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Well done, Jim! I can't really disagree with any of your moves in this game, or your analysis. Your list is a tough one to play against for just about any army out there, let alone for someone who hasn't played against it yet. I was hoping to see a little more of a tactical game on her part - her actions were a bit inconsistent, which doesn't generally make for favorable results.

If I'm playing against something I don't really know how to deal with, I generally just go full-out aggressive and target the stuff I'm unsure of. Not sure if that would have worked for Lyzz, but playing passive against someone who is known to be a good player seems like an excellent way to get taken apart.

Looking forward to reading your later matches, you haven't really been challenged yet.


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iGuy91 wrote:Ooof. Ouch.Talk about thinking 3 steps ahead. It's impressive how you manage to make your opponents play your game like that, and dictate the way it all plays out.

y0disisray wrote:Man Jim that just shows a master tactician at work! I really enjoyed the moves you made in this game it really shows how well of a player you actually are.

herpguy wrote:Wow this was a battle of pure skill. This is one of the best batreps I have read. You clearly outplayed her, there wasn't any luck involved here.

Jim, are you actually the second coming of Alexander the Great like the rumors say?

Great game but the lyzz's list is not a hard one, i think she have no chance at all to win against yours.

Jim, are you actually the second coming of Alexander the Great like the rumors say?

Nah, he's too short

I'm curious to see the reports of what happened later in the tournament and how you missed out on the top 8.

 SwistakCZC wrote:
Thanks for answering as well as posting rest of second battle report.

In matter of resorb there is one more issue- there are a lot of situations when opponent is able to place models in such manner that d.lord cant return to play, beacause of 1" space between him and enemy model. But good point that orbs can fight

You can minimize this situation with experience. So far, this probably happens to me maybe 1 in 20 attempts to get back up (where I lose my Lord). Some tips:

1. Assault with your wraiths. Form a wall where your opponent can't pile in past it. This always gives your Lord an "out" to get back up. Even a unit of 2 wraiths will greatly improve his chances.

2. Avoid assaulting large mobs with just your Lord or with few wraiths. This is where most of the time they can't get back up. But if you have to do it, then don't hesitate to. Winning the game is more important than making sure your Lord gets back up.

3. Use your own vehicles or even terrain to form "walls" where you can safely get back up from.

4. If it's just the Lord or Lord + 1 wraith, go after the smaller units. You need bodies to fully cover the space to prevent a Lord from getting back up and usually, small units just cannot do it.

5. Pray your opponent rolls low for his consolidation.

Basically, when you assault, just watch out for situations where you can improve your Lord's chances to get back up. But more importantly, don't hesitate to assault if it would give your army the advantage. Your Lord is just a pawn to be sacrificed if he can bring your army closer to victory.

 SwistakCZC wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

There's so many games I've won because my D-lords kept getting back up. If not for my res orbs, I wouldn't be perfect against Tau and Eldar (haven't lost to them yet ). It's also demoralizing to my opponent when my lords get back up over and over again.

Youre right that psychological aspect is also imporant in this game. Maybe I will try your tactic to have those orbs on d.lords, it can be also helpful when at the end of game you want to tank warriors unit with d.lord, res orb increases their survivability when you went first, and troops need to survive on objecrive. Have you played against tau/eldar at LVO?

No I didn't.

 SwistakCZC wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
That was an unfortunate game for her

Yup but she made some mistakes, after reading the whole rep I think she used portal too early, it was kill point game and she just give some kp for Jy, it may landed later and elswhere, too spread out wraiths or be used as bait i think Its strange that she had beaten Alan B. (I know him, beacause USA team played with Polish team this year on ETC and one of my pal played against him and told me hes very good player).

My philosphy is this - don't be afraid to make sacrifices if it will bring you closer to victory. The Primary was the Scouring. Purge was only Secondary. Thus, she was willing to give up the Secondary in order to try to win the Primary. That was actually her best chance for victory because my VP's were just too hard to get. There's almost no way for her to win both unless she could table me, which wasn't going to happen today. Thus, if I were in her shoes, I would have done the same thing. I agree with her tactics on deploying the Portaglyph so early.

