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if I do a KS exclusive it will truly be an exclusive Limited Edition.

I do not want anyone to take it as a quote but I will say that between $45 and $75 is a good estimate for the starter set prices. It will really depend on what ends up going in to the starter sets. I do want to try to keep it as affordable as possible though. My goal is to get this game up and running like hell so the more peopel it attracts the better.

And yes resin beasties and Metal characters and auch is about right.

weeble1000 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
...and I'm not sure RBG can really afford the time and effort to spend on loss leaders in their present situation.

His present situation. It is worth remembering that like some other boutique miniatures companies, RBG is a one man show (Not to diminish periodic assistance offered by spouse/friends/etc.). No offense intended, Azazelx, this is just a handy opportunity to discuss something that I think is important.

I'm completely aware of that, and I originally wrote "Tre's present situation" but it felt like I was hammering away at that a little hard "Tre this, Tre that" - especially given the context of RBG having fallen on some difficult times in many aspects, so changed it to the slightly less personal RBG as a plural.

It's Ok guys I got what Az was saying and I also appreciate your sentiment Weeble and yours as well Az. I did not take offense. I certianly do nto want to take on any losses either. The Motivation for the LE is purely because I am not sure I could justify the expense of the piece outside of a KS exclusive. The idea is a vignette rather than a single figure. It is the kind of thing that I think truly justifies LE status. I HATE it when companies use the " limited Edition " tag on a piece JUST so they can charge a little more for it and create a false sense of urgency to grab it before it is " gone " when they could just as easily sell it as normal piece for as long as they wanted to.

I think that a Limited Edition should be something truly special and something that actually demands a shorter production life.

But like I said this is still VERY much JUST an idea.

I want to be very careful nto to slow down the delivery of whatever is funded in this next KS. My goal is run this KS before the Summer and deliver it in full before the END of the Summer. I deally I would like to deliver it before Gen Con. Then I plan to run a second KS in August and deliver it by Christmas.

That is the plan anyway.

I like that plan - a lot!

And as weeble mentioned, this is one of those "Feel Good" Kickstarters too.

In some ways, dare I say it, "This is what Kickstarter is for!"

hah hah! Thanks Alph!

 tre manor wrote:
I want to be very careful nto to slow down the delivery of whatever is funded in this next KS. My goal is run this KS before the Summer and deliver it in full before the END of the Summer. I deally I would like to deliver it before Gen Con. Then I plan to run a second KS in August and deliver it by Christmas.

That timeline only sounds feasible if everything is already sculpted before you launch, Tre, just like it was in your third KS (which looks like it has a chance of just barely being right on time still ). Especially given that there are more sculpts in this campaign than in your third.

 RiTides wrote:

 tre manor wrote:
I want to be very careful nto to slow down the delivery of whatever is funded in this next KS. My goal is run this KS before the Summer and deliver it in full before the END of the Summer. I deally I would like to deliver it before Gen Con. Then I plan to run a second KS in August and deliver it by Christmas.

That timeline only sounds feasible if everything is already sculpted before you launch, Tre, just like it was in your third KS (which looks like it has a chance of just barely being right on time still ). Especially given that there are more sculpts in this campaign than in your third.

Indeed. People are excited when a project fulfills early and annoyed when it is late.

Well I can confirm with confidence that KS3 will be on schedule. I will have the castings on monday.

Modularity MIGHT be back on the table for the starter sets. It depends on how an experiment goes. I have figured out how to set the modular bits up for casting that will eliminate the problems that it usually causes. Essentially the figures will be molded with a sprue system similar to what you might see in plastics. Definitely nto what you are thinking right now though. There will be VERY little extraneous metal.

Basically each part that divides from another will be attached to the part it divides from via a "peg". This peg will be 2/3's the diameter of the parts it attaches, and will be approximately 5 mm long and will have a " snip " line to allow for a fast smooth cut. On the side with the snip line there will be a shallow " cup " which will be just slightly larger than the " peg ". This is a pilot depression which will allow the user to very easily drill out the socket for the peg to fit into. This will insure a good tight fit for every part, no shrinkage discrepancy between the parts, and a good built in " pinning ". Also it will make keeping up with the parts a snap for me as all the parts will be molded together in one " sprue ".

What do you guys think?



Also.....plastic?? Ala Wrath of Kings / Dust??

I think it sounds great.

And metal for the 'troops' and 'real resin' for the Big Beasts also sounds great.

Not sure if you're saying you might be able to do a version of 'plastic' similar to WoK/Dust for troops or all?

If you can also find a way to avoid the pitfalls of that material (soft details and bendy weapons), OK!

