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In the Necron fluff, the Silent King leaves the galaxy for 60 million years while the rest of the Necrons (apart from the triarch) are sleeping. When he returns, he goes around the galaxy trying to unite all the Necrons against the Tyranids. Could he have been to see the Tyranids devour another galaxy and know that the race most likely to beat them were Necrons, since the Tyranids can't use them (or their tomb worlds, for the most part) as biomass.

Entirely possible, although I think it's more likely that he was just sulking under the north pole.

The Silent King encounters the Tyranids in the void between galaxies rather than within another galaxy.

I know that's what the codex actually says, but all Szarekh would have seen is a huge floating lump of matter that probably wouldn't have looked dangerous or threatening. He also seemed to know (to an extent) what the Tyranids were capable of. He wouldn't have been able to tell any of this from simply seeing a hibernating lump of biomass floating through space.

Unless of course he took samples from the swarm of bioforms for study. If you can invent the technology of the Necrons, you don't need to see Tyranids work firsthand to know what they are capable of.

Animus wrote:
The Silent King encounters the Tyranids in the void between galaxies rather than within another galaxy.

No reason why both cannot be the case.

While wandering the great dark beyond, the Silent King encounters the Tyranids, an unimaginably vast organism on a direct course for our galaxy. He may well have determined their point of origin, dropped by their last galaxy and found nothing but dead worlds and the tell-tale signs of Tyranid feeding. I think that would add a certain something to the story actually, both impressing upon the setting the galaxy-crushing power of the Tyranids and also the technological awesome of the Necrons (that the Silent King was able to hop between galaxies has to count for something).

Also quite amusing that it looks like the "only sane man" when it comes to the Tyranid threat is a genocidal robot who killed his own gods...

They weren't gods, they were genies. >>

No, the C'tan were star gods, like the chaos gods, except the C'tan didn't need to hide in the warp. Although in hindsight, that could have been better for them.

Volo Dynasty wrote:
No, the C'tan were star gods, like the chaos gods, except the C'tan didn't need to hide in the warp. Although in hindsight, that could have been better for them.

They were really more like genies than they were gods, and definitely nothing like the chaos gods. As for hiding in the warp, unless they changed the fluff, C'tan pretty much have an allergy to the warp (hint: it destroys them).

Interestingly, the bit about the Silent King in the intergalactic void presents a bit of an issue, you see once upon a time, the Necrons traveled at relativistic feeds using what was known as 'phase drive' which allowed them to exceed the speed of light without leaving 'real space'. Then, one day, a fluff-troll named Matt Ward came along and changed that, so now Necrons use the webway to travel at faster than light speeds. The problem? The webway, and the warp, don't exist beyond the borders of the galaxy (unless they changed that too), meaning that if the Silent King was buggering about in the intergalactic void, he must have been doing it at sublight speeds, besides the fact that this would preclude him from travelling to another galaxy and back before the Tyranids got here, it would also mean that... well, simply put there is no way for him to beat the Tyranids back, as the Tyranids CAN travel FTL in realspace via use of Narvahls.

Where in the Cron codex does it say that crons lost there star drive tech? cos since that book came out we have several sources showing that they have infact still got it?

I can't find the narwhals in the new codex though.
A retcon for another?

Where in the Cron codex does it say that crons lost there star drive tech? cos since that book came out we have several sources showing that they have infact still got it?

I don't have the book, but I remember hearing something about how they use "torchships" now, which usually in sci-fi are sub-light ships. Not much anymore about their inertia-less drives.

chaos0xomega wrote:
As for hiding in the warp, unless they changed the fluff, C'tan pretty much have an allergy to the warp (hint: it destroys them).

Well I don't think that was ever really said, just that they didn't like it. And it actually did change. Sources such as the Outer Reach have C'tan devouring souls, and the Cypher Dataslate has Cypher battling with a C'tan in the Warp.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Interestingly, the bit about the Silent King in the intergalactic void presents a bit of an issue, you see once upon a time, the Necrons traveled at relativistic feeds using what was known as 'phase drive' which allowed them to exceed the speed of light without leaving 'real space'.

I'm pretty sure it was inertialess drives, not phase drives.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The problem? The webway, and the warp, don't exist beyond the borders of the galaxy (unless they changed that too),

They've not changed that, because the webway and warp not limited to the galaxy. The Warp is an entire parallel universe and in the Old Necron Codex the Old Ones had webway paths that led to other Galaxies.

chaos0xomega wrote:
meaning that if the Silent King was buggering about in the intergalactic void, he must have been doing it at sublight speeds, besides the fact that this would preclude him from travelling to another galaxy and back before the Tyranids got here, it would also mean that... well, simply put there is no way for him to beat the Tyranids back, as the Tyranids CAN travel FTL in realspace via use of Narvahls.