Yeah, I haven't played against Alan, but I know he's good. He's won several GT's here in the US and made it to I believe the Top 4 in this tournament. But don't under-estimate Lyzz. She made some mistakes this game due to her unfamiliarity with my army, but she's still a very good player. If we were to play again, I think it's going to be a much tougher fight for my necrons the next time we meet, especially now that she's got some experience under her belt.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Ooof. Ouch.Talk about thinking 3 steps ahead. It's impressive how you manage to make your opponents play your game like that, and dictate the way it all plays out.

It's all about the moves and counter-moves. I was better able to predict/anticipate her moves than she was mine as I was much more familiar with the capabilities of her army than she was of mine.

astro_nomicon wrote:
@Jy2

So, seeing that it was strategically unsound for the Daemons to begin play defensively, how would you have played against your army?

With the benefit of hindsight, this is what I was thinking:

Turn 1:
Maintain the aggressive scout move with the dogs, and continue forward with them towards the necron bubble. but should do so in a tight formation

Seekers should follow as closely behind as possible. And clump up.

This is where it gets a little dodgy but I think it might work: Cast nearly all available buffs on the Screamers (Invisibility, Prescience, Forewarning, Grimoire) and turboboost with them to spread out and screen for the Seekers and Hounds. This is obviously an expensive speed bump, but a mighty durable one.

Daemon Prince buffs up, and Fatey hangs back and shoots from his max range.

This way there's really no way you could take out the Screamers with shooting, and given careful positioning, there should be almost no way you can make an assault on the hounds or the seekers. If your necrons chose to take the bait, then the Hounds, Seekers, and Prince are in position for a fairly devastating counter charge. If you choose not to take the bait (and juicy bait it is), then you have just conceded considerable board control to the daemons who will continue to hunt you down.

Tactically sound or should I go back to school?

Great strategy. This is what I would have done:

1. Put Prescience, Forewarning and Grimoire on the screamers. Turbo-boost them to about 12" away from my wraiths. They will be the frontline screening unit.

2. Follow them up with the flesh hounds and then the seekers behind the hounds. Make sure to keep a little distance to prevent the multi-assault.

3. Put Endurance on the flesh hounds and Invisibility on the Seekers. These will be the counter-assault units. Or particular importance are the seekers. They are the heavy hitters in her army. Thus, Invisibility for the 2+ cover (from the screening hounds and screamers) to ensure they hit my wraiths at full strength.

4. As Kairos and the DP are unprotected at the moment, keep them back, either out of range of my annihilation barges or out of LOS. They are ok on Turn 1 and will have time to power up (i.e. Invisibility on Fatey) before my reserves come in on Turn 2. Make sure to leave a few trailing models from the units that you are going to buff next turn - flesh hounds and seekers - so that Kairos can still cast his powers on them next turn.

5. You want to try to get the DP into assault on Turn 2. So the trick is to position him such that he is safe from my shooting on Turn 1 and at the same time, within charge range for Turn 2.

6. Counter-assault with the rest of your army if I assault his screamers on T1. Just be aware that I will probably counter-assault your counter-assaulters as well. Lol.


Of course, I am aware of this strategy as well and will have a Plan B if she were to play this way. Can we say, "multi-assault, combat-res death-by-Daemonic-Instability"?





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 Commander_Farsight wrote:
That was a painful loss for Daemons... I think that without the mistakes and a slightly better list (this is of course just IMO) then it could have been different. A flying circus might have done better.

Flying Circus might have done better against other armies....but not against me. Mindshackle scarabs and tesla destructors just love FMC's.

 y0disisray wrote:
Man Jim that just shows a master tactician at work! I really enjoyed the moves you made in this game it really shows how well of a player you actually are.