If not - metal all the way!

 tre manor wrote:


Modularity MIGHT be back on the table for the starter sets. It depends on how an experiment goes. I have figured out how to set the modular bits up for casting that will eliminate the problems that it usually causes. Essentially the figures will be molded with a sprue system similar to what you might see in plastics. Definitely nto what you are thinking right now though. There will be VERY little extraneous metal.

Basically each part that divides from another will be attached to the part it divides from via a "peg". This peg will be 2/3's the diameter of the parts it attaches, and will be approximately 5 mm long and will have a " snip " line to allow for a fast smooth cut. On the side with the snip line there will be a shallow " cup " which will be just slightly larger than the " peg ". This is a pilot depression which will allow the user to very easily drill out the socket for the peg to fit into. This will insure a good tight fit for every part, no shrinkage discrepancy between the parts, and a good built in " pinning ". Also it will make keeping up with the parts a snap for me as all the parts will be molded together in one " sprue ".

What do you guys think?



Also.....plastic?? Ala Wrath of Kings / Dust??

Sounds like a great plan! I know some companies who have done simikar with the weapons and heads on an extended tab along the feet.

im really looking forward to this ks, this thread in particular has been great in building up excitement.

Keep up the good work (and mabye post another preview )

The difference between the Wrath of Kings material and that used in Dust for the infantry is large. The Wrath of Kings casts look fantastic, and won't be rubbery like the Dust models can be.

If you could do Wrath of Kings type plastic and lower the price point, this could be a very large campaign indeed (people will go nuts for the big beasts), but that will likely work in opposition to your desire to get this KS out the door quickly.

 Gallahad wrote:
...but that will likely work in opposition to your desire to get this KS out the door quickly.

Exactly... new materials that you've never had models made in before means risk and delay. Metal and hand cast resin are known quantities. Two extremely different approaches, and I don't think you can move between them lightly. If you've been planning for metal, you should follow through with metal (imo).

Not a huge fan of having to drill to be honest but I'm also in the set of people who want single piece minis.

Well the way that I am goign about this I can make a set of modulars AND a set of single piece from the same components.

To be honest I don't really know anythign about the Dust plastics. The WoK plastics look great though. I am really nto sure I want to go the plastics route but I cannot ignore the possibility and prospect of really making this a big deal. I suppose it is somethign I can always come back to.

Just some food for though for now.


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Incidentally the first art pieces for the campaign page are comign in now and they are awesome as usual. I can definitely see some awesome patches or a T-shirt in the works for this one.

 tre manor wrote:


Well the way that I am goign about this I can make a set of modulars AND a set of single piece from the same components.

To be honest I don't really know anythign about the Dust plastics. The WoK plastics look great though. I am really nto sure I want to go the plastics route but I cannot ignore the possibility and prospect of really making this a big deal. I suppose it is somethign I can always come back to.

Just some food for though for now.

I have no doubt that you will make the best choice at the en but I have to admit that metal suits very much as a material of your miniatures. It keeps a great amount of detail, which your minis are full of and has this particular "weight" that makes the mini look solid and not just a toy.

 tre manor wrote:

Modularity MIGHT be back on the table for the starter sets. It depends on how an experiment goes. I have figured out how to set the modular bits up for casting that will eliminate the problems that it usually causes. Essentially the figures will be molded with a sprue system similar to what you might see in plastics. Definitely nto what you are thinking right now though. There will be VERY little extraneous metal.

Basically each part that divides from another will be attached to the part it divides from via a "peg". This peg will be 2/3's the diameter of the parts it attaches, and will be approximately 5 mm long and will have a " snip " line to allow for a fast smooth cut. On the side with the snip line there will be a shallow " cup " which will be just slightly larger than the " peg ". This is a pilot depression which will allow the user to very easily drill out the socket for the peg to fit into. This will insure a good tight fit for every part, no shrinkage discrepancy between the parts, and a good built in " pinning ". Also it will make keeping up with the parts a snap for me as all the parts will be molded together in one " sprue ".

What do you guys think?

For modularity just do multiple swappable heads with plastic space marine ball and socket joins. KISS.

If you must experiment with greater modularity, then add just a couple of figures using this new system - like a maximum of two per faction - since it's a new idea. Minimise the risk so it doesnt bite you in the arse. If it works well, then by all means go nuts with the next three factions. If it backfires (that could never happen, amirite?) or works out badly, then you're not fethed as you were by the Trollcast episode. Minimise the risk.

I have talked with a few industry guys abotu plastic and I think I might do well to steer clear of it until the scale of demand really makes it worth while. I think that stickign with MEtal and Resin is the most sure fire way to go and I am always very suspicious of the promises of Plastics campaigns anyway.