There's really nothing said that the Necrons cannot travel FTL without the webway, just that it's really slow, which isn't saying much given the scale of the galaxy. The Necrons could travel ten times the speed of light and still take ten thousand years to go from one end of the galaxy to the other for example.

 Formosa wrote:
Where in the Cron codex does it say that crons lost there star drive tech?

Page 8, in the Dolmen Gate box.

"without access to the webway, they would be forced to rely once more on slow-voyaging stasis-ships, dooming them to isolation."

 Formosa wrote:
cos since that book came out we have several sources showing that they have infact still got it?

And they would be?

Warzone Damnos has the imps getting the crap kicked out of them in space, no mention of webways and unless its been directly retconned they still have the inertialess drives, just adding that they now use the webway doesnt overwrite all the previous fluff on the Crons fleet.

 Formosa wrote:
Warzone Damnos has the imps getting the crap kicked out of them in space, no mention of webways

No mention of inertialess drives either as far as I can see.

 Formosa wrote:
and unless its been directly retconned they still have the inertialess drives, just adding that they now use the webway doesnt overwrite all the previous fluff on the Crons fleet.

I'd say that was a dodgy assumption given the scale of the rewrite the Necrons underwent, but in this case it has been retconned and only about two steps down from getting slapped in the face with a wet fish in terms of explicitness. The Old Necrons' had ships that could cross the galaxy "in the blink of an eye" via their inertialess drives, now even if you don't take that as a literal speed, it surely gives the impression of great speed. The Necrons as they are now however are "forced to rely on more on slow-voyaging stasis-ships" if they cannot access the webway.
Inertialess drives are either gone, or have had their capabilities nerfed into the ground.

Well, according to Fall of Orpheus, the Necron ships can cross an entire star system faster into range than the Imperial Navy can even issue orders to ready weapons.

They also appear with no warning through the Warp - any ship travelling through the Warp produces a bow wave that can be detected hours, sometimes days in advance, so we know they aren't using the Warp as a fact.

We also know from the ensuing space battle that the Necron ships can turn on a dime and are significantly faster than the Imperial equivalents. In fact, it literally describes them as "having flown past, arrested its inertia and turned back upon their course, coming right back at the Imperial ships from behind. It was an utter impossibility and yet it happened before his disbelieving eyes."

It also makes no mention of shields - we know that traditionally, Necron ships don't have any, but the codex mentions a Black Templar fleet taking the shields of a Tomb Ship down to enable a teleport strike.

In Fall of Orpheus, it's the outer shell of the ship itself that needs to be broken before anyone can teleport aboard (the outer hull blocks all scans).

When the Necrons began losing the space battle (well, one of their ships was badly damaged, not sure that counts) they simply "turned and blotted out the stars with its transit and began to accelerate away...' '...the black fleet disengaged, driven off but hardly defeated...' '...simply vanished without trace from the auguries of the handful of Imperial warships still able to track them; one second they registered, and the next they were gone.'

It also then refers people who want to play the space engagements back to the Battlefleet Gothic rules, where Necron FTL was codified, heavily implying that those rules are still current.

 Formosa wrote:
Where in the Cron codex does it say that crons lost there star drive tech? cos since that book came out we have several sources showing that they have infact still got it?

Aside from the fact that its explicitly stated that they used the webway to travel faster than light, and that without the webway they would have to use slow-moving stasis ships which would 'doom them to isolation'?

Animus wrote:

Well I don't think that was ever really said, just that they didn't like it. And it actually did change. Sources such as the Outer Reach have C'tan devouring souls, and the Cypher Dataslate has Cypher battling with a C'tan in the Warp.

I think it went beyond simply just 'not liking' the warp, the fluff indicated that the C'tan were powerless against the warp/warp entities, etc.

I'm pretty sure it was inertialess drives, not phase drives.

Same difference.

They've not changed that, because the webway and warp not limited to the galaxy. The Warp is an entire parallel universe and in the Old Necron Codex the Old Ones had webway paths that led to other Galaxies.

Errr, yes the warp/webway are limited to the galaxy by virtue of the simple fact that the warp is driven by and created from the emotional/spiritual energy of living creatures, due to the fact that there is NOTHING in the intergalactic void to provide this energy, there is no warp in that area either. Thats actually written somewhere, though I can't remember where I found it. And to my knowledge,no the Old Ones didn't use the webway to travel to other galaxies.