Thanks.

 iddy00711 wrote:
To be fair to her, defensive play is the right thing to do when you have no idea how powerful your opponents army is, but she should have stayed outside of your threat bobble and hide from your fliers when they came in. Pure aggressive play is more of a 5th ed. play style, 6th ed. is more about intelligent placement, patience and cohesion (which ive learnt from my 2 weeks playing 6th lol).

Agreed. That is just the natural instinct of most players when going up against the unknown.

Also, never play aggressively just because your army is aggressive. Play as the situation dictates and allow for some flexbility. Sometimes, hiding is a good strategy even if it is counter to your army's natural tendencies, especially when you are going up against a bad matchup.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
It's interesting she doesn't have much experience vs Necrons and this list is pretty standard for competitive play. It's always tough facing a solid army you don't know well in a tournament... Lizzy was bound to make some mistakes and they were quite costly. I'm sure if there was a rematch she would give you a better game.

Must not be a lot of necron players in her local meta. It's funny how necrons have died down since Adepticon where they were the pre-eminent army.

Yeah, if we were to play again, I think it will be a much tougher fight for me.

 herpguy wrote:
Wow this was a battle of pure skill. This is one of the best batreps I have read. You clearly outplayed her, there wasn't any luck involved here.

Anyways, with her seekers being that fragile they really couldn't afford being out of the fight for another turn.

I could nitpick on what I would have done but Monday Morning Quarterbacks annoy me so I won't be one!

Thanks.

If there was 1 criticism I would make about her game, it would be that she didn't really seem to know what to do with Invisibility. Perhaps she just doesn't have much experience using it. I'd have cast it on the seekers on Turn 2.

As for Fateweaver, I'd have used the screamers to "block" the incoming flight paths of my night scythes (she actually almost did, even though she was not aware of it). Either that or fly Fatey off the table. I wouldn't fault her on this though, because she just wasn't familiar enough with what my night scythes can do to her FMC's.

 jy2 wrote:

You can minimize this situation with experience. So far, this probably happens to me maybe 1 in 20 attempts to get back up (where I lose my Lord). Some tips:

1. Assault with your wraiths. Form a wall where your opponent can't pile in past it. This always gives your Lord an "out" to get back up. Even a unit of 2 wraiths will greatly improve his chances.

2. Avoid assaulting large mobs with just your Lord or with few wraiths. This is where most of the time they can't get back up. But if you have to do it, then don't hesitate to. Winning the game is more important than making sure your Lord gets back up.

3. Use your own vehicles or even terrain to form "walls" where you can safely get back up from.

4. If it's just the Lord or Lord + 1 wraith, go after the smaller units. You need bodies to fully cover the space to prevent a Lord from getting back up and usually, small units just cannot do it.

5. Pray your opponent rolls low for his consolidation.

Basically, when you assault, just watch out for situations where you can improve your Lord's chances to get back up. But more importantly, don't hesitate to assault if it would give your army the advantage. Your Lord is just a pawn to be sacrificed if he can bring your army closer to victory.

Yeah youre right, I know that sometimes its nescessary to sacrifce some units if needed. I have tried some tricks already especially no. 5 (its most dangerous when whole unit is whiped out, d.lord is most frequently in frontline to make use of his mss, so after consolidation its very hard to get him back due to large base and required 1" distance from enemy) But seriously no. 3 is very nice suggestion. I have to place models carefully. Thanks!

 jy2 wrote:

Spoiler:

astro_nomicon wrote:
@Jy2

So, seeing that it was strategically unsound for the Daemons to begin play defensively, how would you have played against your army?

With the benefit of hindsight, this is what I was thinking:

Turn 1:
Maintain the aggressive scout move with the dogs, and continue forward with them towards the necron bubble. but should do so in a tight formation

Seekers should follow as closely behind as possible. And clump up.

This is where it gets a little dodgy but I think it might work: Cast nearly all available buffs on the Screamers (Invisibility, Prescience, Forewarning, Grimoire) and turboboost with them to spread out and screen for the Seekers and Hounds. This is obviously an expensive speed bump, but a mighty durable one.