Well said and DEFINITELY for the best for this upcoming campaign.

Speaking if which, any clearer idea on when it will be launching?

I wouldn't be super excited about modularity personally. When Rackham introduced modular metal kits for Ragnarok they never matched the character of the non-modular sculpts.
I don't think you need to compromise pose and character for modularity right off the bat personally.

Good call on sticking with metal/resin. I think limiting all of the unknowns for this campaign is important.

Too many competing products in the market right now. I am aiming at mid April or early May. I will be taking full advantage of the intervening time to get as much of the front end work done as possible. I have Dave Needham working on the art elements already and I am also in talks with a few other artists as well. The Undead starter set is done. Now I am working on finishing the Barbarians set. I figure I can be done with that by the end of the week next week. After that I will finish up the Amazons set.

I know that limiting the scope of the launch will allow me to flesh out the first factions more thoroughly, but I cannot help but feel like more faction starters will draw in more backers. I have the Empirial Mage sculpted and the first of the Empirial Melee minions sculpted as well. That gives me the basis for those which means they can be wrapped up rather quickly and for the mutants I have the first of the melee minions sculpted, the first of the war beast minions sculpted and the first of their elites sculpted as well. I am very tempted to just go ahead and get those sculpted and mastered as well.

Decisions decisions.......

I'm in for sticking with metal.

 tre manor wrote:


Too many competing products in the market right now. I am aiming at mid April or early May. I will be taking full advantage of the intervening time to get as much of the front end work done as possible. I have Dave Needham working on the art elements already and I am also in talks with a few other artists as well. The Undead starter set is done. Now I am working on finishing the Barbarians set. I figure I can be done with that by the end of the week next week. After that I will finish up the Amazons set.

I know that limiting the scope of the launch will allow me to flesh out the first factions more thoroughly, but I cannot help but feel like more faction starters will draw in more backers. I have the Empirial Mage sculpted and the first of the Empirial Melee minions sculpted as well. That gives me the basis for those which means they can be wrapped up rather quickly and for the mutants I have the first of the melee minions sculpted, the first of the war beast minions sculpted and the first of their elites sculpted as well. I am very tempted to just go ahead and get those sculpted and mastered as well.

Decisions decisions.......

Sounds good, lots of ks struggle with just having concept art. I'm looking forward to seeing the artwork, to see what kind of world your building.

I understand your being skittish after the Trollforge debacle. I would be too. I think this will be different because it's not an unknown material. I'll support whatever you do. I'm just excited about this new range. This is why I'm holding off on Mierces KS.


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I'm in the Dwarven Forge KS. Your scale works perfect with them.

Yea, I would love to see some concepts etc. too to pull me farther away from the Mierce KS. I think I have one KS worth of funds in me right now, and really I think I could get a lot more value out of a RBG one now, so long as there is stuff I want. Eagerly looking forward to what you've got!

 tre manor wrote:


Too many competing products in the market right now. I am aiming at mid April or early May. I will be taking full advantage of the intervening time to get as much of the front end work done as possible. I have Dave Needham working on the art elements already and I am also in talks with a few other artists as well. The Undead starter set is done. Now I am working on finishing the Barbarians set. I figure I can be done with that by the end of the week next week. After that I will finish up the Amazons set.

I know that limiting the scope of the launch will allow me to flesh out the first factions more thoroughly, but I cannot help but feel like more faction starters will draw in more backers. I have the Empirial Mage sculpted and the first of the Empirial Melee minions sculpted as well. That gives me the basis for those which means they can be wrapped up rather quickly and for the mutants I have the first of the melee minions sculpted, the first of the war beast minions sculpted and the first of their elites sculpted as well. I am very tempted to just go ahead and get those sculpted and mastered as well.

Decisions decisions.......

Noone understands what's involved in fulfilling either option better than you Tre.
Anyone advocating caution is just a big fan who wants to see you realise the success that KS1 promised.
Honestly I think the three factions you are planning to lead with will be your big sellers, it might be better to roll the Mutants and Empirials in there as well out of completeness as I wouldn't have thought that a Mutants and Empirials KS would do quite as well by itself.

Ha!

I'm in for Mierce, and I dropped Dwarven Forge in anticipation here.

I'll be in for 100% on this one when it launches though!

Will it be possible to also get the infantry model in resin ?

That would be a nice option...

I'm just really excited about this new project in general. Metal is great. Plastic would probably involve way too much fidling and investment on your end Tre. I've still never touched troll cast, and I would love too, but I'm aware of the circumstances that took place awhile back with both you and Jodi's Imbrian Arts project and the material.

Anyways, this will be great.