There's really nothing said that the Necrons cannot travel FTL without the webway, just that it's really slow, which isn't saying much given the scale of the galaxy. The Necrons could travel ten times the speed of light and still take ten thousand years to go from one end of the galaxy to the other for example.

Fair enough, either way I doubt they'd be outpacing the Tyranids.

Regarding Fall of Orpheus, check the publication date, its pre Matt Ward Necrons, none of that stuff happened as its written anymore (barring a retcon of Matt Wards retcon).

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Fall of Orpheus is not "pre Matt Ward Necrons". Matt Ward wrote the Necron codex upon which the information in Fall of Orpheus was based.

That's why Night Scythes and Lychguard and the origins of the Flayer Virus being a destroyed C'tan are mentioned in it.

Just in case you need actual numbers;

Codex: Necrons (5th edition) first published in 2011 by Games Workshop
IA12, Fall of Orpheus first published in 2013 by Games Workshop

The warp/webway being limited to the galaxy makes no sense. The Warp is not "created from the emotions of living creatures", it is corrupted by them. That's why the Sensei can use "untainted warp energy" - they can draw on warp energy that's not being affected by emotions or souls and are at no risk of suffering Perils. If warp energy was created by living things, that would not be possible.

Phase Drives and Inertialess Drives are not the same thing. Phase Technology allows the Necrons to move through solid objects. Inertialess Drive technology allows the Necrons to stop dead in space and accelerate to relativity-breaking speeds. Completely different things.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, according to Fall of Orpheus, the Necron ships can cross an entire star system faster into range than the Imperial Navy can even issue orders to ready weapons.

They also appear with no warning through the Warp - any ship travelling through the Warp produces a bow wave that can be detected hours, sometimes days in advance, so we know they aren't using the Warp as a fact.

The Necrons don't use the Warp, they use the webway, so there'd be no detectable bow wave anyway.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
We also know from the ensuing space battle that the Necron ships can turn on a dime and are significantly faster than the Imperial equivalents. In fact, it literally describes them as "having flown past, arrested its inertia and turned back upon their course, coming right back at the Imperial ships from behind. It was an utter impossibility and yet it happened before his disbelieving eyes."

Which proves that they're fast in ship to ship combat, which is entirely different than velocity required for interstellar travel.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
When the Necrons began losing the space battle (well, one of their ships was badly damaged, not sure that counts) they simply "turned and blotted out the stars with its transit and began to accelerate away...' '...the black fleet disengaged, driven off but hardly defeated...' '...simply vanished without trace from the auguries of the handful of Imperial warships still able to track them; one second they registered, and the next they were gone.'

And Necrons can hide fleets and even planets from sensors via slipping into out of phase space.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It also then refers people who want to play the space engagements back to the Battlefleet Gothic rules, where Necron FTL was codified, heavily implying that those rules are still current.

Rules maybe, but the fluff is very clear in the Necron Codex.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think it went beyond simply just 'not liking' the warp, the fluff indicated that the C'tan were powerless against the warp/warp entities, etc.

Not really, the Nightbringer fought on even ground with Khaine, and the Enslavers were said to be no threat to the C'tan.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Errr, yes the warp/webway are limited to the galaxy by virtue of the simple fact that the warp is driven by and created from the emotional/spiritual energy of living creatures, due to the fact that there is NOTHING in the intergalactic void to provide this energy, there is no warp in that area either. Thats actually written somewhere, though I can't remember where I found it. And to my knowledge,no the Old Ones didn't use the webway to travel to other galaxies.

The Warp is not created by living creatures any more than our Universe is, living creatures can shape it but it was always there. Additionally there's nothing in the interstellar void either, but the Warp exists there just fine, deciding that it's can exist there but not outside the galaxy is entirely arbitrary. Well as I said, the Old Ones did have intergalactic network in the old Necron codex, "the Old Ones' intergalactic network was breached and lost to them" on page 26.

Animus wrote:


The Necrons don't use the Warp, they use the webway, so there'd be no detectable bow wave anyway.

Yes, I was just making sure that we had ruled out the warp completely. That said, you need a specific gate location to enter or exit the webway. That's why the Starblade had to hitch-hike on the Imperial fleet's warp fields when they went to the Halo Scar in Priests of Mars.

Which proves that they're fast in ship to ship combat, which is entirely different than velocity required for interstellar travel.