Daemon Prince buffs up, and Fatey hangs back and shoots from his max range.

This way there's really no way you could take out the Screamers with shooting, and given careful positioning, there should be almost no way you can make an assault on the hounds or the seekers. If your necrons chose to take the bait, then the Hounds, Seekers, and Prince are in position for a fairly devastating counter charge. If you choose not to take the bait (and juicy bait it is), then you have just conceded considerable board control to the daemons who will continue to hunt you down.

Tactically sound or should I go back to school?

Great strategy. This is what I would have done:

1. Put Prescience, Forewarning and Grimoire on the screamers. Turbo-boost them to about 12" away from my wraiths. They will be the frontline screening unit.

2. Follow them up with the flesh hounds and then the seekers behind the hounds. Make sure to keep a little distance to prevent the multi-assault.

3. Put Endurance on the flesh hounds and Invisibility on the Seekers. These will be the counter-assault units. Or particular importance are the seekers. They are the heavy hitters in her army. Thus, Invisibility for the 2+ cover (from the screening hounds and screamers) to ensure they hit my wraiths at full strength.

4. As Kairos and the DP are unprotected at the moment, keep them back, either out of range of my annihilation barges or out of LOS. They are ok on Turn 1 and will have time to power up (i.e. Invisibility on Fatey) before my reserves come in on Turn 2. Make sure to leave a few trailing models from the units that you are going to buff next turn - flesh hounds and seekers - so that Kairos can still cast his powers on them next turn.

5. You want to try to get the DP into assault on Turn 2. So the trick is to position him such that he is safe from my shooting on Turn 1 and at the same time, within charge range for Turn 2.

6. Counter-assault with the rest of your army if I assault his screamers on T1. Just be aware that I will probably counter-assault your counter-assaulters as well. Lol.


Of course, I am aware of this strategy as well and will have a Plan B if she were to play this way. Can we say, "multi-assault, combat-res death-by-Daemonic-Instability"?

What would you do against that strategy as Necron? Assault screen with one wraiths squad and prepare the rest of army for counter-assault? Or rather back out, shoot and wait for more convenient moment for assault?

 Xaereth wrote:
Well done, Jim! I can't really disagree with any of your moves in this game, or your analysis. Your list is a tough one to play against for just about any army out there, let alone for someone who hasn't played against it yet. I was hoping to see a little more of a tactical game on her part - her actions were a bit inconsistent, which doesn't generally make for favorable results.

If I'm playing against something I don't really know how to deal with, I generally just go full-out aggressive and target the stuff I'm unsure of. Not sure if that would have worked for Lyzz, but playing passive against someone who is known to be a good player seems like an excellent way to get taken apart.

Looking forward to reading your later matches, you haven't really been challenged yet.

Spoiler:

iGuy91 wrote:Ooof. Ouch.Talk about thinking 3 steps ahead. It's impressive how you manage to make your opponents play your game like that, and dictate the way it all plays out.

y0disisray wrote:Man Jim that just shows a master tactician at work! I really enjoyed the moves you made in this game it really shows how well of a player you actually are.

herpguy wrote:Wow this was a battle of pure skill. This is one of the best batreps I have read. You clearly outplayed her, there wasn't any luck involved here.

Jim, are you actually the second coming of Alexander the Great like the rumors say?

Thanks Adam. I was hoping I'd get the chance to play against you, Nick Rose and Justin Cook but it just wasn't meant to be. Congrats on a fine performance at the LVO.

The only problem with her list is that she had no shooting really. So for her to go full-out aggressive would mean that she would have to move up and let me assault her. Otherwise, if she stays out of my assault range, I would have just continued shooting at her army (or backed up and shot at her army, at least for 1 more turn before I start moving out).

My army was just a bad matchup for hers. I can fight as well as she can in combat, but I have much better shooting and air superiority.

tetsuo666 wrote:
Great game but the lyzz's list is not a hard one, i think she have no chance at all to win against yours.

