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I´m new to W40 and this is my 1st list. I already have some models assembled and painted (baal, razorbacks, speeder and libby) so I´d like to use them if possible. I also have a 2 tornado speeder and 2 attack bikes with MM. Thinking of 1500 and 1850 in the near future but for now I´d like to stick to 1000 points.

HQ
Librarian (Unleash rage, Blood lance, Power axe) 100

Elite
Furioso (frag cannon, heavy flamer, on Pod) 170

Troops
Assault squadx5 (meltagun, on razorback, LAS/PLAS) 165
Assault squadx5 (meltagun, on razorback, LAS/PLAS) 165
Assault squadx5 (meltagun, on razorback, LAS/PLAS) 165

Fast attack
Baal predator (TL Assault Cannon, Heavy bolter) 145
Land speeder (Typhoon, HB) 90
Total: 1000

C&C and thanks in advance.

Question? Where is the libby going? If he is going in a razorback, you should not worry about power axe. Plus, if you took a axe, the points should be higher.

The Baal Predator should have Flamestorm. It can Scout 12" then move 12". That will cover the 24" gap between deployment. Then you can unleash awesomeness.

I think that Librarians come with force weapons, there is no point difference. Yeah, libby is going on razorback.

I really like dakka pred but I guess flamestorm would do it great as well on this list. But I have no experience so I cant really say.

From experience flamestorm is better.

I think the flamestorm is a bit of a disaster myself, as it makes the tank AV 11 on the approach.

^Second this.

About the list itself, looks great. Typhoon Speeder is a bit out of place, so maybe replace it with maybe Snipah Scouts?
Or drop points here and there to get another Baal Pred.

What do you mean by the tank being AV 11?

 Glorywarrior wrote:
What do you mean by the tank being AV 11?

Side Armour = 11. As you move towards the enemy line, there will be less stuff shooting at the Pred's front armour and more things shooting at its side armour.

Ah, I see... well, then you can outflank it if you are worried about that. I think that flamestorm just really can wreck stuff. AV 11 is going to be bad, but really if the pred stands back, then there will be always be things shooting at the side. :( from experience. Might as well take the better gun! well, at least I think the flamestorm in better IMHO.

 soomemafia wrote:
^Second this.

About the list itself, looks great. Typhoon Speeder is a bit out of place, so maybe replace it with maybe Snipah Scouts?
Or drop points here and there to get another Baal Pred.

I'm curious, why would speeder be out of place? Yeah, its an uncommon unit but I think that typhoon LS is quite confusing while its not a prior targer like melta speeders would be, it can actually hurt if not taken into account and it usually does the job for its points (at least what I've read).

I was thinking of 2 MM attack bikes as well by dropping a meltagun from one assault squad. Are sniper scouts good enough? as you said I could take five of them with cloaks for 90 points exactly. Another baal would mean dropping an assault squad or meltaguns for a no sponsoon baal. BA are godamn expensive ^

Yeah I agree with a lot of what previous posters have said. The land speeder will get shot up very easily by itself and the scout snipers would be a better use of points. Stick them on you home objective and they can pick of people coming towards them. Also consider taking shield of sanguinius on your librarian to protect those razorbacks. I agree with the auto cannon heavy bolters on the pred, because it is easier to stay out of melta range and shoot from a distance. Also why frag cannon on the furioso? You are gonna want both those blood claws for close combat. Otherwise good list, I like the las/plas razorbacks a lot

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
^Second this.

About the list itself, looks great. Typhoon Speeder is a bit out of place, so maybe replace it with maybe Snipah Scouts?
Or drop points here and there to get another Baal Pred.

I'm curious, why would speeder be out of place? Yeah, its an uncommon unit but I think that typhoon LS is quite confusing while its not a prior targer like melta speeders would be, it can actually hurt if not taken into account and it usually does the job for its points (at least what I've read).

I was thinking of 2 MM attack bikes as well by dropping a meltagun from one assault squad. Are sniper scouts good enough? as you said I could take five of them with cloaks for 90 points exactly. Another baal would mean dropping an assault squad or meltaguns for a no sponsoon baal. BA are godamn expensive ^

Alone it's an easy target.
But going with two AB's isn't a bad option at all.

If you are going to drop a Meltagun, change the remaining one for two Flamers.