Which proves that they still have Inertialess Drives, because otherwise you can't make that kind of turn. Interstellar travel is another matter, as you say, and I really was hoping for something definitive from Orpheus.

And Necrons can hide fleets and even planets from sensors via slipping into out of phase space.

What is this 'phase space'? Is it like the Hyperspace Oubliettes that Deathmarks hide in? Or the space within a Hyperstone Maze? Phasing is the Necron technology to avoid interacting with the physical world. Please use more precise language if you want this discussion to go anywhere.

It's heavily implied that Deathmarks, at least, don't move within their Hyperspace Oubliettes, but that's all the information we really have about Necron Hyperspace technology. It's not specified whether it's the same technology as is used in their Teleporters and Portals, but it is implied to be used in their Exile weaponry (Transdimensional Beamer, Exile Cannon) - the fact that the Portal of Exile on the Monolith is a repurposing of the same door that it summons warriors through suggests that it is the same technology applied in different ways.

Rules maybe, but the fluff is very clear in the Necron Codex.

A single line of fluff that's contradicted elsewhere in the same codex (check the timeline section). Not really what I'd call 'very clear'.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think it went beyond simply just 'not liking' the warp, the fluff indicated that the C'tan were powerless against the warp/warp entities, etc.

Not really, the Nightbringer fought on even ground with Khaine, and the Enslavers were said to be no threat to the C'tan.

I believe it was the Eldar application of psionic powers that the Necrons struggled with - but then, in the original fluff that is the source of all information about C'tan/warp interaction, the Necrons were pretty much slaughtering the Elder Races until the Talismen of Vaul were thrown into the mix.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yes, I was just making sure that we had ruled out the warp completely. That said, you need a specific gate location to enter or exit the webway. That's why the Starblade had to hitch-hike on the Imperial fleet's warp fields when they went to the Halo Scar in Priests of Mars./

You can create temporary gates and tunnels as shown in the Path trilogy.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Which proves that they still have Inertialess Drives, because otherwise you can't make that kind of turn. Interstellar travel is another matter, as you say, and I really was hoping for something definitive from Orpheus.

It proves they have some sort of fast drives, even if you want to keep the name of inertialess drive it's capabilites are not the same.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
What is this 'phase space'? Is it like the Hyperspace Oubliettes that Deathmarks hide in? Or the space within a Hyperstone Maze? Phasing is the Necron technology to avoid interacting with the physical world. Please use more precise language if you want this discussion to go anywhere.

Out of phase space is as about as descriptive as I can give it to you says it's "out-of-phase reality."

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's heavily implied that Deathmarks, at least, don't move within their Hyperspace Oubliettes, but that's all the information we really have about Necron Hyperspace technology. It's not specified whether it's the same technology as is used in their Teleporters and Portals, but it is implied to be used in their Exile weaponry (Transdimensional Beamer, Exile Cannon) - the fact that the Portal of Exile on the Monolith is a repurposing of the same door that it summons warriors through suggests that it is the same technology applied in different ways.

'Hyperspace' is usually used to describe the webway in 40k and worm holes such as the Monolith portal are shown to be linked to the webway in Hammer and Anvil.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
A single line of fluff that's contradicted elsewhere in the same codex (check the timeline section). Not really what I'd call 'very clear'.

I can't see any contradictions, so it's very clear to me.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I believe it was the Eldar application of psionic powers that the Necrons struggled with - but then, in the original fluff that is the source of all information about C'tan/warp interaction, the Necrons were pretty much slaughtering the Elder Races until the Talismen of Vaul were thrown into the mix.

The C'tan Empire was sent reeling by the sudden surge of Psychic warrior races, but the Warp itself never seemed especially deadly as the C'tan survived getting smacked around by warp gods.

That is, if you assume that the Eldar Gods aren't just Old Ones.

The webway is never once mentioned in Hammer and Anvil, if only because none of the characters involved are even aware that the webway exists. The only thing that was shown in Hammer and Anvil was that the Necrons have a transit network and teleportation technology.

The Sisters who are teleported don't travel through the Webway, they are instantly moved from A to B.

I have never once heard of 'Hyperspace' being used to describe the webway. Not a single incidence. Citation, please.

Come on, when I weigh in on these arguments I usually type up quotes and sections to support my arguments. Where's the dedication in this discussion?!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
That is, if you assume that the Eldar Gods aren't just Old Ones.