She did, but it just would have been an uphill battle for her. My list is just a tough army for her to play against, even if she was familiar with it.

 The Everliving wrote:

Jim, are you actually the second coming of Alexander the Great like the rumors say?

Nah, he's too short

I'm curious to see the reports of what happened later in the tournament and how you missed out on the top 8.

Lol.

I see myself more as this tactician:



Congrats on your victory, Alex. I shall have to get a game in against you in the future. BTW, I got punked by my own roomate, the guy who played against you in the Finals.





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 SwistakCZC wrote:

Spoiler:

 jy2 wrote:

Great strategy. This is what I would have done:

1. Put Prescience, Forewarning and Grimoire on the screamers. Turbo-boost them to about 12" away from my wraiths. They will be the frontline screening unit.

2. Follow them up with the flesh hounds and then the seekers behind the hounds. Make sure to keep a little distance to prevent the multi-assault.

3. Put Endurance on the flesh hounds and Invisibility on the Seekers. These will be the counter-assault units. Or particular importance are the seekers. They are the heavy hitters in her army. Thus, Invisibility for the 2+ cover (from the screening hounds and screamers) to ensure they hit my wraiths at full strength.

4. As Kairos and the DP are unprotected at the moment, keep them back, either out of range of my annihilation barges or out of LOS. They are ok on Turn 1 and will have time to power up (i.e. Invisibility on Fatey) before my reserves come in on Turn 2. Make sure to leave a few trailing models from the units that you are going to buff next turn - flesh hounds and seekers - so that Kairos can still cast his powers on them next turn.

5. You want to try to get the DP into assault on Turn 2. So the trick is to position him such that he is safe from my shooting on Turn 1 and at the same time, within charge range for Turn 2.

6. Counter-assault with the rest of your army if I assault his screamers on T1. Just be aware that I will probably counter-assault your counter-assaulters as well. Lol.


Of course, I am aware of this strategy as well and will have a Plan B if she were to play this way. Can we say, "multi-assault, combat-res death-by-Daemonic-Instability"?

What would you do against that strategy as Necron? Assault screen with one wraiths squad and prepare the rest of army for counter-assault? Or rather back out, shoot and wait for more convenient moment for assault?

Yup. The screamerstar is a tarpit unit, so why throw all my wraiths into them just to have all my wraiths tarpitted? I'd have assaulted with my naked 6-wraith unit (D-lord would have joined the 5-wraith unit), let her counter-assault my naked wraith unit and then assault her counter-assaulters with the rest of my army. Then kill off her units with Daemonic Instability tests.

The truth is Daemons struggle against Wraithwing since they're actually worse than the Wraiths in cc, and get forced to take DI tests en masse. Also, Abarge shooting > Daemon shooting.

If only the screamerstar could get hit and run, maybe it would be more useful.

Looking forward to game 3

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
The truth is Daemons struggle against Wraithwing since they're actually worse than the Wraiths in cc, and get forced to take DI tests en masse. Also, Abarge shooting > Daemon shooting.

If only the screamerstar could get hit and run, maybe it would be more useful.

Not sure if youre right, if you play against daemon list with 3-4 heralds, screamers and double hounds you may find it unpleasant. Lots of heralds generate huge amount of tzeentch dakka which combined with misfortune can be deadly for wraiths. A.barges are deadly but they can shoot us as well effectively. You can add another problem when they stop our wraiths- tied in close combat or wiped out, we have problem to kill horrors on objectives since they have 3+ cover in area terrain with rerollable 1's.

They're not easy one, but crons are able to acheive crushing win if played well.