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Praetoricron wrote:
Yeah I agree with a lot of what previous posters have said. The land speeder will get shot up very easily by itself and the scout snipers would be a better use of points. Stick them on you home objective and they can pick of people coming towards them. Also consider taking shield of sanguinius on your librarian to protect those razorbacks. I agree with the auto cannon heavy bolters on the pred, because it is easier to stay out of melta range and shoot from a distance. Also why frag cannon on the furioso? You are gonna want both those blood claws for close combat. Otherwise good list, I like the las/plas razorbacks a lot

Because Fragioso is propably the best unit of BA codex?
Seriously, it's a First Blood machine.

If you have ever regretted taking it, you're doing it wrong.

I know that it is a pretty good weapon, but I feel if you are just going to sit back and shoot with it, it isn't worth the points. That extra blood claw is really useful in close combat, which is where the furioso really shines.

Praetoricron wrote:
I know that it is a pretty good weapon, but I feel if you are just going to sit back and shoot with it, it isn't worth the points. That extra blood claw is really useful in close combat, which is where the furioso really shines.

The point isn't to avoid CC. The point is that on a first turn drop the Furioso can't charge. It can only shoot out of a drop pod. With a Heavy Flamer on one fist and exchanging the other fist for a frag cannon you can usually eliminate an entire unit of something. In Purge the Alien, that's two victory points on the first turn of the game. Four if the warlord is in the unit and you manage to kill him. In any other game mode it can completely eliminate a scoring unit, allowing you to take more objectives. And everyone always underestimates the fragnought. You couldn't hide from it even if you did know what it was capable of as it fires three templates, which ignore cover. On turn two, once you've wiped out a unit of infantry, you can try to glance a tank with your three templates and then charge it with your one bloodfist swinging at Str10 AP2 against rear armor.

Also Blenders are now Str 6 AP3 so terminators, Riptides and Wraithknights and lots of special characters will not blend.

I'm of the opinion that Blenders should be used on a DC dread as they go up to Str 7 in the first round and he gets a ton more initial attacks, actually making them useful against tanks as well as you can just glance it to death by hitting it's rear armor in CC. A magna grapple on a DC dread gives it the ability to blend huge units of infantry and any tank that's not a land raider.

Glorywarrior wrote:Question? Where is the libby going? If he is going in a razorback, you should not worry about power axe. Plus, if you took a axe, the points should be higher.

Libby come with a free force weapon; sword, axe, maul or lance is same cost (as far as i know)

Glorywarrior wrote:
The Baal Predator should have Flamestorm. It can Scout 12" then move 12". That will cover the 24" gap between deployment. Then you can unleash awesomeness.

Sorry, maybe i did ask them on another post... but... why scout 12"?
i think scout redeployement move is always 6"... what i'm missing?

bocatt wrote:On turn two, once you've wiped out a unit of infantry, you can try to glance a tank with your three templates and then charge it with your one bloodfist swinging at Str10 AP2 against rear armor.

Str10? is'nt furioso S6?

Blood fist doubles it which gives you Str12 but all attributes top out at 10 so it becomes S10 and by virtue of being a powerfist has AP2. Think of a DCCW as a powerfist without the "unwieldy" special rule.

This is why even if you COULD take one Blood Talon, you wouldn't want to as you would swing at base strength with AP3
Think of Blood Talons as lightning claws with the "blender" ability instead of shred.

I believe that you can move a normal move and for a tank that can be 12"... especially a fast tank.

bocatt wrote:Blood fist doubles it which gives you Str12 but all attributes top out at 10 so it becomes S10 and by virtue of being a powerfist has AP2. Think of a DCCW as a powerfist without the "unwieldy" special rule.

ooooooooohhhhh
that...
that's...
that's... AWESOME!
i alwasy thought of it like "basic close combat weapon"... that's COOOOOLLL!!!!!
woot

yeah that's the reason why it's not advisable to use a single talon...
i will need magnet to swap weapons on my furioso then u_u

Glorywarrior wrote:I believe that you can move a normal move and for a tank that can be 12"... especially a fast tank.

ok, yeah... i missed the second paragraph...
" If the unit is Infantry, Artillery a Walker or a Monstrous Crearure, each model can redeploy anywhere entirely within 6" of its current position. If it is any other unit tlpe, each model can instead redeploy anywhere entirely within 12" of its current position."

very very very good thing!!

Quite awesome!