Why would they be?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The webway is never once mentioned in Hammer and Anvil, if only because none of the characters involved are even aware that the webway exists. The only thing that was shown in Hammer and Anvil was that the Necrons have a transit network and teleportation technology.

It totally is mentioned.
"This portal, this alien gateway, was not meant for unprotected humans, and she could sense it trying to reject her. Miriya felt as if the power of the thing was actively repelling her flesh and blood, acting on it like the disparate poles of a magnet. Her skin crawled with sickening sensations that threatened to crack the Battle Sister’s iron resolve. This tunnel through nothingness skirted close to the psychic maelstrom of warp space, and she could feel the incredible pressure of the immaterium just beyond the walls of her own mind. It was so close."
When they pass through the wormhole, which takes them on a jaunt seemingly through the warp.

"‘Very different to the simple doorways we passed through,’ she intoned. ‘This is an engine of transmission far more powerful, capable of instantaneous conduction across vast tracts of interstellar space. A Dolmen Gate.’ Imogen sucked in a breath of dry air and forced herself to look upon it once more. Where the glow emanated, she saw something like a scrap of gossamer net, dancing as if borne by winds. It seemed to be pulling from the dust itself, formed out of nothingness. ‘Where does it lead?’ She dreaded the answer to the question. ‘Everywhere,’ said the revenant, retreating into the shadows. ‘The dolmen bores down into the matrix of the universe, the grid of line and power that underpins all things.’ She cocked her head. ‘The eldar have a name for that network. They call it “the webway”.’ Cassandra uttered a curse. ‘I have seen the Harlequins use that magick,’ she grated. ‘Tunnels through space, big enough to bring tanks and war machines from worlds away. You say the machines know this lore as well? How is that possible?’"
When they see the Dolmen Gate at the heart of the Obsidian Moon.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The Sisters who are teleported don't travel through the Webway, they are instantly moved from A to B.

Not instantly, after the Questor goes through it he calls it a "dimensional shunt corridor" which implies they are pushed along it by some mechanism.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I have never once heard of 'Hyperspace' being used to describe the webway. Not a single incidence. Citation, please.

"Though the webway still connects many Eldar planets and craftworld to one another, the baleful energies of the Fall ruptured many of its hyperspatial pathways." Codex Eldar page 12.
Eldrad's staff is also connected to the Infinity Circuit of Ulthwe via hyperspace.

Now we're talking.

Well, actually, no. Now you're talking. I'm shutting up, because you dredged up evidence that refutes some of my points.

The only thing I can think of to say right now is that a 'shunt' in a circuit is a cross-link or bypass that lets you skip around some other part of a system - for example, a medical shunt is a pipe used to circumvent a damaged blood vessel or an organ that a surgeon needs to work on. I find it more likely that this is what the Questor meant by 'shunt' than to imply that they were 'shunted along' in the railway sense.

I haven't read the new Eldar Codex, so I'll have to grant you that last point. The whole hyperspace thing is quite new to 40k. I think it's a ward-word.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Now we're talking.

Well, actually, no. Now you're talking. I'm shutting up, because you dredged up evidence that refutes some of my points.

There's no need to shut up, it's just a bit of friendly debate.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The only thing I can think of to say right now is that a 'shunt' in a circuit is a cross-link or bypass that lets you skip around some other part of a system - for example, a medical shunt is a pipe used to circumvent a damaged blood vessel or an organ that a surgeon needs to work on. I find it more likely that this is what the Questor meant by 'shunt' than to imply that they were 'shunted along' in the railway sense.

It all really derives from pushing, or forcing things to go another way, electrical currents, blood, trains, robots, all that.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I haven't read the new Eldar Codex, so I'll have to grant you that last point. The whole hyperspace thing is quite new to 40k. I think it's a ward-word.

It was in the 4e Eldar codex too, same quote and page as the one in the 6E codex, maybe the term goes back earlier but it at least predates Ward's Codex break out.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
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Fall of Orpheus is not "pre Matt Ward Necrons". Matt Ward wrote the Necron codex upon which the information in Fall of Orpheus was based.

That's why Night Scythes and Lychguard and the origins of the Flayer Virus being a destroyed C'tan are mentioned in it.

Just in case you need actual numbers;

Codex: Necrons (5th edition) first published in 2011 by Games Workshop
IA12, Fall of Orpheus first published in 2013 by Games Workshop

The warp/webway being limited to the galaxy makes no sense. The Warp is not "created from the emotions of living creatures", it is corrupted by them. That's why the Sensei can use "untainted warp energy" - they can draw on warp energy that's not being affected by emotions or souls and are at no risk of suffering Perils. If warp energy was created by living things, that would not be possible.