Game #3 vs White Scars Space Marines



1750 Pure Necrons (My list)

Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackle Scarabs, ResOrb
Destroyer Lord - 2+, Mindshackle Scarabs, ResOrb

5x Immortals - Gauss Blasters, Night Scythe
5x Immortals - Gauss Blasters, Night Scythe
5x Warriors - Night Scythe

6x Canoptek Wraiths
5x Canoptek Wraiths
5x Canoptek Wraiths

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge



1750 Space Marines


Dan, Dan "Superman". Poor Dan, he's never been able to beat me yet. It's not because he lacks the skill. Dan is actually a really good player and recently won the Feast of Blades Open with his White Scars. It's just that every time we've played, it just seems like his dice just sh*ts on him. Lol. Maybe I'm just his cooler. In any case, his 5th Ed. bikers have now become one of the best non-deathstar armies currently, and I've never played against a full 6th Ed. White Scars army before. Let's see what a difference 1 edition makes.


For some reason, I can't find his list so this is approximately what he brought.


Ko'sorro Khan - Moondraken
Chapter Master - Bike, Shield Eternal, Power Fist, 2+

5x Bikers - 2x Flamers, Combi-flamer
4x Bikers - 2x Grav-guns, Combi-grav, Multi-melta Attack Bike
4x Bikers - 2x Grav-guns, Combi-grav, Multi-melta Attack Bike
4x Bikers - 2x Grav-guns, Combi-grav, Multi-melta Attack Bike
4x Bikers - 2x Grav-guns, Combi-grav, Multi-melta Attack Bike
5x Scouts - Snipers

Stormtalon - Skyhammer
Stormtalon - Skyhammer

Thunderfire Cannon
Thunderfire Cannon


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Mission: Bay Area Open

Primary - The Relic, 4-pts

Secondary - Big Guns Never Tire, 3-pts

Bonuses - First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord, 1-pt each


Deployment: Vanguard Strike


Initiative: Space Marines


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PRE-GAME THOUGHTS:

Man, I wished I could have practiced against the new White Scars. The only game I have had against them so far was 1 game against a semi-biker army with a Land Raider Achilles. But I am glad to play against them, even if it's in the tournament. I'd love to see how my wraithwing crons can pick them apart.

I think this will be a bad matchup for my opponent. One of the main strengths of the new White Scars is their grav-guns. Well, my wraiths could care less about those grav-guns. One of the biggest weaknesses of a biker army is against flyers. Hello night scythes! Stormtalons give them some anti-flyer firepower but the problem is, he is going first. That means most likely my flyers will be coming in after his. Thunderfires are good units. Unfortunately for my opponent, I don't really care about them either. If I spread out, most likely he will be hitting 1 or 2 models at most per hit. They won't be able to do nearly enough damage to my wraiths. I think, barring extreme dice, I should be able to take this game quite handily. I just hope I am not under-estimating my opponent and his army too much.


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Deployment:




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Space Marines 1




Necrons 1




Space Marines 2




Necrons 2




Space Marines 3




Necrons 3




Space Marines 4




Necrons 4




Space Marines 5




Necrons 5




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POST-GAME THOUGHTS:

Jim always has my number. Or has bribed my dice. Either way, they are always fun games and usually close (usually).

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
The truth is Daemons struggle against Wraithwing since they're actually worse than the Wraiths in cc, and get forced to take DI tests en masse. Also, Abarge shooting > Daemon shooting.

If only the screamerstar could get hit and run, maybe it would be much more useful (totally broken).

Fixed that for you... Plus MSS is really bad news versus any unit at Ld7. Daemons can best the toaster heads but you have to bring a solid battle plan to the table to succeed.

Come on Captn Dees, you need to add a spoiler tag!

Fair enough... though his first post he pretty much said how he did day one...

That is like spoiling Titanic...

Titanic? Wait I don't want to know!

Battle report should be coming out tonight.

 Captn Dees wrote:
Jim always has my number. Or has bribed my dice. Either way, they are always fun games and usually close (usually).

