanks for your advice I agree, in a bigger squad they would be far more useful and i'd like to use them in bigger games.

Both your tweaks could be really interesting , thanks. I guess my only concern is that the three wracks would be somewhat underpowered in melee? Unless assisted and couldn't fire weapons from the venom. That said on the other hand it could work really nicely and offers me more options on the field

Dumping the wyches for the ravager could be nice but then i'll only be fielding 10 units + vehicles lol. I guess that doesn't matter as the ravager's dark lances could be pretty nice for long range?

Do you suggest using the wyche venom unmanned then?

Thanks for your quick response btw

the wracks being in a squad of 3 is purely about getting the extra venom and splinter cannon. You can hide them in some terrain and go to ground and hope the opponent fogets about them. - i have adapted your list to what may be not to bad. remember wracks are not that great in combat use the splinter cannons to softer the targets up.


Haemonculus (w/ Venom Blade, Liquifier Gun) -65 points
4xWracks
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-105 points

5xWarriors (w/ Blaster)
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-125 points

5xWracks liquifier
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-115 points

1x raveger 110?


the above list still gives you around 40 points to play with, 15 guys on the ground

3 venoms pumping out 36 shots
and a raveger with either lances or disintegrators

ive not got my book on me atm but i think these points are correct

cammy wrote:

Haemonculus (w/ Venom Blade, Liquifier Gun) -65 points
4xWracks
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-105 points

5xWarriors (w/ Blaster)
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-125 points

5xWracks liquifier
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-115 points

1x Ravager 105

the above list still gives you around 40 points to play with, 15 guys on the ground

This is a great list. I wouldn't bother with any upgrades on the troops, though. I would do something like:

Haemy w/ Liquefier Gun 60

3x Wracks 95
-Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

3x Wracks 95
-Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

3x Wracks 95
-Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons

Razorwing Bomber 155 (or whatever it's called)
-2 Shattershard Missiles

500

I think my points are correct, although I do not have my codex so there may be some inaccuracies. The Bomber is a fantastic choice in low point games if you equip it with a couple missiles. 2 S9 Void Lances can shred any vehicle you encounter.

have you had any games yet? have you tried any of the suggested lists- there really is many ways to play DE 500 is just very limited and when you get to around 1250 you really hit an optimum points for DE.

let us know how you get on

Hey Cammy.

Nope, no games as of yet. Still painting, assembling and deciding on a few finishing touches

I will definitely keep in touch and let you know how I get on though

Thanks for your advice and comments.

I'm thinking pretty much what you said, aka:

Haemonculus (w/ Venom Blade, Liquifier Gun) -65 points
4xWracks
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-105 points

5xWarriors (w/ Blaster)
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-125 points

5xWracks liquifier
Venom (w/ extra cannon)
-115 points

Ravager x3 Dark Lance

40 extra points are spent on flicker shields or night shields. I cant see any point in fielding a small unit of ground warriors, wyches or wracks as they will most likely just be shot down.I could be wrong though

I'm thinking Ravager and the higher troop count over Gorgosaurusrex's suggestions. Reason being is that the bomber will be a high priority target and if it goes down, I lose a lot of points and the rest of my army is a bit weaker due to its higher cost, that said I may be talking absolute crap as I'm yet to actually field this army..

I will no doubt grab/make a Bomber at some point as Gorgosaurusrex's suggestions show its awesome potential to destroy and own. Thanks Gorgosaurusrex

I am somewhat worried that my army will get destroyed/badly hurt if I face any highly armoured units with a low save. Only the Ravager and the Blaster will be powerful enough to dent them... I guess a tactic would be to fill raiders with warriors and use the combo of splinter rifle, blasters and dark lances?

Thanks for your interest and hope your doing well. What army are you currently fielding?