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2014/02/12 15:08:23
Subject: Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Never confuse "people" with the person you're talking to.
There are plenty of reasons, but at its base is that every person sees themselves as acting more consistently with their own ideals then they are. It's human nature.
I've learned to never try to argue with a person about what their ideals really are. Ideals are like compliments or appetizers: just accept them, without arguing or questioning.
2014/02/12 15:14:53
Subject: Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
I view my self as a Federalist, an advocate of Federal power, reach and governance.
I would not deny a man call himself a Federalist because he has more intense or less views than I, or claim that just because one person who claims such a categorization believes a few things counter to that, that he is not a true federalist.
"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?""
2014/02/12 15:15:34
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Sam Sr., who described himself as "old-school," told the newspaper the idea of a gay player in the NFL bothers him, even when that person could be his own son.
He told the newspaper that late Hall of Famer Deacon Jones, the leader of the Rams' Fearsome Foursome who is credited with terming the word sack, "is turning over in his grave."
He told the newspaper, however, that he loves his son and hopes he makes it into the NFL.
Certainly ups the "human interest ante" a little bit for me.
2014/02/12 15:31:01
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Alexzandvar wrote: Seaward the only reason millennial are drawing towards it is that we live in an age were it's hip and cool to constantly whine and cry about the government and then not really do or suggest anything to fit it.
"Less government" is not a solution, it's just as ignorant to claim that the solution to ending world hunger is "more food" or the solution to building the best race car is "bigger engine"
No. The reason more millennials are turning to libertarian ideals is because many of them voted for President Obama and the hope/change machine in 2008 and got burned because they ended up electing Bush 2.0. When you vote and work to actively change the government, as you claim they don't do, in an election with potentially historic ramifications and practically none of the change comes to pass people tend to get jaded and upset. I for one am glad they took that and turned to something new, completely outside the unchangeable climate and culture of the two main parties. Less government is not the only solution put forth by libertarians.
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Alexzandvar wrote: I view my self as a Federalist, an advocate of Federal power, reach and governance.
I would not deny a man call himself a Federalist because he has more intense or less views than I, or claim that just because one person who claims such a categorization believes a few things counter to that, that he is not a true federalist.
The election of 1800 called...
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2014/02/12 15:50:29
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
He's actually a really good player. He might do well at Arizona.
Most projections I've seen has him going in the 3rd or 4th; although he is a bit undersized at 6'2" as a pure DE but moving him to a 3-4 OLB is a gamble as his coverage ability is completely unknown. Still 11.5 Sacks, 19 TFL is impressive in the SEC
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2014/02/12 16:03:48
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Most projections I've seen has him going in the 3rd or 4th; although he is a bit undersized at 6'2" as a pure DE but moving him to a 3-4 OLB is a gamble as his coverage ability is completely unknown. Still 11.5 Sacks, 19 TFL is impressive in the SEC
He actually did quite poorly playing OLB at the Senior Bowl, so what little knowledge of his coverage ability is not positive. Still, if his combine numbers are good someone will pick him up on the chance he can put on weight, or develop coverage skills.
The unfortunate thing about his announcement is that he has attracted more scouting attention than he would have otherwise received, dropping his draft ranking because he's in an awkward position, physically, given his skill set.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/02/12 16:24:17
Subject: Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Alexzandvar wrote: Seaward the only reason millennial are drawing towards it is that we live in an age were it's hip and cool to constantly whine and cry about the government and then not really do or suggest anything to fit it.
"Less government" is not a solution, it's just as ignorant to claim that the solution to ending world hunger is "more food" or the solution to building the best race car is "bigger engine"
No. The reason more millennials are turning to libertarian ideals is because many of them voted for President Obama and the hope/change machine in 2008 and got burned because they ended up electing Bush 2.0. When you vote and work to actively change the government, as you claim they don't do, in an election with potentially historic ramifications and practically none of the change comes to pass people tend to get jaded and upset. I for one am glad they took that and turned to something new, completely outside the unchangeable climate and culture of the two main parties. Less government is not the only solution put forth by libertarians.
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Alexzandvar wrote: I view my self as a Federalist, an advocate of Federal power, reach and governance.
I would not deny a man call himself a Federalist because he has more intense or less views than I, or claim that just because one person who claims such a categorization believes a few things counter to that, that he is not a true federalist.
The election of 1800 called...
The label of Federalist is one of ideals not one of party alignment, I like establishment Republicans like Nixon and Eisenhower, and Democratic Presidents like FDR and Lydon B. Johnson.
And I did not suggest that less government was the only thing Libertarians believed in, but that holding that idea at all in a general sense is hard to justify because its just such a widely damning statement to suggest that government cannot help people outside of "certain designated areas" which vary person to person it seems.
And I addressed that bitterness you seem to hold yourself, that it is hip and cool with the kids to be against government because Obama isn't the second coming of democratic christ, like they believed in their wide eyed naivety.
If you are a Libertarian not because you find your deals in line with other libertarians but because you feel that a knee jerk reaction to one president getting elected on a platform he wasn't sure he could deliver on is needed then you are in for a rough ride come the next few presidential cycles.
"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?""
2014/02/12 16:25:06
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Most projections I've seen has him going in the 3rd or 4th; although he is a bit undersized at 6'2" as a pure DE but moving him to a 3-4 OLB is a gamble as his coverage ability is completely unknown. Still 11.5 Sacks, 19 TFL is impressive in the SEC
He actually did quite poorly playing OLB at the Senior Bowl, so what little knowledge of his coverage ability is not positive. Still, if his combine numbers are good someone will pick him up on the chance he can put on weight, or develop coverage skills.