Spoiler:

Someday I'll get you Jim, soooommeeeedaaaay! <shakes fist at sky>

Khan on Moondraken
Chapter Master, Bike, Shield Eternal, Power Fist, Art Armor
5 Bikes 2 Flamers, Combi Flamer
4 Bikes + Attack Bike- 2x Grav, Combi Grav, Multi Melta
4 Bikes + Attack Bike- 2x Grav, Combi Grav, Multi Melta
4 Bikes + Attack Bike- 2x Grav, Combi Grav, Multi Melta
4 Bikes + Attack Bike- 2x Grav, Combi Grav, Multi Melta
5 Sniper Scouts
Storm Talon, Skyhammer
Storm Talon, Skyhammer
Thunderfire
Thunderfire

Given my loss to you was close I made it to table 8 in round 5 to play for the last finals spot, but then had to play Darkwynn who crushed me! Still I had 5 great games against tough opponents and a totally awesome time.

Thanks Dan. List updated.

Always a pleasure to play against you.

Naw wrote:
That is like spoiling Titanic...

Lol.

Or any romantic comedy movie out there.


Most people already know the results. But there are some of those who don't. That's why I don't normally reveal the endings until the end, for those select few who don't follow the tournament results.

 jy2 wrote:


I see myself more as this tactician:

But... But... Napoleon LOST. He overextended militarily and politically.

Why not this cheerful fellow?

He got the job done, by golly.

Still find the old roman tactics of Scipio Africanus and the likes worth reading and interpreting, they still help me in games.

Great games so far. Jim you just went and tanked all these poor people chances at top 8. Great job.

Lookin forward to the continuation and thanks for the batreps as always.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 jy2 wrote:


I see myself more as this tactician:

But... But... Napoleon LOST. He overextended militarily and politically.

Why not this cheerful fellow?

He got the job done, by golly.

Thanks for the history lesson

Game #3 completed.

Quick question:

How did your opponent have the str5 hammer of wrath CT and also have the hit and run CT. Arn't you only able to take one chapter trait per chapter per detachment?

Unless I and every player I've ever played since the SM book came out is wrong: you get both in the White Scars Chapter Tactic. You don't choose which of "Born in the Saddle" and "Fight on the Move" from the CT, you get both under the White Scar Chapter Tactic.

I believe the same is true of all the Chapter Tactics. You aren't choosing what bits of the CT, you just get the whole CT for the Chapter.

That 3rd game was intense, those bikers almost had you J

It was a great game, and we both played really well.

My one mistake was being too greedy at the beginning, and then a bit unlucky in failing that LD. That first blood was basically the decider, but there was no guarantee I would have gotten that point anyway.

AND if I recall the game actually went on too, another turn or maybe even two (too much beer that whole weekend to remember details). However it was basically a slap fight that worked in my favor to hold that relic.

So while I had some bad luck I had some good luck to claw out some points to keep me in the running for the finals.

Jy2 is slowly become my arch nemesis it would seem.

@ Capt Dees

Arnt they two CT per one chapter. According to the book do you choose one chapter tactic after choosing your chapter. Im paraphrasing so that description may not be 100% accurate.

So you

A. Choose your chapter (White Scars)
B. Choose your chapter Tactic (Born in the saddle) or (Fight on the Move)

Again I could be wrong can anyone else weigh in.

If you have a White Scars army, you get Born in the Saddle and Fight on the Move as your Chapter Tactic. The same way that IF ( and their successors ) get Bolter Drill and Tank Hunters ( for Dev squads and Cent Devs ).

Just because it is split into 2 parts, does not mean you have to pick one of them.

Great reports and the cooler, a very funny miniwargaming.com reference... very good !! Keep it going, still learning ans still enjoying

I would love to see you use Space Wolves sometime, beesides the Land Raider list you did...Any chance of that happening soon or if/when the new codex comes out?

Very fine report. It was tight match. White scars aint the easiest opponents for wraithwing

Moreover if you dont know this army you may fall in some traps, but it is general rule for every army

I have small hint you if you dont know this army- watch out for even more menacing form of bikers army I mean WS allied with DA Theyre specialised in killing wraithwing in my opinion. They own much more dangerous shooting (plasma talons combined with rad granade= obvious instanting our wraiths), divination from da libby and also white scars may have some tricks for better close combat e.g. land speeder storm (which causes blind on wraiths- much more easier to kill them in assault that way).