Phase Drives and Inertialess Drives are not the same thing. Phase Technology allows the Necrons to move through solid objects. Inertialess Drive technology allows the Necrons to stop dead in space and accelerate to relativity-breaking speeds. Completely different things.

Huh, you're right, why did I think it was pre? I'm havin an off day, wrong about a lot of things... In any case, the fluff reads like its old school Necrons rather than the new (with some of the newer elements of their backstory pigeon-holed in there), so I would be wary of following it too closely.

Phase Drives and Inertialess Drives are not the same thing. Phase Technology allows the Necrons to move through solid objects. Inertialess Drive technology allows the Necrons to stop dead in space and accelerate to relativity-breaking speeds. Completely different things.

Stop being a literalist, Same difference means the name of the drive is irrelevant to the discussion, we both understood what I was talking about regardless of whether or not I had the name correct, and we both understand what the function is. SAME. DIFFERENCE.

The warp/webway being limited to the galaxy makes no sense. The Warp is not "created from the emotions of living creatures", it is corrupted by them. That's why the Sensei can use "untainted warp energy" - they can draw on warp energy that's not being affected by emotions or souls and are at no risk of suffering Perils. If warp energy was created by living things, that would not be possible.

lol, since when does the fluff maintain consistency or sense? Theres a line in a book somewhere about an Imperial Cruiser sporting fifteen tetrajoule las batteries... assuming that the number fifteen refers to the joules and not the quantity of batteries in questions, you're talking about 60 joule lascannons, which is probably about as much energy as you use at a light jog... unless they meant terajoule, which is decidedly not the same as a tetrajoule.

Regardless of what you want to believe, its published that the warp ends at the borders of the galaxy (or at the very least that the warp is impassible beyond the galaxy) due to the fact that the emotional/spiritual energy present within the galaxy is not present outside of it, thus preventing the warp currents upon which ships rely on to travel from existing. I believe in the fluff about Lord Solar Macharius there is a bit about him wanting to continue his crusade beyond the borders of the galaxy but being unable to due to the warps impassible nature beyond the galactic border. Also, food for thought, if the Warp is omnipresent, then that means the Chaos Gods/daemons would also be omnipresent, and thus would be aware of and involved with sentient lifeforms outside of our own galaxy, yet we have the Tyranids - an extragalactic threat - appearing in the Milky Way, and as per the new Tyranid codex the forces of Chaos are entirely unfamiliar with them.

"The trouble with being omnipresent and omnipotent, is that you can only ever be one at a time" - quote from a HH book.

The Warp is definitely everywhere. It's a desperate dimension where space and time have no meaning.


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Emotions do pollute Warp space. Previous books have stated it was a calm dimension until the psychic powers of various species begun to spin it into a violent storm. Which in turn really REALLY annoyed the Daemons and other inhabitants. Hence why they hate all life.

If its calm, then you can't move through it, as warp travel relies on 'tides' and 'currents' (which are created from the aforementioned emotional/spiritual energies of various living things).

Warp travel is affected by tides and currents, but no more relies on it than modern sailors rely on ocean currents.

That is to say, they help (sometimes help a lot), but a ship is not dead in the water without them.

Just thought I'd mention a few things..


First, on the C'tan and Gods... They are gods in the 'traditional' sense, not in the 40k sense. In both the old and current codex they are energy-based lifeforms, another form of Alien. They came to the necrons 'like gods', i.e. the were pretending to be gods or seemed to be gods. The are NOT gods like Slaanesh, Khorne, or hell, even Gork, Mork, Khaine and all the other gods.



The warp IS anathema to the C'Tan. It's mentioned to be several times in many sources. Of course, Ward may have screwed with that without me realising, but I haven't seen anything to contradict that yet.



On Dolmen gates and Inertia-less drive: In the codex it is 'clear' that Necrons need the Webway. However many more current sources (from memory one of the IA books) mentions inertia-less drives still.

On the original topic, it is possible BUT only if the necrons have access to inertia-less drive. The Eldar may be able to create small, temporary webway portals but the necrons can't. Dolmen gates are the only way necrons can enter the webway, and the only way they can leave it. There are no Dolmen gates outside of the Milky Way, so no Inertia-less drives means no travel into the void
EDIT: also, the webway is impossible about the warp, so if you can't access the warp outside of the Milky Way, it's impossible to make a waebway portal there.


--On a side not this keyboard is really annoying to type with...