The unfortunate thing about his announcement is that he has attracted more scouting attention than he would have otherwise received, dropping his draft ranking because he's in an awkward position, physically, given his skill set.
OTOH, he may have set himself up to be selected by a team that values his actual skills as a pass rusher. If he's playing the long game, a career as a passing downs DE and special teams guy can last a long time, especially at third day pick money.
From what I've read, I think he'd do better as a dedicated backup/platoon member, rather then a starter. 10 years of backup money is better then a few years of mid round draft pick money. Then, if he has an explosive year, he can sign to a team based on his performance.
Also, teams that need backups as opposed to starters tend to be better run teams, with a better team culture, which is something that he needs. He'd probably do better as a backup in Seattle, New England, or San Fran then as a starter in Jacksonville.
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2014/02/12 16:33:28
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Most projections I've seen has him going in the 3rd or 4th; although he is a bit undersized at 6'2" as a pure DE but moving him to a 3-4 OLB is a gamble as his coverage ability is completely unknown. Still 11.5 Sacks, 19 TFL is impressive in the SEC
He actually did quite poorly playing OLB at the Senior Bowl, so what little knowledge of his coverage ability is not positive. Still, if his combine numbers are good someone will pick him up on the chance he can put on weight, or develop coverage skills.
The unfortunate thing about his announcement is that he has attracted more scouting attention than he would have otherwise received, dropping his draft ranking because he's in an awkward position, physically, given his skill set.
OTOH, he may have set himself up to be selected by a team that values his actual skills as a pass rusher. If he's playing the long game, a career as a passing downs DE and special teams guy can last a long time, especially at third day pick money.
From what I've read, I think he'd do better as a dedicated backup/platoon member, rather then a starter. 10 years of backup money is better then a few years of mid round draft pick money. Then, if he has an explosive year, he can sign to a team based on his performance.
Also, teams that need backups as opposed to starters tend to be better run teams, with a better team culture, which is something that he needs. He'd probably do better as a backup in Seattle, New England, or San Fran then as a starter in Jacksonville.
Aw man... a backup on that 49er defense? That's be sick...
Also, there are a few Mizzou starters on that team as well.
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2014/02/12 16:52:22
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
He's actually a really good player. He might do well at Arizona.
Most projections I've seen has him going in the 3rd or 4th; although he is a bit undersized at 6'2" as a pure DE but moving him to a 3-4 OLB is a gamble as his coverage ability is completely unknown. Still 11.5 Sacks, 19 TFL is impressive in the SEC
Part of what made him so successful was Kony Ealy. Sam is fast, Ealy is massive. Teams doubled up on him and left Sam to used his ridiculous burst speed. If that sort of pairing can be replicated, or he can find a team that has some DE's but little depth and pop him in when up against scrambling Q's like Wilson and Kaepernick, I think he could be very successful.
I want Seattle to take him, but we've already got about thirty DE's.
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2014/02/12 17:12:08
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
Most projections I've seen has him going in the 3rd or 4th; although he is a bit undersized at 6'2" as a pure DE but moving him to a 3-4 OLB is a gamble as his coverage ability is completely unknown. Still 11.5 Sacks, 19 TFL is impressive in the SEC
The problem is that 9 of his sacks came against bad, bad teams in Arkansas State, Vandy, and Florida. I'd honestly be more concerned that he "only" had 48 tackles, and is far from the best DE in the SEC. Clowney, Nkemdiche, Rasco, are all probably better. I don't see why he can't transition to a James Harrison type in the NFL though.
Sadly, I think there are only 3-4 teams that can take the risk of drafting him, with the Seahawks, 49ers, And patriots heading that list. I'd have included my bengals on there because I think they have the locker room leadership to do so, but I'm not convinced very catholic cincinnati would be the right fit.
2014/02/12 17:44:26
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
I applaud him for pointing out the blatant hypocrisy that is rampant in sports. I'll go even further and say that every group of athletes I have been around has always had at least one, usually more, individual that was verbally and emotionally abusive to women. Why is that tolerated at all levels of sport and being homosexual is somehow taboo? Personally, I don't want to hear anything about anyone's sexual preferences or adventures regardless of whether or not it is heterosexual, homosexual, or something considered "deviant" by society.
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2014/02/12 21:14:57
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
One day, a candidate is going to start giving concrete examples of regulations, agencies, and laws that are actually hindering things, and propose specific solutions.
I'd be interested to see it.
Gary Johnson.
He's a good example, especially since Ron has always been seen as a "fringe" guy with some pretty loose ideas. Gary on the other hand was one of the most respected and well liked governors in recent history. And has real experience bringing libertarian ideology into real world government. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson
It really isn't hard to find out about the Libertarian party either. FWIW it is the third largest party in American politics.
Economically conservative, Socially liberal is the simplest explanation. I'm a card carrying member, been one my entire adult life.
To the OP:
I think it's great that he came out publicly on his terms. And that is the best reason to be interested in this story. I recognize the effect this has on the gay-rights movement, but I see this as an important example of a man taking control of a situation.
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2014/02/12 22:14:06
Subject: Re:Potentially the first openly gay NFL player
OTOH, he may have set himself up to be selected by a team that values his actual skills as a pass rusher. If he's playing the long game, a career as a passing downs DE and special teams guy can last a long time, especially at third day pick money.
Even as a passing downs DE you would want the guy to be solid in coverage in order to avoid telegraphing the play to the opposition, and being weak in coverage generally means being weak in all special teams that aren't block attempts. That said, he is clearly a great athlete and more than capable of learning the skills he needs in order to be successful.
But you're correct, teams with good programs would be the best fits for him both due to his statement and his need for development.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.